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Quote from: savetheFORUM on January 05, 2022, 02:45:47 PM

Surely this could be better choice for Indian future because now it's time for BCCI to do some hard decisions for breaking this player power which is never been ideal in any team specially like India where you have some good number of natural talented players those can handle pressures in well manner.

I feel now it's time for having good role model like Australia where they are giving chance to talented players instead of checking Sr or Jr method, this will bring more aggression and good changes for long run. KL Rahul is having some time in South Africa, so if they go ahead with him in short formats for some time it's going to be very good.

Just when KL Rahul was looking to get captaincy of Test, India for the very first time lost a Test at the Wanderers in Johannesburg. Without Kohli India bowled out for 202 and it seems like Kohli is not that easy to be replaced atleast for year or two. He will come back harder and on his own terms this time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 10:41:57 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 04, 2022, 08:02:56 AM

IMO Rohit is temporary fix until they fine tune young guys like KL Rahul or Shreyas, if we look at ongoing SA tour, it looks like that for long term BCCI is looking at KL Rahul as next Indian captain. Doesn't matter if India wins next ICC tournament (White ball) or not under Rohit captaincy as he's already 34.

I would prefer Shreyas over Rahul. As the captain of Delhi Capitals, I believe that Shreyas has performed much better than what Rahul did with Punjab Kings. And regarding Rohit, I agree with JSRAW. He's already 34 years old and may have only 2-3 years of prime cricket left with him. And given his lack of fitness and a lack of will to manage his obesity, actually I would be surprised if he even lasts for that long. Advantage for Rahul is that he is more or less a permanent member of the playing XI, while Shreyas hasn't yet reached that level.

Shreyas more or less fixed member of limited overs squad for quite some time but making inroads into playing XI is another ball game and this is true for KL Rahul also because there is enough competition for openers slot. Having said that Shreyas would be my first choice too.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 04, 2022, 08:02:56 AM

IMO Rohit is temporary fix until they fine tune young guys like KL Rahul or Shreyas, if we look at ongoing SA tour, it looks like that for long term BCCI is looking at KL Rahul as next Indian captain. Doesn't matter if India wins next ICC tournament (White ball) or not under Rohit captaincy as he's already 34.

I would prefer Shreyas over Rahul. As the captain of Delhi Capitals, I believe that Shreyas has performed much better than what Rahul did with Punjab Kings. And regarding Rohit, I agree with JSRAW. He's already 34 years old and may have only 2-3 years of prime cricket left with him. And given his lack of fitness and a lack of will to manage his obesity, actually I would be surprised if he even lasts for that long. Advantage for Rahul is that he is more or less a permanent member of the playing XI, while Shreyas hasn't yet reached that level.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 04, 2022, 08:02:56 AM

Quote from: coinism on January 04, 2022, 05:23:43 AM

If Rohit fails to perform as captain then who else will lead team in ODI and T20? If Rohit fails then Indian team may be in chaos. Right now Indian team is not in a position to win any ICC tournament. Players these days are selected based on there performance in T20 leagues and series, that's primary reason why Indian cricket is going down.

IMO Rohit is temporary fix until they fine tune young guys like KL Rahul or Shreyas, if we look at ongoing SA tour, it looks like that for long term BCCI is looking at KL Rahul as next Indian captain. Doesn't matter if India wins next ICC tournament (White ball) or not under Rohit captaincy as he's already 34.

Surely this could be better choice for Indian future because now it's time for BCCI to do some hard decisions for breaking this player power which is never been ideal in any team specially like India where you have some good number of natural talented players those can handle pressures in well manner.

I feel now it's time for having good role model like Australia where they are giving chance to talented players instead of checking Sr or Jr method, this will bring more aggression and good changes for long run. KL Rahul is having some time in South Africa, so if they go ahead with him in short formats for some time it's going to be very good.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 04, 2022, 08:02:56 AM

IMO Rohit is temporary fix until they fine tune young guys like KL Rahul or Shreyas, if we look at ongoing SA tour, it looks like that for long term BCCI is looking at KL Rahul as next Indian captain. Doesn't matter if India wins next ICC tournament (White ball) or not under Rohit captaincy as he's already 34.

Give Rohit some time before making a final judgement against him. After just few matches we are concluding that he is just a temporary fix or wont be able to captain in the long run. He is 34 years right now and still have 2 to 3 years of cricket left. I am not a big supporter of Rohit, I am just saying if he is made Captain then let him do the captaincy with peaceful mind.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 04, 2022, 07:47:09 AM

@Sithara007 there’s no doubt that Kohli did have his favourite player’s, but it’s also pertinent to note that he made the team more aggressive and that made opponents fear team India, and this fear factor was there before, but under Kohli it went to the highest levels I have seen till date for the Indian cricket team. Furthermore Rohit is an experienced IPL captain, plus he has Dravid in his corner and given time these duo can reshape the Indian cricket team.

We cant compare IPL with T20I as they both have different dynamics. If IPL is that much worthy, India would not have failed so miserably in recent T20I WC. I think it will take sometimes before India will find a suitable replacement of Kohli in T20I and ODI. KL Rahul and Rohit are no doubt great batsman but I don't see much spark in them as captain.

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Quote from: coinism on January 04, 2022, 05:23:43 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 08:37:38 PM

I disagree with you on the captaincy of Kohli. It was a much needed step. Kohli brought in a lot of bias and nepotism, and even the coach was acting like his sidekick. The team selection was not fair (Ashiwn's case being the classic example). And the fact that India never won an ICC event under the leadership of Kohli speaks a lot. Winning useless bilateral tours is one thing, and lifting the trophy in ICC events is another. I don't think that Rohit or Rahul will be able to bring much change. I would rather have Shreyas or Rishabh as the captain.

If Rohit fails to perform as captain then who else will lead team in ODI and T20? If Rohit fails then Indian team may be in chaos. Right now Indian team is not in a position to win any ICC tournament. Players these days are selected based on there performance in T20 leagues and series, that's primary reason why Indian cricket is going down.

IMO Rohit is temporary fix until they fine tune young guys like KL Rahul or Shreyas, if we look at ongoing SA tour, it looks like that for long term BCCI is looking at KL Rahul as next Indian captain. Doesn't matter if India wins next ICC tournament (White ball) or not under Rohit captaincy as he's already 34.

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Quote from: coinism on January 04, 2022, 05:23:43 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 08:37:38 PM

I disagree with you on the captaincy of Kohli. It was a much needed step. Kohli brought in a lot of bias and nepotism, and even the coach was acting like his sidekick. The team selection was not fair (Ashiwn's case being the classic example). And the fact that India never won an ICC event under the leadership of Kohli speaks a lot. Winning useless bilateral tours is one thing, and lifting the trophy in ICC events is another. I don't think that Rohit or Rahul will be able to bring much change. I would rather have Shreyas or Rishabh as the captain.

If Rohit fails to perform as captain then who else will lead team in ODI and T20? If Rohit fails then Indian team may be in chaos. Right now Indian team is not in a position to win any ICC tournament. Players these days are selected based on there performance in T20 leagues and series, that's primary reason why Indian cricket is going down.

@Sithara007 there’s no doubt that Kohli did have his favourite player’s, but it’s also pertinent to note that he made the team more aggressive and that made opponents fear team India, and this fear factor was there before, but under Kohli it went to the highest levels I have seen till date for the Indian cricket team. Furthermore Rohit is an experienced IPL captain, plus he has Dravid in his corner and given time these duo can reshape the Indian cricket team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 08:37:38 PM

I disagree with you on the captaincy of Kohli. It was a much needed step. Kohli brought in a lot of bias and nepotism, and even the coach was acting like his sidekick. The team selection was not fair (Ashiwn's case being the classic example). And the fact that India never won an ICC event under the leadership of Kohli speaks a lot. Winning useless bilateral tours is one thing, and lifting the trophy in ICC events is another. I don't think that Rohit or Rahul will be able to bring much change. I would rather have Shreyas or Rishabh as the captain.

If Rohit fails to perform as captain then who else will lead team in ODI and T20? If Rohit fails then Indian team may be in chaos. Right now Indian team is not in a position to win any ICC tournament. Players these days are selected based on there performance in T20 leagues and series, that's primary reason why Indian cricket is going down.

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Quote from: og kush420 on January 02, 2022, 07:20:52 AM

You got it right, that match was the primary reason why Kohli was removed from ODI and T20 captaincy, which IMO is not a good thing. It was Indian media pride that costed them the match. They were very less prepared for the match, since they were of the view that they have played IPL here so it will be an easy match for them.

I disagree with you on the captaincy of Kohli. It was a much needed step. Kohli brought in a lot of bias and nepotism, and even the coach was acting like his sidekick. The team selection was not fair (Ashiwn's case being the classic example). And the fact that India never won an ICC event under the leadership of Kohli speaks a lot. Winning useless bilateral tours is one thing, and lifting the trophy in ICC events is another. I don't think that Rohit or Rahul will be able to bring much change. I would rather have Shreyas or Rishabh as the captain.

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Quote from: galambo on January 03, 2022, 12:23:07 PM

Quote from: og kush420 on January 01, 2022, 04:09:47 AM

Without giving it a second thought my best moment(s) are Ashes. Before start of the series everyone was predictig an easy win for England but its Australia who tuned the table. If I have to specify a moment then its Scott Boland spell in third test that thrashed England batting line up. Its perhaps best spell I have seen so far.

Current Ashes was no doubt full of surprises. Nobody predicted that England will be bowled out like that in first three test matches. Now the point is whether or not Australia will be able to whitewash England or not? In my view England will defiantly come back stronger and avoid whitewash.

nothing going in England way. Ben stokes is complete failure so far. there new opener haseeb is a complete failure. If bowlers do some job English batsman completely ruin there efforts. Australia will easily made it 5-0 very easily, with current squad there is little chance for England to win any match.

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Quote from: og kush420 on January 01, 2022, 04:09:47 AM

Without giving it a second thought my best moment(s) are Ashes. Before start of the series everyone was predictig an easy win for England but its Australia who tuned the table. If I have to specify a moment then its Scott Boland spell in third test that thrashed England batting line up. Its perhaps best spell I have seen so far.

Current Ashes was no doubt full of surprises. Nobody predicted that England will be bowled out like that in first three test matches. Now the point is whether or not Australia will be able to whitewash England or not? In my view England will defiantly come back stronger and avoid whitewash.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 31, 2021, 06:43:08 PM

The T20 World Cup was a huge surprise as the favorites before the tournament did not reach the next round and no one expected Australia to win the tournament and yet they won the cup.

Australians before this T20 WC have not taken T20 seriously there main focus is ODI and Test. That's primary reason why nobody was expecting Australia to win this WC. I think Australians are going to become strong team as they were in 1999, 2003 and 2007.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 01, 2022, 11:16:22 AM

2013 is the year in which India won its trophy. The match between India and Pakistan ended with an unexpected result. That showed the world about the strength of Pakistan team. Dhoni being the captain to win all format champions trophy. Virat Kohli had more than 60% winning, but wasn't able to win champions trophy. The team is much dependent on Virat Kohli.

I am still doubtful about Pakistan vs India game. India gave up without competing. The match is played in UAE which is known for his gambling market. Nobody was expecting such performance from both sides. Yes Dohni was the captain who won all titles under his captaincy. He is a legend player.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 01, 2022, 05:47:14 AM

Yeah.. no one really expected the Pakistani team to win the match in such one-sided manner, given the history of India vs Pakistan encounters in the ICC events. It was an utter humiliation for the Indian team and played a large part in the BCCI cutting down powers from Virat Kohli. Hopefully the change in captaincy and the relegation of Kohli would mean that the Indian team would perform better in the future ICC tournaments. BTW, when was the last time India won a ICC trophy? I don't even remember.

You got it right, that match was the primary reason why Kohli was removed from ODI and T20 captaincy, which IMO is not a good thing. It was Indian media pride that costed them the match. They were very less prepared for the match, since they were of the view that they have played IPL here so it will be an easy match for them.

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Mine was the 24 Oct 2021 match between India and Pakistan where Pakistan completely outclassed Indian team. Though I placed bet on India, since they are unbeaten in ICC WC against Pakistan I lost the bet unfortunately. Batting of Babar and Rizwan was lovely to see. Hope we will see such matches more in 2022 also.

Yeah.. no one really expected the Pakistani team to win the match in such one-sided manner, given the history of India vs Pakistan encounters in the ICC events. It was an utter humiliation for the Indian team and played a large part in the BCCI cutting down powers from Virat Kohli. Hopefully the change in captaincy and the relegation of Kohli would mean that the Indian team would perform better in the future ICC tournaments. BTW, when was the last time India won a ICC trophy? I don't even remember.

2013 is the year in which India won its trophy. The match between India and Pakistan ended with an unexpected result. That showed the world about the strength of Pakistan team. Dhoni being the captain to win all format champions trophy. Virat Kohli had more than 60% winning, but wasn't able to win champions trophy. The team is much dependent on Virat Kohli.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 01, 2022, 03:19:10 AM

Mine was the 24 Oct 2021 match between India and Pakistan where Pakistan completely outclassed Indian team. Though I placed bet on India, since they are unbeaten in ICC WC against Pakistan I lost the bet unfortunately. Batting of Babar and Rizwan was lovely to see. Hope we will see such matches more in 2022 also.

Yeah.. no one really expected the Pakistani team to win the match in such one-sided manner, given the history of India vs Pakistan encounters in the ICC events. It was an utter humiliation for the Indian team and played a large part in the BCCI cutting down powers from Virat Kohli. Hopefully the change in captaincy and the relegation of Kohli would mean that the Indian team would perform better in the future ICC tournaments. BTW, when was the last time India won a ICC trophy? I don't even remember.

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Quote from: Theones on December 30, 2021, 09:49:18 AM

So year 2021 is going to end in few hours and we have done with one more cricketing year. Can you share what's your best cricketing moment in 2021? I start with mine, I liked T20 WC the most this year and Aussies play throughout the tournament. My cricketing moment was Australia winning the T20 WC for the first time.

Without giving it a second thought my best moment(s) are Ashes. Before start of the series everyone was predictig an easy win for England but its Australia who tuned the table. If I have to specify a moment then its Scott Boland spell in third test that thrashed England batting line up. Its perhaps best spell I have seen so far.

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Quote from: Theones on December 30, 2021, 09:49:18 AM

So year 2021 is going to end in few hours and we have done with one more cricketing year. Can you share what's your best cricketing moment in 2021? I start with mine, I liked T20 WC the most this year and Aussies play throughout the tournament. My cricketing moment was Australia winning the T20 WC for the first time.

Mine was the 24 Oct 2021 match between India and Pakistan where Pakistan completely outclassed Indian team. Though I placed bet on India, since they are unbeaten in ICC WC against Pakistan I lost the bet unfortunately. Batting of Babar and Rizwan was lovely to see. Hope we will see such matches more in 2022 also.

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Quote from: Theones on December 30, 2021, 09:49:18 AM

So year 2021 is going to end in few hours and we have done with one more cricketing year. Can you share what's your best cricketing moment in 2021? I start with mine, I liked T20 WC the most this year and Aussies play throughout the tournament. My cricketing moment was Australia winning the T20 WC for the first time.

The T20 World Cup was a huge surprise as the favorites before the tournament did not reach the next round and no one expected Australia to win the tournament and yet they won the cup.

My favorite series were the Indian tour of Australia and after getting humiliated in the first match and even with the absence of Virat Kohli, India managed to win the series with a young team and no one expected that to happen and the Gabba fortress was history and then winning against England in England and the first match against South Africa.

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