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Quote from: JSRAW on December 05, 2021, 04:52:23 PM

Lol England recently got thrashed in 2 back to back series by Kiwis and Indians at their own backyard (Eng vs Ind series is not finished but India is leading 2-1, should have been 3-1 but rain saved the England in the first test). Not to mention Poms were humiliated in the India couple of months back.

In white ball cricket they do have ridiculous team, they can even field 2 different teams in limited overs but they seems doomed as far as test cricket is concern. Poor Root is doing all heavy lifting for them.

Well... I have to agree. England performs poorly in test cricket when compared to the limited overs variety. On the other hand, Australia is one level ahead, when it comes to the longer format. Their players always perform the best in test, and especially so during Ashes. While I feel that England is having the upper hand due to the recent form, they will be digging their own grave in case they ignore the challenge. And as you said, they are a bit overdependent on Joe Root, similar to the case when Australia depended on Smith during the previous series.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 05, 2021, 04:52:23 PM

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Ashes of late 90s and early 2000s were one sided, as English team was very much weak compared to then world champions Aus. Right now England are ahead of Aus and there is no way we will see one sided test series. Aus batting is highly dependent on Smith and warner. They both need to perform well to give Aus a chance.

Australia dominated every team for over a decade and this is the first time i am seeing England having a strong team which could give a challenge any team. The greatest Ashes i watches was the 2005 version where Australia was dominating and England being an underdog was able to win really close matches and even then Australia was not having Glenn McGrath in the team due to injury.

Lets see how the series would go and i am expecting a good series than a one sided trashing.

Lol England recently got thrashed in 2 back to back series by Kiwis and Indians at their own backyard (Eng vs Ind series is not finished but India is leading 2-1, should have been 3-1 but rain saved the England in the first test). Not to mention Poms were humiliated in the India couple of months back.

In white ball cricket they do have ridiculous team, they can even field 2 different teams in limited overs but they seems doomed as far as test cricket is concern. Poor Root is doing all heavy lifting for them.

In red ball cricket England has not done well since one year and their main issue is not having quality batsman in test side. Apart from Joe root and may be ben stokes no other batsman has been good consistently in the test side. Where as In one day international they have many destructive batsman but they should also groom some batsman for test cricket as well otherwise it will become very difficult for them.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 05, 2021, 09:48:47 AM

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Ashes of late 90s and early 2000s were one sided, as English team was very much weak compared to then world champions Aus. Right now England are ahead of Aus and there is no way we will see one sided test series. Aus batting is highly dependent on Smith and warner. They both need to perform well to give Aus a chance.

Australia dominated every team for over a decade and this is the first time i am seeing England having a strong team which could give a challenge any team. The greatest Ashes i watches was the 2005 version where Australia was dominating and England being an underdog was able to win really close matches and even then Australia was not having Glenn McGrath in the team due to injury.

Lets see how the series would go and i am expecting a good series than a one sided trashing.

Lol England recently got thrashed in 2 back to back series by Kiwis and Indians at their own backyard (Eng vs Ind series is not finished but India is leading 2-1, should have been 3-1 but rain saved the England in the first test). Not to mention Poms were humiliated in the India couple of months back.

In white ball cricket they do have ridiculous team, they can even field 2 different teams in limited overs but they seems doomed as far as test cricket is concern. Poor Root is doing all heavy lifting for them.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 05, 2021, 09:48:47 AM

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Ashes of late 90s and early 2000s were one sided, as English team was very much weak compared to then world champions Aus. Right now England are ahead of Aus and there is no way we will see one sided test series. Aus batting is highly dependent on Smith and warner. They both need to perform well to give Aus a chance.

Australia dominated every team for over a decade and this is the first time i am seeing England having a strong team which could give a challenge any team. The greatest Ashes i watches was the 2005 version where Australia was dominating and England being an underdog was able to win really close matches and even then Australia was not having Glenn McGrath in the team due to injury.

Lets see how the series would go and i am expecting a good series than a one sided trashing.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 05, 2021, 07:43:27 AM

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England always give there best in Ashes (regardless whether they have weak team or strong). This time as you said they have strong lineup, Australia chances are rear to me. I will defiantly place my bet on England since they have upper hand. Just as we were about to relax from covid19 its new variant surprise us. Chances are Omicron wont get success.

Ashes is like life or death battle for both the Australian and England cricket teams since time immemorial. And since Australia is having the home advantage, I am not yet ready to write them off. Their players (Smith, Starc, Warner.etc) may be in poor form, but I hope that they will regain form against their arch enemies. One sided series will do quite a lot of harm to the sport. And it is very rare for Ashes to end up in a one-sided manner, unlike the majority of the bilateral series nowadays.

Ashes of late 90s and early 2000s were one sided, as English team was very much weak compared to then world champions Aus. Right now England are ahead of Aus and there is no way we will see one sided test series. Aus batting is highly dependent on Smith and warner. They both need to perform well to give Aus a chance.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 04, 2021, 01:09:41 PM

England always give there best in Ashes (regardless whether they have weak team or strong). This time as you said they have strong lineup, Australia chances are rear to me. I will defiantly place my bet on England since they have upper hand. Just as we were about to relax from covid19 its new variant surprise us. Chances are Omicron wont get success.

Ashes is like life or death battle for both the Australian and England cricket teams since time immemorial. And since Australia is having the home advantage, I am not yet ready to write them off. Their players (Smith, Starc, Warner.etc) may be in poor form, but I hope that they will regain form against their arch enemies. One sided series will do quite a lot of harm to the sport. And it is very rare for Ashes to end up in a one-sided manner, unlike the majority of the bilateral series nowadays.

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I was looking for betting odds for Ashes and found this on Telegraph

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Australia to win @ 1/3 with bet365
Draw @ 7/1 with bet365
England to win @ 9/2 with bet365

According to Telegraph Australia are favorites because of there bowlers Fast bowler Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazelwood and Lyon. Has anyone come across betting odds for Ashes 2021?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 07:51:21 AM

During the last tournament, Australia was competent only because Smith/Labuschagne were in insane form. None of the other batsmen scored enough runs. This time Smith is not in good form and their bowlers are also not performing consistently. On the other hand, England players are in good form. Even their reserve players have proven the mettle. Australia may be having the home advantage, but my guess is that England is having the upper hand. Anyway, I just hope that Omicron won't play the spoilsport this time.

England always give there best in Ashes (regardless whether they have weak team or strong). This time as you said they have strong lineup, Australia chances are rear to me. I will defiantly place my bet on England since they have upper hand. Just as we were about to relax from covid19 its new variant surprise us. Chances are Omicron wont get success.

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Quote from: Theones on December 04, 2021, 05:36:12 AM

Enough with Tim issue, let's move ahead. Australia have good record in home but this time there are not much strong name in there squad. Moreover Woakes is also back in England squad. In top and middle order batting England have upper hand. Only in terms of bowling we can compare both Australia n England.

During the last tournament, Australia was competent only because Smith/Labuschagne were in insane form. None of the other batsmen scored enough runs. This time Smith is not in good form and their bowlers are also not performing consistently. On the other hand, England players are in good form. Even their reserve players have proven the mettle. Australia may be having the home advantage, but my guess is that England is having the upper hand. Anyway, I just hope that Omicron won't play the spoilsport this time.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on December 04, 2021, 03:53:44 AM

The Ashes are going to be played on Australia hence this kind of things will not bother them the most against the home advantage even in a big tournament.

Enough with Tim issue, let's move ahead. Australia have good record in home but this time there are not much strong name in there squad. Moreover Woakes is also back in England squad. In top and middle order batting England have upper hand. Only in terms of bowling we can compare both Australia n England.

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Quote from: galambo on December 04, 2021, 12:23:13 AM

In Australia laws are strict and equal for everyone, they take every single offense serious. I think CA hasn't asked Tim to step down, it's Tim own decision to step down and take some break. I do agree that there is no such law in cricket rule book that is related to player personal life.

When there is an official complaint, there that would not be a personal any more. But, Tim Paine was judged with minor offence hence the punishments were not severe which included not forcing him to rule out of playing cricket or not leading their side. If the punishments were severe then that would definitely include life time ban from playing cricket as well. So, as long as the full process of verdict is not coming out to limelight we cannot conclude anything on why and how.

I guess Tim Paine must need psychological counselling right now hence not playing for his country must be good decision for him and team. The Ashes are going to be played on Australia hence this kind of things will not bother them the most against the home advantage even in a big tournament.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 03, 2021, 10:18:11 PM

I disagree with you here. What Smith and Warner did was somethin that was against the laws and regulations from the ICC (still debatable). But Cricket Australia doesn't have any say on the private lives of the players. It is something that the law enforcement authorities need to deal with. Since when cricket boards started to dictate the private lives of their players? And I don't really think that he sent pics to random girls. He sent the pic to someone whom he was having an affair with. I don't know why she leaked those pics.

In Australia laws are strict and equal for everyone, they take every single offense serious. I think CA hasn't asked Tim to step down, it's Tim own decision to step down and take some break. I do agree that there is no such law in cricket rule book that is related to player personal life.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 03, 2021, 06:24:31 PM

Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any rules and regulation, but sending nude picture to random girls is an offense Cheesy

. Consider how harsh the punishment of Smith and Warner for scratching with sandpaper, sending nude picture is a worst offense Cheesy

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I disagree with you here. What Smith and Warner did was somethin that was against the laws and regulations from the ICC (still debatable). But Cricket Australia doesn't have any say on the private lives of the players. It is something that the law enforcement authorities need to deal with. Since when cricket boards started to dictate the private lives of their players? And I don't really think that he sent pics to random girls. He sent the pic to someone whom he was having an affair with. I don't know why she leaked those pics.

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^^ I think problem pops up when these cricket board follows the holier than thou approach. This incident was old and he was already facing some sort of trials back in 2017-18. CA was completely aware of that as it was internal investigation but they didn't care much as they were in mess too. Somehow it got leaked to the media and he was captain of Australian team, its considered a biggest job in Australia after the Prime Minister so CA wanted to save their skin in this controversy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 10:47:47 PM

I still feel bad about what Smith underwent. He lost one year of his international career, when his form was at the peak (Warner as well). But what Smith did was something that a lot of people do. Instead of using saliva or sweat, he used sandpaper.

I am not sure if everyone playing International cricket in the last decade would think about anything like that when hundreds of camera is capturing every move you make and if Smith and Warner was foolish enough to be not aware of that and if anyone did that they will be embarrassed like them. The punishment was excessive but CA is moving away from the aggressive game play for a long time and may be that is the reason they got the harsh punishment.

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 10:47:47 PM

The case with Tim Paine is entirely different. The ICC or Cricket Australia has nothing to do with this topic. It is his personal issue and he needs to deal with it. Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any of the ICC rules, as far as I know.

Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any rules and regulation, but sending nude picture to random girls is an offense Cheesy

. Consider how harsh the punishment of Smith and Warner for scratching with sandpaper, sending nude picture is a worst offense Cheesy

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As far as Tim career as cricketer is concerned, we cant say its over as we saw Smith making his way back to team after ban due to ball temping. This case is different as its personal matter of Tim and he didnt violated any rule of ICC nor cricket. May be in few days we will see investigations of this case that can help in making final conclusion.

I still feel bad about what Smith underwent. He lost one year of his international career, when his form was at the peak (Warner as well). But what Smith did was something that a lot of people do. Instead of using saliva or sweat, he used sandpaper. The case with Tim Paine is entirely different. The ICC or Cricket Australia has nothing to do with this topic. It is his personal issue and he needs to deal with it. Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any of the ICC rules, as far as I know.

Smith got the punishment for what he along with other players, thats very much justified. Tim was made captain after smith and got involved in another scandal also. Cummins need to be careful not involved himself in any type of scandal. Cummins is somewhat a new Test player, lets see what he do in Ashes.

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Meanwhile there is interesting news regarding 5th Ashes test match at Perth Australia.
"Perth has a 50-50 chance of hosting the fifth Ashes Test between Australia and England, Western Australia Cricket Association chief executive Christina Matthews said. The Ashes finale is scheduled for Jan. 14 at Perth Stadium but the fixture remains in doubt due to Western Australia (WA) state's strict COVID-19 policies. Source".
Its for the first time we are hearing such news. Its CA who can go like that, I dont think ICC will allow any small board to go ahead with test series with 50/50 chance.

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@Theones besides moral grounds advertisers also would have forced his hands as they wouldn’t like to cover a event while this matter is being in the public, either way it’s good he decided to step down and allowed the focus to remain on cricket.

Furthermore Cumming will have to lead by example, and he’ll have to absorb the pressure of leading the team in ashes, and let’s hope that he doesn’t end up in some scandal like the last two Australia captain’s did.

Cummins first encounter as captain will be in Ashes that is starting in few days. In early 2000, Aus were much ahead of England in every aspect of team because of presence of players like Gilchrist, Lee, McGrath etc so whoever is captain wont have to worry about. Right now things are changed and England is very strong team, so Cummins skills as captain will be tested.

If you see ICC test rankings, Australia after playing 17 test matches is at no 3 while England after playing 35 matches is at no 4. England clearly has played more tests compared to Australia. In terms of performance both England and Australia are equally competitor. We expect to see exciting cricket in these test matches.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 01, 2021, 07:56:01 AM

@Theones besides moral grounds advertisers also would have forced his hands as they wouldn’t like to cover a event while this matter is being in the public, either way it’s good he decided to step down and allowed the focus to remain on cricket.

Furthermore Cumming will have to lead by example, and he’ll have to absorb the pressure of leading the team in ashes, and let’s hope that he doesn’t end up in some scandal like the last two Australia captain’s did.

Cummins first encounter as captain will be in Ashes that is starting in few days. In early 2000, Aus were much ahead of England in every aspect of team because of presence of players like Gilchrist, Lee, McGrath etc so whoever is captain wont have to worry about. Right now things are changed and England is very strong team, so Cummins skills as captain will be tested.

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Quote from: Theones on November 30, 2021, 11:11:45 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 10:47:47 PM

I still feel bad about what Smith underwent. He lost one year of his international career, when his form was at the peak (Warner as well). But what Smith did was something that a lot of people do. Instead of using saliva or sweat, he used sandpaper. The case with Tim Paine is entirely different. The ICC or Cricket Australia has nothing to do with this topic. It is his personal issue and he needs to deal with it. Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any of the ICC rules, as far as I know.

Tim resignation from captaincy is on moral grounds not on breaking any code of conduct. He wan settle this issue and of course his marriage life. Moving towards Australia cricket, Cummins is going to lead Australia in Aashes. Mostly fast bowlers are not made captains but we have seen some brilliant fast bowlers captain like kapil dev, imran khan, wash. Hope he is one more in the list.

@Theones besides moral grounds advertisers also would have forced his hands as they wouldn’t like to cover a event while this matter is being in the public, either way it’s good he decided to step down and allowed the focus to remain on cricket.

Furthermore Cumming will have to lead by example, and he’ll have to absorb the pressure of leading the team in ashes, and let’s hope that he doesn’t end up in some scandal like the last two Australia captain’s did.

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