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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 10:47:47 PM

I still feel bad about what Smith underwent. He lost one year of his international career, when his form was at the peak (Warner as well). But what Smith did was something that a lot of people do. Instead of using saliva or sweat, he used sandpaper. The case with Tim Paine is entirely different. The ICC or Cricket Australia has nothing to do with this topic. It is his personal issue and he needs to deal with it. Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any of the ICC rules, as far as I know.

Tim resignation from captaincy is on moral grounds not on breaking any code of conduct. He wan settle this issue and of course his marriage life. Moving towards Australia cricket, Cummins is going to lead Australia in Aashes. Mostly fast bowlers are not made captains but we have seen some brilliant fast bowlers captain like kapil dev, imran khan, wash. Hope he is one more in the list.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 29, 2021, 01:40:25 PM

As far as Tim career as cricketer is concerned, we cant say its over as we saw Smith making his way back to team after ban due to ball temping. This case is different as its personal matter of Tim and he didnt violated any rule of ICC nor cricket. May be in few days we will see investigations of this case that can help in making final conclusion.

I still feel bad about what Smith underwent. He lost one year of his international career, when his form was at the peak (Warner as well). But what Smith did was something that a lot of people do. Instead of using saliva or sweat, he used sandpaper. The case with Tim Paine is entirely different. The ICC or Cricket Australia has nothing to do with this topic. It is his personal issue and he needs to deal with it. Having an affair outside marriage is not breaking any of the ICC rules, as far as I know.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:56:24 PM

I don't know what on earth made this married man lure towards a 47 years old woman. He just destroyed his cricket career with these non-sense messages. In this article its written then woman complained about this issue in 2017 before resigning from her job but nobody paid any attention to her complain. Now all of sudden this issue popped up and seems like she will get justice this time.

I don't know what made her complain. From the chats, it looks as if what happened between these two was 100% consensual. But that doesn't mean Tim Paine is innocent. He is a married man, and should have kept away from these antics. Now he can't complain that she honey trapped him. If he had remained loyal to his wife, then none of this would have ever happened. Anyway, at 37 years, his career is all but over. May be he should take a 1-2 years break and after that he may get some administrative position with the Tasmanian cricket board.

As far as Tim career as cricketer is concerned, we cant say its over as we saw Smith making his way back to team after ban due to ball temping. This case is different as its personal matter of Tim and he didnt violated any rule of ICC nor cricket. May be in few days we will see investigations of this case that can help in making final conclusion.

I dont think it will br as easy to make a come back for tim paine as it was steve smith. The first main thing is the age factor steve smith was pretty young but tim paine is not and steve smith and david warner were thr best to batters of the australian team so there was non chance that they get ignored but for tim paine i find it very difficult to make a comeback in the side.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:56:24 PM

I don't know what on earth made this married man lure towards a 47 years old woman. He just destroyed his cricket career with these non-sense messages. In this article its written then woman complained about this issue in 2017 before resigning from her job but nobody paid any attention to her complain. Now all of sudden this issue popped up and seems like she will get justice this time.

I don't know what made her complain. From the chats, it looks as if what happened between these two was 100% consensual. But that doesn't mean Tim Paine is innocent. He is a married man, and should have kept away from these antics. Now he can't complain that she honey trapped him. If he had remained loyal to his wife, then none of this would have ever happened. Anyway, at 37 years, his career is all but over. May be he should take a 1-2 years break and after that he may get some administrative position with the Tasmanian cricket board.

As far as Tim career as cricketer is concerned, we cant say its over as we saw Smith making his way back to team after ban due to ball temping. This case is different as its personal matter of Tim and he didnt violated any rule of ICC nor cricket. May be in few days we will see investigations of this case that can help in making final conclusion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 28, 2021, 09:38:47 PM

I don't know what made her complain. From the chats, it looks as if what happened between these two was 100% consensual. But that doesn't mean Tim Paine is innocent. He is a married man, and should have kept away from these antics. Now he can't complain that she honey trapped him. If he had remained loyal to his wife, then none of this would have ever happened. Anyway, at 37 years, his career is all but over. May be he should take a 1-2 years break and after that he may get some administrative position with the Tasmanian cricket board.

Yup you can simply block a person if you don't like her/his texts very simple. But there are series of messages from Tim to that female which means she is replying to his message and has interest. Its Tim who has to face the consequences now. Even 1 to 2 years cricket is huge as he is included in team very late.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:56:24 PM

I don't know what on earth made this married man lure towards a 47 years old woman. He just destroyed his cricket career with these non-sense messages. In this article its written then woman complained about this issue in 2017 before resigning from her job but nobody paid any attention to her complain. Now all of sudden this issue popped up and seems like she will get justice this time.

I don't know what made her complain. From the chats, it looks as if what happened between these two was 100% consensual. But that doesn't mean Tim Paine is innocent. He is a married man, and should have kept away from these antics. Now he can't complain that she honey trapped him. If he had remained loyal to his wife, then none of this would have ever happened. Anyway, at 37 years, his career is all but over. May be he should take a 1-2 years break and after that he may get some administrative position with the Tasmanian cricket board.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:56:24 PM

I don't know what on earth made this married man lure towards a 47 years old woman. He just destroyed his cricket career with these non-sense messages. In this article its written then woman complained about this issue in 2017 before resigning from her job but nobody paid any attention to her complain. Now all of sudden this issue popped up and seems like she will get justice this time.

Age cannot be a factor here and I am happy at least now that woman got some relief but not sure what kind of compensation will be the right one for someone who quit their job after harassment. In this imbalanced world, even late justice are somehow cure pain after lots of struggle and sacrifices. I guess this case might not have got this much importance if Paine was not a skipper and just a player. Anyhow, I guess there will be no point of discussing about destroying Paine's career as he was convicted and hence must face that for the crime.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:56:24 PM

I don't know what on earth made this married man lure towards a 47 years old woman. He just destroyed his cricket career with these non-sense messages. In this article its written then woman complained about this issue in 2017 before resigning from her job but nobody paid any attention to her complain. Now all of sudden this issue popped up and seems like she will get justice this time.

I am yet to read about the case and i am not sure whey there were no active action against him about her complaint in 2017, even during the Me Too movement this should have come to light and that did not happen and now the Woke movement is active and they are looking to cancel each and everyone and they might have digged the history and Australia is also riding that wave. Lets see how it goes and and by sending a nude pic his career will be over.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 26, 2021, 10:10:09 PM

He's 37 years. A break at this point means an end to his international career. But no sympathy for him. He should have been aware of the consequences. The allegation was filed by 47-year old Renee Ferguson. I am not sure whether this was some sort of a honey trap. But in either case, Paine should have been more careful. This is not expected from someone who is married with kids.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/tim-paine-woman-at-centre-of-sexting-scandal-files-sexual-harassment-suit-against-cricket-tasmania/news-story/da4e78950434205bdbe7ab0400747152

I don't know what on earth made this married man lure towards a 47 years old woman. He just destroyed his cricket career with these non-sense messages. In this article its written then woman complained about this issue in 2017 before resigning from her job but nobody paid any attention to her complain. Now all of sudden this issue popped up and seems like she will get justice this time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 26, 2021, 10:10:09 PM

He's 37 years. A break at this point means an end to his international career. But no sympathy for him. He should have been aware of the consequences. The allegation was filed by 47-year old Renee Ferguson. I am not sure whether this was some sort of a honey trap. But in either case, Paine should have been more careful. This is not expected from someone who is married with kids.

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Mr Paine then sent an image of his penis with the caption, “True, so f***ed,” in reference to the messages becoming public.

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Paine responded: “Will you want to taste my ***? F*** me, I’m seriously hard.”

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Paine continued: “Can’t rest them when I’m this hard! Need to ease the tension … Finish me off with those lips then. (Wink emoji) #trust.”

Of course these are honey trap. He is sending such text since he was getting positive reply from the opposite side. Many married lives are destroyed because of such traps, recently there is another case of H Pandya also in news. Messages which you have shared clearly showed that they both are fully involved but now only Tim has to face the music.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 26, 2021, 12:37:33 AM

Tim Paine is stepping away from cricket for the time being in order to focus on his mental health after resigning from the Australia Test captaincy following the 'sexting' scandal. The decision was made based on Paine's mental health or because of his embarrassment? Well, I guess this late realization doesn't help anybody.

He's 37 years. A break at this point means an end to his international career. But no sympathy for him. He should have been aware of the consequences. The allegation was filed by 47-year old Renee Ferguson. I am not sure whether this was some sort of a honey trap. But in either case, Paine should have been more careful. This is not expected from someone who is married with kids.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/tim-paine-woman-at-centre-of-sexting-scandal-files-sexual-harassment-suit-against-cricket-tasmania/news-story/da4e78950434205bdbe7ab0400747152

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Mr Paine then sent an image of his penis with the caption, “True, so f***ed,” in reference to the messages becoming public.

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Paine responded: “Will you want to taste my ***? F*** me, I’m seriously hard.”

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Paine continued: “Can’t rest them when I’m this hard! Need to ease the tension … Finish me off with those lips then. (Wink emoji) #trust.”

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 25, 2021, 09:59:09 PM

Still I am not sure whether the allegation is 100% true. If that is the case, he should be given the strictest punishment possible. But the cautious attitude from him in smuggling the luxury watches surprised me. Krunal Pandya (his brother) was booked for the same offense three days before Hardik was caught and yet he had the courage to repeat the offense. BTW, Hardik was not retained by the Mumbai Indians for the next IPL. I guess he may be playing for the Ahmedabad franchise in 2022.

https://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/report-ipl-2022-mega-auction-latest-updates-list-of-players-retained-by-csk-mi-dc-rcb-kkr-dhoni-kohli-pant-rohit-2921113

With such attitude he must be axed from Indian team as well as from ipl. He belongs to class of players who can't digest fame and money. I don't think he will be able to find a seat in Indian team after Kohli is no more a captain. Its still a big feast for Pandya to have seat in 2022 ipl.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 26, 2021, 12:37:33 AM

Tim Paine is stepping away from cricket for the time being in order to focus on his mental health after resigning from the Australia Test captaincy following the 'sexting' scandal. The decision was made based on Paine's mental health or because of his embarrassment? Well, I guess this late realization doesn't help anybody.

Yes he is taking indefinite break from cricket after the scandal broke out. Ashes is very close but I don't think Tim absence will effect Australia performance. As they have very strong players in the lineup. Interesting fact is Cummin is first fast baller in 65 years to captain Australia.

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Tim Paine is stepping away from cricket for the time being in order to focus on his mental health after resigning from the Australia Test captaincy following the 'sexting' scandal. The decision was made based on Paine's mental health or because of his embarrassment? Well, I guess this late realization doesn't help anybody.

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Quote from: galambo on November 25, 2021, 07:53:33 AM

I'd you don't punish Pandya today, tomorrow other players will do the same thing. In South Asian countries, you can easily bypass law if you have power. Only weaker ones are given punishment. That's why these countries lag behind and are still underdeveloped. Rape allegation news on Pandya is gone as media is no more interested in covering that event. What an irony.

Still I am not sure whether the allegation is 100% true. If that is the case, he should be given the strictest punishment possible. But the cautious attitude from him in smuggling the luxury watches surprised me. Krunal Pandya (his brother) was booked for the same offense three days before Hardik was caught and yet he had the courage to repeat the offense. BTW, Hardik was not retained by the Mumbai Indians for the next IPL. I guess he may be playing for the Ahmedabad franchise in 2022.

https://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/report-ipl-2022-mega-auction-latest-updates-list-of-players-retained-by-csk-mi-dc-rcb-kkr-dhoni-kohli-pant-rohit-2921113

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Quote from: Juggy777 on November 25, 2021, 09:04:52 AM

@Sithara007 hasn’t the watch issue too disappeared from the media, or should we give him the benefit of the doubt that he did declare the value and the media hyped it up.

Furthermore as far as the rape allegations are concerned BCCI is silent, the police don’t have proof so no one can say he’s guilty till it’s proved he actually is.

The media will hype the case and once it is resolved they will not apologize for that nor they will update the narrative, it is a common them globally. May be they have declared the value and paid the tax, it is not a criminal issues if they are willing to pay tax and not smuggle things.

Regarding the rape allegation, i know one lady accused several high profile people from politicians to cricket players about raping her, it is possible that it could be a blackmailing strategy as well to settle money outside court.

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I live in India, and I have to say that what you have posted here is true. If you have money, then anything is possible. If Hardik did this in the United States, then he will be sentenced to a minimum of 6 months in prison. They are very strict about tax evasion. But in India, he can just pay a financial penalty and escape any other form of punishment. The rape allegation is much more serious. Now I just hope that it was just a baseless allegation and the investigators would declare him as not guilty.

I'd you don't punish Pandya today, tomorrow other players will do the same thing. In South Asian countries, you can easily bypass law if you have power. Only weaker ones are given punishment. That's why these countries lag behind and are still underdeveloped. Rape allegation news on Pandya is gone as media is no more interested in covering that event. What an irony.

@Sithara007 hasn’t the watch issue too disappeared from the media, or should we give him the benefit of the doubt that he did declare the value and the media hyped it up.

Furthermore as far as the rape allegations are concerned BCCI is silent, the police don’t have proof so no one can say he’s guilty till it’s proved he actually is.

Also BCCI is keen to draft Hardik for SA tour if he’s proved fit, not surprising at all and now all he needs to do is prove his fitness and despite his poor form he’ll be welcomed in the squad.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 23, 2021, 12:08:41 AM

I live in India, and I have to say that what you have posted here is true. If you have money, then anything is possible. If Hardik did this in the United States, then he will be sentenced to a minimum of 6 months in prison. They are very strict about tax evasion. But in India, he can just pay a financial penalty and escape any other form of punishment. The rape allegation is much more serious. Now I just hope that it was just a baseless allegation and the investigators would declare him as not guilty.

I'd you don't punish Pandya today, tomorrow other players will do the same thing. In South Asian countries, you can easily bypass law if you have power. Only weaker ones are given punishment. That's why these countries lag behind and are still underdeveloped. Rape allegation news on Pandya is gone as media is no more interested in covering that event. What an irony.

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Quote from: Theones on November 20, 2021, 11:53:19 AM

Boards like BCCI are much more concerned about there repute then rule of law. Already news of rape allegations on pandya are no more to be seen. Moreover there is no inquiry on from where pandya get such expensive watches. In countries like India its easy to bypass law if you have money.

I live in India, and I have to say that what you have posted here is true. If you have money, then anything is possible. If Hardik did this in the United States, then he will be sentenced to a minimum of 6 months in prison. They are very strict about tax evasion. But in India, he can just pay a financial penalty and escape any other form of punishment. The rape allegation is much more serious. Now I just hope that it was just a baseless allegation and the investigators would declare him as not guilty.

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Quote from: Theones on November 20, 2021, 11:53:19 AM

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Boards like BCCI are much more concerned about there repute then rule of law. Already news of rape allegations on pandya are no more to be seen. Moreover there is no inquiry on from where pandya get such expensive watches. In countries like India its easy to bypass law if you have money.

The molestation charges are recent right from one of the woman who has connections with the underworld, that is what i read from the news and now the expensive watches. I do not think the BCCI will intervene in situation like these. When Sachin Tendulkar faced the same issue in the past for getting a car home which was gifted to him, he was asked to pay the prize of the car as tax because the import tax is 100% and the government gave him the concession because it was a gift for his performance and i do not remember BCCI intervene in that situation.

This is also personal problems and if anyone is to pay the tax for the items, BCCI will not intervene and what is the reputation when the news is already public, does not make any sense.

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