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Quote from: WatChe on June 20, 2023, 02:23:47 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 19, 2023, 10:36:13 PM

The ICC is not going to care as long as they get these billions of USD in revenue from media rights auction. Pakistan is not a big market for them, and therefore they are not going to intervene in this issue. I would still say that the PCB got a good deal. All the other Asian boards (except Nepal) wanted Asia Cup to be completely shifted to another country, but in the end Pakistan got a handful of matches at home and a hybrid model. This will help the PCB to recover some revenue from the Asia Cup. And in this case, I don't think that Rameez would have got a better deal.

Rameez Raja had a clear stance in his last days that if India not willing to play in Pakistan then we wont play in India. Honestly everyone in Pakistan was expecting such lose stance from Sethi and present government. If Imran Khan was the PM, we would have seen very different Pakistani response.
Sethi is not a good advocate of Pakistan rather he has his own interests and insane mindset. Now the latest news is Sethi has resigned as PCB Chairman and now there will be new PCB chairmen from Zaka Ashraf and Mustafa Ramday. Zaka Ashraf is favourite as he hails from PPP who is alliance in current government.

@WatChe definitely Rameez would have gotten a better deal as he was a hard negotiator and probably the reason why he was immediately removed because under him PCB wouldn’t have budged for sure. Furthermore the current deal is pretty raw and definitely doesn’t do any justice to Pakistan and the only payback they can get is by skipping the World Cup and making ICC look foolish.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 16, 2023, 07:40:40 AM

Quote from: Tony116 on June 16, 2023, 04:18:46 AM

There are a lot of teams playing in the qualifiers. It would have been great if at least four teams qualified for the World Cup from this. They could easily do that because it is not a hard job to select 4/5 teams from the 10 that are playing.

But of course, ICC is not interested in giving these teams any chance and they are only interested in making sure that West Indies and Sri Lanka qualify for the World Cup because that is going to generate them better money compared to if some associate country qualifies.

The official explanation is that the media rights holders (Disney-Star) doesn't want smaller (i.e Associate) teams in the world cup. So the number of participants was reduced from 16 in the 2007 ODI World Cup to 10 as of now. But then the question remains. If only 10 nations are participating in this tournament (out of that 5 from the South Asian region), how can you call it as "World" cup? There should have been a middle way, which would make sure that some of the associate nations get to participate and also the media rights holders are happy. But as of now, not even all the full members (12) are included in the world cup.

Honestly, this feels like ICC's just pandering to the media rights holders rather than actually considering what's best for the sport. Yeah, sure, Disney-Star doesn't want small teams, so let's just kick 'em out of the park, right? But hey, why stop there? Why not just play India vs Pakistan or Australia vs England for a month and call it a World Cup?

This just seems like ICC's still stuck in the 2007 World Cup hangover. Hey, can someone get them a cold shower already?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 19, 2023, 10:36:13 PM

The ICC is not going to care as long as they get these billions of USD in revenue from media rights auction. Pakistan is not a big market for them, and therefore they are not going to intervene in this issue. I would still say that the PCB got a good deal. All the other Asian boards (except Nepal) wanted Asia Cup to be completely shifted to another country, but in the end Pakistan got a handful of matches at home and a hybrid model. This will help the PCB to recover some revenue from the Asia Cup. And in this case, I don't think that Rameez would have got a better deal.

Rameez Raja had a clear stance in his last days that if India not willing to play in Pakistan then we wont play in India. Honestly everyone in Pakistan was expecting such lose stance from Sethi and present government. If Imran Khan was the PM, we would have seen very different Pakistani response.
Sethi is not a good advocate of Pakistan rather he has his own interests and insane mindset. Now the latest news is Sethi has resigned as PCB Chairman and now there will be new PCB chairmen from Zaka Ashraf and Mustafa Ramday. Zaka Ashraf is favourite as he hails from PPP who is alliance in current government.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 17, 2023, 12:41:33 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2023, 04:45:38 PM

If given a chance then these folks would like to organize only marquee fixtures similar to India vs Pakistan or India vs Australia vs England for all 25 days and call it WC.

India not willing to play with Pakistan in Pakistan must be hurting for the ICC (if ICC were the independent body and not take directions from BCCI)
Just heard the confirmation of the news that Four Asia Cup matches in Pakistan; remaining nine in Sri Lanka Sad

I was hoping that Pakistan will show some resistance but since the former Pakistan captain Imran Khan's government was taken over by the establishment, it was expected that the new chairman of the PCB, the Puppet Najam Sethi would agree to whatever the Indian will say.

Had it been Ramiz Raja, the chairperson for PCB, and Imran Khan the prime minister of Pakistan, things would have been entirely different.

The ICC is not going to care as long as they get these billions of USD in revenue from media rights auction. Pakistan is not a big market for them, and therefore they are not going to intervene in this issue. I would still say that the PCB got a good deal. All the other Asian boards (except Nepal) wanted Asia Cup to be completely shifted to another country, but in the end Pakistan got a handful of matches at home and a hybrid model. This will help the PCB to recover some revenue from the Asia Cup. And in this case, I don't think that Rameez would have got a better deal.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 17, 2023, 12:41:33 PM

India not willing to play with Pakistan in Pakistan must be hurting for the ICC (if ICC were the independent body and not take directions from BCCI)

I doubt that. The Asia Cup isn't the World Cup or something which is why the ICC won't suffer any big losses due to these changes. Safety of the players supercedes anything else if you ask me which is why these changes are justified.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 17, 2023, 12:41:33 PM

Had it been Ramiz Raja, the chairperson for PCB, and Imran Khan the prime minister of Pakistan, things would have been entirely different.

Dream on. They are all just corrupt fools who value money over everything else.

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Quote from: GigaBit on June 17, 2023, 04:40:46 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

Two days to go for the start of the 2023 ODI Cricket World Cup Qualifier. The grouping is as follows:

My prediction is that the following teams would advance to the super-6 stage:
Group A: Zimbabwe, Nepal and West Indies
Group B: Ireland, Scotland and Sri Lanka

What happens in Super-6 is difficult to predict, for now.

I expect 2023 ODI Cricket World Cup Qualifier matches to be very competitive before the World Cup. I will also support the top 3 teams out of the five from Group A among them Super 6 is more likely to be present. These teams are Zimbabwe, Nepal and West Indies but I have a doubt in Group B where Sri Lanka and Ireland most probably qualify but I am a bit skeptical about who to put ahead of the other 3 teams. Because anyone from Oman, Scotland and United Arab Emirates can rise up from this World Cup Qualifier. When there is such uncertainty, those matches will be enjoyable.

Don't want to see another unexpected result like T20I World Cup. As a cricket lover, it was painful to see West Indies being eliminated from the World Cup. So I want West Indies and Sri Lanka to qualify in this one day World Cup.
I am a fan of Sri Lanka cricket team, I definitely want Sri Lanka to play in the main stage of the World Cup. But going to the main stage doesn't seem to be easy for Sri Lanka, let's see if they can make a strong comeback or not.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2023, 04:45:38 PM

If given a chance then these folks would like to organize only marquee fixtures similar to India vs Pakistan or India vs Australia vs England for all 25 days and call it WC.

India not willing to play with Pakistan in Pakistan must be hurting for the ICC (if ICC were the independent body and not take directions from BCCI)
Just heard the confirmation of the news that Four Asia Cup matches in Pakistan; remaining nine in Sri Lanka Sad

I was hoping that Pakistan will show some resistance but since the former Pakistan captain Imran Khan's government was taken over by the establishment, it was expected that the new chairman of the PCB, the Puppet Najam Sethi would agree to whatever the Indian will say.

Had it been Ramiz Raja, the chairperson for PCB, and Imran Khan the prime minister of Pakistan, things would have been entirely different.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

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This sort of qualifier round tells the story of how badly ICC operates in general and is not interested in spreading the game.

All of them or at least 6 teams should've been qualified for the WC but only 2 teams will move into main groups. Ideally, every team should've played the qualifiers.

Sadly in last few years we have no good administrator who love this game and bring good change for the improvement of this game and also have good strategy which helps this game for having the good number of participants which is surely not good right now we have few countries which are capable of having quality teams and mostly others are lacking of experience and funds which are not helping them for increasing quality and performance now they are reducing participants in world cup which is also not positive thing with going for the Olympics is also not sure from this all I understand we are still living 2 or 3 decades behind this current time and have no positive chances in coming years as well even we have good interest in this game from many African and Asian countries which is good for the game.

"Administrator who loves the game" looks like a myth to me now.

Before there were some arguments about former players sitting at the main table would help the game but look at Ganguly and Rambo's gig with the BCCI and PCB respectively.

Both of them were good cricketers and in general, had the reputation of a good cricketing mind but the kind of drama these guys created, their stint was pure shitshow. The same argument could be made about ICC's chair too.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

Two days to go for the start of the 2023 ODI Cricket World Cup Qualifier. The grouping is as follows:

My prediction is that the following teams would advance to the super-6 stage:
Group A: Zimbabwe, Nepal and West Indies
Group B: Ireland, Scotland and Sri Lanka

What happens in Super-6 is difficult to predict, for now.

I expect 2023 ODI Cricket World Cup Qualifier matches to be very competitive before the World Cup. I will also support the top 3 teams out of the five from Group A among them Super 6 is more likely to be present. These teams are Zimbabwe, Nepal and West Indies but I have a doubt in Group B where Sri Lanka and Ireland most probably qualify but I am a bit skeptical about who to put ahead of the other 3 teams. Because anyone from Oman, Scotland and United Arab Emirates can rise up from this World Cup Qualifier. When there is such uncertainty, those matches will be enjoyable.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2023, 02:29:03 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

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This sort of qualifier round tells the story of how badly ICC operates in general and is not interested in spreading the game.

All of them or at least 6 teams should've been qualified for the WC but only 2 teams will move into main groups. Ideally, every team should've played the qualifiers.

Sadly in last few years we have no good administrator who love this game and bring good change for the improvement of this game and also have good strategy which helps this game for having the good number of participants which is surely not good right now we have few countries which are capable of having quality teams and mostly others are lacking of experience and funds which are not helping them for increasing quality and performance now they are reducing participants in world cup which is also not positive thing with going for the Olympics is also not sure from this all I understand we are still living 2 or 3 decades behind this current time and have no positive chances in coming years as well even we have good interest in this game from many African and Asian countries which is good for the game.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on June 16, 2023, 11:28:23 PM

Currently there are 104 or 105 countries which are member of this council, but sadly we have another negative aspect which is we have only 20 to 25 countries which are having native players and all others are depended on adopted countries which is never been good thing for the game because we have no other game which have things like this so if ICC wants to improve this game and quality then surely needs few changes and positive rules which bring good changes as well.

As they need to have rule only countries allowed in World cup which have nearly 6 or 7 native players in their playing team, and also they need to help few countries for having better facilities for the game as well, but sadly they never give focus on this all and just trying to increase their market into the USA and Middle East which are rich countries but still having funds from ICC due to personal likes and dislikes and countries like Zimbabwe, Kenya and Nepal are suffering badly.

I absolutely agree. There should be a rule that you need to have at least seven players in the team which have the citizenship of your country. Otherwise, they are going to just keep making the national team with foreign players. That is also going to be a big barrier for associate nations who actually have native players on the team.

The teams which are made up of native players are not going to be very motivated to play cricket if they are just losing against a team that is not even an actual national team. I know that it is going to be a bad rule to have at the start. But the improvement of cricket is going to be genuine after that.

Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2023, 04:45:38 PM

If given a chance then these folks would like to organize only marquee fixtures similar to India vs Pakistan or India vs Australia vs England for all 25 days and call it WC.

The debacle of the 2007 World Cup still haunts the broadcasters and ICC hence the monkey balancing.

But by doing this day out of just hurting the quality of the tournament. If they lose the worst because some associate countries beat top-level countries in the World Cup in the early stages, it would mean that the associate country is now going to take cricket seriously and invest more time and money into it. That is eventually going to get them more viewers than what they are doing right now. But that is something the top four do not want and the top four are the ones running the show

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Quote from: Tony116 on June 16, 2023, 11:46:38 AM

Shouldn’t it be like ICC is going to tell how the tournament is going to be played out to the media rights holders? Why is ICC the one on the back foot in this situation? ICC has 104 members right now. Which means 104 teams are playing cricket professionally. And you are telling me they cannot manage to get 15 teams in the World Cup?

And why not even the full members be included in the World Cup? They just fear that if the big teams get eliminated early in the tournament the viewership is going to go down. And that certainly does not suit the media rights holders. Basically, it’s cricket that is suffering because ICC trying to generate more money again.

Currently there are 104 or 105 countries which are member of this council, but sadly we have another negative aspect which is we have only 20 to 25 countries which are having native players and all others are depended on adopted countries which is never been good thing for the game because we have no other game which have things like this so if ICC wants to improve this game and quality then surely needs few changes and positive rules which bring good changes as well.

As they need to have rule only countries allowed in World cup which have nearly 6 or 7 native players in their playing team, and also they need to help few countries for having better facilities for the game as well, but sadly they never give focus on this all and just trying to increase their market into the USA and Middle East which are rich countries but still having funds from ICC due to personal likes and dislikes and countries like Zimbabwe, Kenya and Nepal are suffering badly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 16, 2023, 07:40:40 AM

Quote from: Tony116 on June 16, 2023, 04:18:46 AM

There are a lot of teams playing in the qualifiers. It would have been great if at least four teams qualified for the World Cup from this. They could easily do that because it is not a hard job to select 4/5 teams from the 10 that are playing.

But of course, ICC is not interested in giving these teams any chance and they are only interested in making sure that West Indies and Sri Lanka qualify for the World Cup because that is going to generate them better money compared to if some associate country qualifies.

The official explanation is that the media rights holders (Disney-Star) doesn't want smaller (i.e Associate) teams in the world cup. So the number of participants was reduced from 16 in the 2007 ODI World Cup to 10 as of now. But then the question remains. If only 10 nations are participating in this tournament (out of that 5 from the South Asian region), how can you call it as "World" cup? There should have been a middle way, which would make sure that some of the associate nations get to participate and also the media rights holders are happy. But as of now, not even all the full members (12) are included in the world cup.

If given a chance then these folks would like to organize only marquee fixtures similar to India vs Pakistan or India vs Australia vs England for all 25 days and call it WC.

The debacle of the 2007 World Cup still haunts the broadcasters and ICC hence the monkey balancing.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

My prediction is that the following teams would advance to the super-6 stage:
Group A: Zimbabwe, Nepal and West Indies
Group B: Ireland, Scotland and Sri Lanka

Good prediction buddy and it looks like I will have almost the same prediction as you.
Some of these teams have a great chance to continue advancing to the super-6 round.
But for Group B I'm not too sure about Sri Lanka because from the past until now I see nothing special or great about the Sri Lankan team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 16, 2023, 07:40:40 AM

The official explanation is that the media rights holders (Disney-Star) doesn't want smaller (i.e Associate) teams in the world cup. So the number of participants was reduced from 16 in the 2007 ODI World Cup to 10 as of now. But then the question remains. If only 10 nations are participating in this tournament (out of that 5 from the South Asian region), how can you call it as "World" cup? There should have been a middle way, which would make sure that some of the associate nations get to participate and also the media rights holders are happy. But as of now, not even all the full members (12) are included in the world cup.

Shouldn’t it be like ICC is going to tell how the tournament is going to be played out to the media rights holders? Why is ICC the one on the back foot in this situation? ICC has 104 members right now. Which means 104 teams are playing cricket professionally. And you are telling me they cannot manage to get 15 teams in the World Cup?

And why not even the full members be included in the World Cup? They just fear that if the big teams get eliminated early in the tournament the viewership is going to go down. And that certainly does not suit the media rights holders. Basically, it’s cricket that is suffering because ICC trying to generate more money again.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 16, 2023, 07:40:40 AM

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If only 10 nations are participating in this tournament (out of that 5 from the South Asian region), how can you call it as "World" cup? There should have been a middle way, which would make sure that some of the associate nations get to participate and also the media rights holders are happy. But as of now, not even all the full members (12) are included in the world cup.

Countries that are playing Cricket are already playing in the World Cup and they need to have a level of performance to get qualified and the rest of the world is not even competitive to get a spot and 4 Asian teams got qualified till now and Sri Lanka is looking for a spot. You cannot complain the broadcasting team as they want competitive performance rather than one sided matches as ODI is not getting the spot like before after T20 matches became the norm for entertainment.

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Quote from: Tony116 on June 16, 2023, 04:18:46 AM

There are a lot of teams playing in the qualifiers. It would have been great if at least four teams qualified for the World Cup from this. They could easily do that because it is not a hard job to select 4/5 teams from the 10 that are playing.

But of course, ICC is not interested in giving these teams any chance and they are only interested in making sure that West Indies and Sri Lanka qualify for the World Cup because that is going to generate them better money compared to if some associate country qualifies.

The official explanation is that the media rights holders (Disney-Star) doesn't want smaller (i.e Associate) teams in the world cup. So the number of participants was reduced from 16 in the 2007 ODI World Cup to 10 as of now. But then the question remains. If only 10 nations are participating in this tournament (out of that 5 from the South Asian region), how can you call it as "World" cup? There should have been a middle way, which would make sure that some of the associate nations get to participate and also the media rights holders are happy. But as of now, not even all the full members (12) are included in the world cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 16, 2023, 02:45:49 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2023, 02:29:03 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

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This sort of qualifier round tells the story of how badly ICC operates in general and is not interested in spreading the game.
All of them or at least 6 teams should've been qualified for the WC but only 2 teams will move into main groups. Ideally, every team should've played the qualifiers.

I agree with you. At the most, direct qualification should be extended to two teams - the hosts, as well as the reigning champions. All others should be asked to participate in the qualifier tournament. But this time, 8 teams were granted direct qualification and just 2 teams will be selected from the qualifier tournament. Anyway from 2027 onwards, they are expanding the tournament to 14 teams. But again, top-8 teams would be provided with automatic qualification for that tournament. On top of that South Africa and Zimbabwe will be provided with automatic qualification since they are the hosts.

There are a lot of teams playing in the qualifiers. It would have been great if at least four teams qualified for the World Cup from this. They could easily do that because it is not a hard job to select 4/5 teams from the 10 that are playing.

But of course, ICC is not interested in giving these teams any chance and they are only interested in making sure that West Indies and Sri Lanka qualify for the World Cup because that is going to generate them better money compared to if some associate country qualifies.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2023, 02:29:03 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 15, 2023, 10:36:03 PM

~snip~

This sort of qualifier round tells the story of how badly ICC operates in general and is not interested in spreading the game.

All of them or at least 6 teams should've been qualified for the WC but only 2 teams will move into main groups. Ideally, every team should've played the qualifiers.

I agree with you. At the most, direct qualification should be extended to two teams - the hosts, as well as the reigning champions. All others should be asked to participate in the qualifier tournament. But this time, 8 teams were granted direct qualification and just 2 teams will be selected from the qualifier tournament. Anyway from 2027 onwards, they are expanding the tournament to 14 teams. But again, top-8 teams would be provided with automatic qualification for that tournament. On top of that South Africa and Zimbabwe will be provided with automatic qualification since they are the hosts.

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