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Quote from: Rabata on May 31, 2023, 06:45:09 AM

Recommended Distribution Method shown by ICC for the year 2024-2027 is threatening to the entire world cricket. If such a policy is implemented, most of the cricket boards will suffer. Many cricket experts feel that such a decision should not be taken for the development of cricket.

The distribution methods should never be based on just one country. Moreover, more and more big countries will join cricket in long run. Therefore ICC must opt for a universal distribution method. I also personally think this distribution structure will have adverse effect on ICC. But since India is sharing a large revenue, India's percentage can definitely be increased slightly but it should not be more than 20 percent of the total budget.

In the previous cycle, BCCI was allotted 22% of the funds, and now it has been increased to 38.5%. This situation is not sustainable in the long run. Cricket will die out completely in all the other countries. ICC tournaments will lose their significance and cricket will be dominated by leagues such as IPL.

Quote from: crunck on May 31, 2023, 12:46:35 PM

It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

Associate nations are suffering from a double whammy. Two decades back there were only 25-30 associate nations and almost all of them were composed of native players. Since the ICC changed the eligibility laws, the number of associate nations have increased to almost 100. And now the decreasing pot of funds are being divided by an increasing number of teams. And most of the funds obviously end up with fake teams like Belgium and Norway which doesn't have a single citizen in their squad.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2023, 01:37:13 AM

Finally the associate nations have spoken out.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/proposed-icc-revenue-model-threatens-growth-of-game-say-associate-members-1379141

The new revenue distribution model, which earmarks 38.5% of the ICC revenue for BCCI and 11.1% for the hundred or so associate members will be voted on next month, during the ICC board meeting in Durban. Among the full members, only the PCB has expressed their displeasure, at the revenue distribution model for 2024-27. One of the associate representatives (Sumod Damodar from Botswana) has already criticized the proposal. Tim Cutler from Vanuatu was another representative who expressed his displeasure.

It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

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Recommended Distribution Method shown by ICC for the year 2024-2027 is threatening to the entire world cricket. If such a policy is implemented, most of the cricket boards will suffer. Many cricket experts feel that such a decision should not be taken for the development of cricket.

The distribution methods should never be based on just one country. Moreover, more and more big countries will join cricket in long run. Therefore ICC must opt for a universal distribution method. I also personally think this distribution structure will have adverse effect on ICC. But since India is sharing a large revenue, India's percentage can definitely be increased slightly but it should not be more than 20 percent of the total budget.

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Finally the associate nations have spoken out.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/proposed-icc-revenue-model-threatens-growth-of-game-say-associate-members-1379141

The new revenue distribution model, which earmarks 38.5% of the ICC revenue for BCCI and 11.1% for the hundred or so associate members will be voted on next month, during the ICC board meeting in Durban. Among the full members, only the PCB has expressed their displeasure, at the revenue distribution model for 2024-27. One of the associate representatives (Sumod Damodar from Botswana) has already criticized the proposal. Tim Cutler from Vanuatu was another representative who expressed his displeasure.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2023, 10:02:53 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on May 30, 2023, 01:05:02 PM

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I won't be surprised if by 2031 they extend the IPL to a 4-months window, with 20 or so teams competing in it (similar to the English Premier League). Bilateral cricket has lost its relevance as a result of one-sided matches. India is emerging as the sole super power in cricket (equivalent to what the United States is, as far as basketball is concerned). As a result of all this, the ICC will also lose their power and will be dependent on the scraps being thrown by the BCCI for its very survival. And with each passing year, the demands from BCCI are going to go up.

20 teams in the IPL by 2031 (or even 16 teams) seem a stretch to me and a very unlikely thing to happen. We have a fixed model of 10 teams till 2027 due to media rights.

In the best possible scenario, BCCI might add another 2 teams in the next cycle, given they continue with the 4 year cycle formula instead of 8 year cycle (it's not profitable).

White ball bilateral seems useless to me, only because we have an ICC tournament every year.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 29, 2023, 11:47:16 PM

both ODI and Test format will probably make way for T20 tournaments as IPL team’s are now hiring player’s on a yearly contract thus it’s only a matter of time before ICC cancels Test and ODI matches to allow these Franchise tournaments to thrive. Furthermore I feel that in the end ICC and the other boards will work out a compensation formula and the fan’s won’t mind it as they’ll get them more entertainment but small countries could suffer as they’ll further get very less opportunities to play against the big team’s.

I am feeling we are not having any problem for the test format because this will exist for few more decades but surely feeling not good about ODI because this is completely waste of time because of T20I which is doing much better and now having good time around the world if ICC works on few things surely we will be in IOC as well which will more helpful for this game and many countries but sadly due poor strategy of few top countries things are not going as they needed.

IPL factor is surely having big impact now on cricket, but they also can't go for very long time just 2 or 3 months are enough for them with many other franchises are also creating good things for many countries which are good but now as I already mention we need good changes which helps countries for having better domestic setup and good finances are also important but right now no solid strategy or vision is coming from ICC which is surely never been ideal.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on May 30, 2023, 01:05:02 PM

It is going to be a really important 8 years for cricket. If ICC does not actually change things, like make some important changes in the rules and also stop allowing the teams which are made up of foreign players, cricket is not going to survive for a long period of time. 8 more years is going to be a long time.

Of course, as @Juggy777 said that we have seen good players being approached by the IPL with big contracts, and it is only going to increase. And international cricket is actually going to die out. T20 is certainly going to be a lot more popular. ODI and test cricket are very soon going to die as well.

I won't be surprised if by 2031 they extend the IPL to a 4-months window, with 20 or so teams competing in it (similar to the English Premier League). Bilateral cricket has lost its relevance as a result of one-sided matches. India is emerging as the sole super power in cricket (equivalent to what the United States is, as far as basketball is concerned). As a result of all this, the ICC will also lose their power and will be dependent on the scraps being thrown by the BCCI for its very survival. And with each passing year, the demands from BCCI are going to go up.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 29, 2023, 11:47:16 PM

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I don't even know whether the 2031 ODI World Cup will go ahead as planned. It is 8 years from now, and we can't predict things with 100% certainty. And unlike the test format, there is no large scale support for ODI format from the old school cricket fans. No one feels nostalgic about this format, as it was first played only half-a-century ago. Anyway, cricket needs to adapt to changing requirements. No one has 7-8 hours of spare time to follow the ODI matches, as the world is moving ahead at a rapid pace. T20 is the future and ODI format will become one of the collateral casualties.

@Sithara007 both ODI and Test format will probably make way for T20 tournaments as IPL team’s are now hiring player’s on a yearly contract thus it’s only a matter of time before ICC cancels Test and ODI matches to allow these Franchise tournaments to thrive. Furthermore I feel that in the end ICC and the other boards will work out a compensation formula and the fan’s won’t mind it as they’ll get them more entertainment but small countries could suffer as they’ll further get very less opportunities to play against the big team’s.

It is going to be a really important 8 years for cricket. If ICC does not actually change things, like make some important changes in the rules and also stop allowing the teams which are made up of foreign players, cricket is not going to survive for a long period of time. 8 more years is going to be a long time.

Of course, as @Juggy777 said that we have seen good players being approached by the IPL with big contracts, and it is only going to increase. And international cricket is actually going to die out. T20 is certainly going to be a lot more popular. ODI and test cricket are very soon going to die as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2023, 10:18:02 PM

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Franchise is fact we have to accept this with need window for the test matches and T20 as well but ODI is going to die soon if ICC take decision about this quickly surely this will help them as most chances 2031 ODI world cup could be last event.

I don't even know whether the 2031 ODI World Cup will go ahead as planned. It is 8 years from now, and we can't predict things with 100% certainty. And unlike the test format, there is no large scale support for ODI format from the old school cricket fans. No one feels nostalgic about this format, as it was first played only half-a-century ago. Anyway, cricket needs to adapt to changing requirements. No one has 7-8 hours of spare time to follow the ODI matches, as the world is moving ahead at a rapid pace. T20 is the future and ODI format will become one of the collateral casualties.

@Sithara007 both ODI and Test format will probably make way for T20 tournaments as IPL team’s are now hiring player’s on a yearly contract thus it’s only a matter of time before ICC cancels Test and ODI matches to allow these Franchise tournaments to thrive. Furthermore I feel that in the end ICC and the other boards will work out a compensation formula and the fan’s won’t mind it as they’ll get them more entertainment but small countries could suffer as they’ll further get very less opportunities to play against the big team’s.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on May 29, 2023, 02:09:51 PM

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Franchise is fact we have to accept this with need window for the test matches and T20 as well but ODI is going to die soon if ICC take decision about this quickly surely this will help them as most chances 2031 ODI world cup could be last event.

I don't even know whether the 2031 ODI World Cup will go ahead as planned. It is 8 years from now, and we can't predict things with 100% certainty. And unlike the test format, there is no large scale support for ODI format from the old school cricket fans. No one feels nostalgic about this format, as it was first played only half-a-century ago. Anyway, cricket needs to adapt to changing requirements. No one has 7-8 hours of spare time to follow the ODI matches, as the world is moving ahead at a rapid pace. T20 is the future and ODI format will become one of the collateral casualties.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on May 29, 2023, 12:46:17 PM

The sad part is that any cricket board is not going to be able to stop this because the players will always try to get better validation for their hard work. And of course, IPL is going to do that. IPL is always going to be able to pay the players a lot more compared to what the respective cricket boards can do.

So of course those players are going to choose to play in franchise cricket instead of playing for the national team. Of course, if the players agree to play for the IPL it is going to be really hard for the cricket boards to make the players choose otherwise. But if that actually ends up happening I wonder what will happen when the world cup comes.

Now, we are heading for the new era in this game which is going to have big changes and many boards needs to bring changes in their system as well which give them better way to stay in touch otherwise they will lose their players to franchise, and we will have debate like in soccer club vs national team if they want to avoid then surely they need to sit and work on things which prevent from these problems, and they also increase their wagers as well which helps players to stay in for the national framework as well.

Franchise is fact we have to accept this with need window for the test matches and T20 as well but ODI is going to die soon if ICC take decision about this quickly surely this will help them as most chances 2031 ODI world cup could be last event.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 26, 2023, 11:54:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2023, 09:09:17 AM

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.
In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

The sad part is that any cricket board is not going to be able to stop this because the players will always try to get better validation for their hard work. And of course, IPL is going to do that. IPL is always going to be able to pay the players a lot more compared to what the respective cricket boards can do.

So of course those players are going to choose to play in franchise cricket instead of playing for the national team. Of course, if the players agree to play for the IPL it is going to be really hard for the cricket boards to make the players choose otherwise. But if that actually ends up happening I wonder what will happen when the world cup comes.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 26, 2023, 04:47:43 PM

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Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.

BCCI was reluctant to introduce the T20 format when it was introduced and now they really think that the future will be T20 and franchise cricket Cheesy

. Even Ravi Shastri has given interviews after he stepped down as the coach that franchise Cricket is the future. IPL dates are gradually increasing and more teams will be introduced in the coming years. Players are resigning earlier from International Cricket to prolong their franchise career which is ongoing and it all depends upon the fans.

Currently if it is said which is the most popular franchise league tournament in the world then without any thought everyone will answer IPL. And the popularity of this IPL is increasing day by day. Various organizations under the ownership of English clubs are already trying a lot to get IPL teams, maybe the number of teams and the number of matches in the IPL will increase from the next tournament.

IPL activities are not limited to this. While the IPL activities are going on in the interim, the CEO of IPL said in an interview to the media that the popularity of IPL is increasing a lot and a large number of people are demanding that IPL be held twice a year.
In this regard, he said that they have such a plan that if the demand is high, then of course they will organize two tournaments in a year, but at this time they are not thinking much about organizing two tournaments in a year. Through his statement, it is understood that they have different thoughts about IPL.

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^^ Checked some articles on this topic and was surprised to know that Jason Roy only earns £60k annually from the ECB contract (incremental contract), which includes only the ODI format, he's dropped from the T-20 setup.

This is not justifiable to any Player and Roy happens to be an excellent White ball cricketer. Yeah, he's not at his peak but he does have demand in franchise cricket.

https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/explained-why-jason-roy-is-set-to-cut-short-his-england-contract

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2023, 02:59:44 PM

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And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

Well.. I can agree on that. I still remember how they ruined the future of Ireland, Scotland and Netherlands by refusing to release their main players (Gavin Hamilton, Ed Joyce, Boyd Rankin.etc) from the county system. And they stole some of the best players these countries ever produced - Eoin Morgan is a perfect example. Now they are getting some of their own medicine. I am not entirely happy about this scenario though. England is the birthplace of cricket, and I want them to sustain the county cricket system. None of the other domestic competitions can match county cricket in terms of quality and diversity.

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Quote from: wiss19 on May 26, 2023, 04:03:19 PM

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Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.

BCCI was reluctant to introduce the T20 format when it was introduced and now they really think that the future will be T20 and franchise cricket Cheesy

. Even Ravi Shastri has given interviews after he stepped down as the coach that franchise Cricket is the future. IPL dates are gradually increasing and more teams will be introduced in the coming years. Players are resigning earlier from International Cricket to prolong their franchise career which is ongoing and it all depends upon the fans.

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Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah but all of them are white ball players and hardly anyone has any Test future.

For example, Jofra's test career is almost finished due to injuries, the best he can do is play white ball cricket. Trent Boult is almost 34 and i guess he took the right decision.

Agree in the long run it'll definitely affect cricket but that's how the market works. And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

No one going to remind them about these all because they don't like things like these which were hurting others in past and now creating problems for them, but now it's time for them to have changed their system and policies if they want alive in this game otherwise things could be gone from bad to worse for them, and they will be completely useless in coming years specially if we have good franchise leagues in Gulf region then surely many countries will be suffered with this all due to infrastructure and money which are they providing players.

Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 26, 2023, 11:54:12 AM

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah I agree, Jason Roy doing many more can do as well but if ECB and other boards go ahead about this issue and work on better policy then surely things can go positive for both parties because if we have started this surely it's going to hurt many boards especially West indies and many issues could be in line for having problems so now it's good time to sit and talk about these all before get into too late.

IPL is money bank for the players, but it's all depend on BCCI policy as well because if they will allow then players will be able to join otherwise if they ban any country like Pakistan then surely things could be not good for the players increasing funding and also offloading burden are also talk able specially in England where things are never been good for players with mostly have injuries or too much work load in country seasons as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 26, 2023, 11:54:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2023, 09:09:17 AM

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah but all of them are white ball players and hardly anyone has any Test future.

For example, Jofra's test career is almost finished due to injuries, the best he can do is play white ball cricket. Trent Boult is almost 34 and i guess he took the right decision.

Agree in the long run it'll definitely affect cricket but that's how the market works. And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2023, 09:09:17 AM

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

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