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Quote from: JSRAW on May 19, 2023, 08:05:41 AM

Quote from: posi on May 19, 2023, 06:56:02 AM

So the safe decision is going to be moving the Asia Cup to a neutral place. At first, I thought England or Australia is not going to be a good idea. But on second thought I believe it is not going to be bad honestly. BCCI might actually want that as it will give them a good experience outside the subcontinent conditions.

Asia Cup in Europe and Oceanic countries when ODI World Cup is scheduled in the Indian subcontinent. Not a wise decision IMO.

Well, UAE is always an option. Don't think anyone is going to oppose that idea, to be honest. Pakistani should understand that the situation is not right for Pakistan to host the Asia Cup right now. For actually any tournament as a matter of fact.

So, I don't think Pakistan will stand by their word for not participating in the world cup if the Asia Cup gets moved to another venue. It is true that Pakistan is not going to get the benefit that they could help get from the home ground. But it is what it is.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2023, 06:49:04 AM

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PCB seems to be desperate to increase their revenue and a series between India and Pakistan can be life-changing for them. But the problem is that such a series is not important for the BCCI, who are swimming in wads of money (IPL media rights, increased allocation from the ICC and now the next cycle of bilateral media rights is up for auction). The silver lining for PCB is that their financial condition is set to improve, as the ICC has increased allocation by 116%, from $16 million per year (2015-23) to $34.51 million per year (2024-27 period).

Yup, only desperation nothing else.

BTW he also raised his voice regarding the ICC revenue model, to his credit he did acknowledge that BCCI deserves a big share. His objection focus on the revenue formula, which actually looks weird on paper.

Quote from: posi on May 19, 2023, 06:56:02 AM

So the safe decision is going to be moving the Asia Cup to a neutral place. At first, I thought England or Australia is not going to be a good idea. But on second thought I believe it is not going to be bad honestly. BCCI might actually want that as it will give them a good experience outside the subcontinent conditions.

Asia Cup in Europe and Oceanic countries when ODI World Cup is scheduled in the Indian subcontinent. Not a wise decision IMO.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 19, 2023, 05:13:55 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2023, 05:06:06 AM

Has anyone have any updates in the Asia Cup? In Pakistan a lot of drama is going on. Rambo has termed Najam Sethi as "mentally unstable" after the latter proposed to move the tournament to England. Anyway, how can a tournament that is specific to the Asian continent be moved to an European country? The BCCI is still firm in its demand that the tournament needs to be moved out of Pakistan, while the SLCB and BCB have stated that they are OK with the hybrid model that is proposed by the PCB. Former Pakistan player Salman Butt has come up with a bizarre proposal BTW. His suggestion is to have the tournament to be held in England, with 6 teams from Asia (those who already qualified) and 4 from Europe (England, Scotland, Ireland and Netherlands). He claims that this "Euro-Asian cup" will act as a rehearsal for the ODI world cup.

Frankly, anyone who occupies the PCB's chair becomes a mentally unstable individual.
The amount of interviews Sethi Sahab gives to every media (except pak media) nowadays indicates the same. It shows the desperation and the funny part is BCCI hardly takes anything seriously.
Although they did say no to "Australia as host" regarding bilateral tests series (Ind vs Pak). Context ** Sethi gave an interview regarding Australia hosting India vs Pakistan.

I actually do not want to get engaged into this drama. I really want to see the end of it. I understand that Pakistan is currently not a very safe country. The political situation and also the economic situation of Pakistan are not good at all right now.

So the safe decision is going to be moving the Asia Cup to a neutral place. At first, I thought England or Australia is not going to be a good idea. But on second thought I believe it is not going to be bad honestly. BCCI might actually want that as it will give them a good experience outside the subcontinent conditions.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 19, 2023, 05:13:55 AM

Frankly, anyone who occupies the PCB's chair becomes a mentally unstable individual.

The amount of interviews Sethi Sahab gives to every media (except pak media) nowadays indicates the same. It shows the desperation and the funny part is BCCI hardly takes anything seriously.

Although they did say no to "Australia as host" regarding bilateral tests series (Ind vs Pak). Context ** Sethi gave an interview regarding Australia hosting India vs Pakistan.

PCB seems to be desperate to increase their revenue and a series between India and Pakistan can be life-changing for them. But the problem is that such a series is not important for the BCCI, who are swimming in wads of money (IPL media rights, increased allocation from the ICC and now the next cycle of bilateral media rights is up for auction). The silver lining for PCB is that their financial condition is set to improve, as the ICC has increased allocation by 116%, from $16 million per year (2015-23) to $34.51 million per year (2024-27 period).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2023, 05:06:06 AM

Has anyone have any updates in the Asia Cup? In Pakistan a lot of drama is going on. Rambo has termed Najam Sethi as "mentally unstable" after the latter proposed to move the tournament to England. Anyway, how can a tournament that is specific to the Asian continent be moved to an European country? The BCCI is still firm in its demand that the tournament needs to be moved out of Pakistan, while the SLCB and BCB have stated that they are OK with the hybrid model that is proposed by the PCB. Former Pakistan player Salman Butt has come up with a bizarre proposal BTW. His suggestion is to have the tournament to be held in England, with 6 teams from Asia (those who already qualified) and 4 from Europe (England, Scotland, Ireland and Netherlands). He claims that this "Euro-Asian cup" will act as a rehearsal for the ODI world cup.

Frankly, anyone who occupies the PCB's chair becomes a mentally unstable individual.

The amount of interviews Sethi Sahab gives to every media (except pak media) nowadays indicates the same. It shows the desperation and the funny part is BCCI hardly takes anything seriously.

Although they did say no to "Australia as host" regarding bilateral tests series (Ind vs Pak). Context ** Sethi gave an interview regarding Australia hosting India vs Pakistan.

Hosting Asia Cup is still a question mark and Najam Sethi is giving too many illogical statements at this time dint know what his issue Is.
Apart from Asia cup nothing is important right now why come up with India Pakistan Bilateral series, the model given by them is according to BCCI demands so let's see what will be the final verdict on this matter .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2023, 12:18:23 AM

Quote from: noormcs5 on May 18, 2023, 10:46:32 PM

If every country comes up with its own T20 league, it won't attract any attraction even if they spend a lot of money on domestic and also on hiring foreign players. I think only the Indian Premiere league (IPL) has the highest viewership and audience worldwide. The rest of the popular leagues like Big Bash or PSL mostly attract the local population.
It will be just a waste of time and money if the small countries' boards start to focus on conducting leagues and not focusing on building their own infrastructure. Yeah, leagues may bring in some instant capital but if any country has a strong team, it would be more beneficial for them.

BBL and Hundred are franchise leagues standing up on their own. I have the same opinion about the CPL as well, but most of their revenue comes from the Indian market. PSL revenues have grown over the years, but they will benefit immensely if they include one team each from Afghanistan and Nepal. BPL is declining, in terms of revenue and popularity. A good option would be to have a deal with PCB and get 3-4 BPL franchises in the PSL. But existing political scenarios would make such a deal impossible. The same with LPL as well. Perhaps BPL and LPL can be merged together, with 4 franchises from each country (total of 8, with 4 from Bangladesh and 4 from Sri Lanka).

A T20 league is not going to be sustainable in the long run if it does not have viewers. And I genuinely think that these associate countries are not going to have good enough viewers to actually make a profit from these. I honestly only consider the T20 league which are arranged by India, Australia, and England to be the actual interesting one. Other than that the T20 tournaments that are being introduced by other countries are actually not very fun or competitive. They also do not have many spectators as well.

All the associate countries trying to set up the T20 league are actually going to create a void which is never going to be fulfilled in my opinion. That's because they are simply not enough people wanting to see the associate countries play.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2023, 05:06:06 AM

Has anyone have any updates in the Asia Cup? In Pakistan a lot of drama is going on. Rambo has termed Najam Sethi as "mentally unstable" after the latter proposed to move the tournament to England. Anyway, how can a tournament that is specific to the Asian continent be moved to an European country? The BCCI is still firm in its demand that the tournament needs to be moved out of Pakistan, while the SLCB and BCB have stated that they are OK with the hybrid model that is proposed by the PCB. Former Pakistan player Salman Butt has come up with a bizarre proposal BTW. His suggestion is to have the tournament to be held in England, with 6 teams from Asia (those who already qualified) and 4 from Europe (England, Scotland, Ireland and Netherlands). He claims that this "Euro-Asian cup" will act as a rehearsal for the ODI world cup.

Frankly, anyone who occupies the PCB's chair becomes a mentally unstable individual.

The amount of interviews Sethi Sahab gives to every media (except pak media) nowadays indicates the same. It shows the desperation and the funny part is BCCI hardly takes anything seriously.

Although they did say no to "Australia as host" regarding bilateral tests series (Ind vs Pak). Context ** Sethi gave an interview regarding Australia hosting India vs Pakistan.

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Has anyone have any updates in the Asia Cup? In Pakistan a lot of drama is going on. Rambo has termed Najam Sethi as "mentally unstable" after the latter proposed to move the tournament to England. Anyway, how can a tournament that is specific to the Asian continent be moved to an European country? The BCCI is still firm in its demand that the tournament needs to be moved out of Pakistan, while the SLCB and BCB have stated that they are OK with the hybrid model that is proposed by the PCB. Former Pakistan player Salman Butt has come up with a bizarre proposal BTW. His suggestion is to have the tournament to be held in England, with 6 teams from Asia (those who already qualified) and 4 from Europe (England, Scotland, Ireland and Netherlands). He claims that this "Euro-Asian cup" will act as a rehearsal for the ODI world cup.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 19, 2023, 04:35:39 AM

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For starters, Raman Lamba comes to my mind. There might be more names if we dig more.

He was playing in Bangladesh's local test match, the spinner was bowling and he was fielding at a forward short leg and got hit on the head. He died after a few days

Raman Lamba incident was back in late 90s and it was a club match and there were no recording of the incident as far as i remember.

Mark Boucher the South African legendary wicketkeeper unfortunately ended his career when the bail dislodged and injured his eye and he was not wearing any sun glasses or protection and after that incident every Wicketkeeper uses sunglasses and protection while standing up to the stumps. Funny thing is that the Mark Boucher incident happened in 2012 and ICC enforced that rules almost a decade later while all the fielders in close are already wearing enough protective gear.

That guy was asking for one example and I happened to remember Raman Lamba's name because I heard his example so many times in local cricket, regarding safety. I guess anyone who played cricket in a local tournament (leather ball tourneys), does remember his name.

Tbh never heard Boucher's story and wasn't aware of that.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 18, 2023, 11:44:27 PM

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For starters, Raman Lamba comes to my mind. There might be more names if we dig more.

He was playing in Bangladesh's local test match, the spinner was bowling and he was fielding at a forward short leg and got hit on the head. He died after a few days

Raman Lamba incident was back in late 90s and it was a club match and there were no recording of the incident as far as i remember.

Mark Boucher the South African legendary wicketkeeper unfortunately ended his career when the bail dislodged and injured his eye and he was not wearing any sun glasses or protection and after that incident every Wicketkeeper uses sunglasses and protection while standing up to the stumps. Funny thing is that the Mark Boucher incident happened in 2012 and ICC enforced that rules almost a decade later while all the fielders in close are already wearing enough protective gear.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on May 18, 2023, 10:46:32 PM

If every country comes up with its own T20 league, it won't attract any attraction even if they spend a lot of money on domestic and also on hiring foreign players. I think only the Indian Premiere league (IPL) has the highest viewership and audience worldwide. The rest of the popular leagues like Big Bash or PSL mostly attract the local population.

It will be just a waste of time and money if the small countries' boards start to focus on conducting leagues and not focusing on building their own infrastructure. Yeah, leagues may bring in some instant capital but if any country has a strong team, it would be more beneficial for them.

BBL and Hundred are franchise leagues standing up on their own. I have the same opinion about the CPL as well, but most of their revenue comes from the Indian market. PSL revenues have grown over the years, but they will benefit immensely if they include one team each from Afghanistan and Nepal. BPL is declining, in terms of revenue and popularity. A good option would be to have a deal with PCB and get 3-4 BPL franchises in the PSL. But existing political scenarios would make such a deal impossible. The same with LPL as well. Perhaps BPL and LPL can be merged together, with 4 franchises from each country (total of 8, with 4 from Bangladesh and 4 from Sri Lanka).

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Quote from: noormcs5 on May 18, 2023, 03:20:50 PM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on May 18, 2023, 04:52:34 AM

In many matches I have seen when a medium fast bowler comes to bowl wicket keepers and batsmen are batting without helmet which is very dangerous because the most sensitive part of our body is our brain is likely to occur. Such rules are usually made to avoid that accident.

Tell me if you have any evidence of the mishaps that happened in international cricket where any fielder is severely injured who is standing close to the batsmen without an helmet ?
The wicketkeepers, batsmen, and fielders are well aware of their security and they always wear helmets when necessary without the advice from ICC.

For starters, Raman Lamba comes to my mind. There might be more names if we dig more.

He was playing in Bangladesh's local test match, the spinner was bowling and he was fielding at a forward short leg and got hit on the head. He died after a few days

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Quote from: noormcs5 on May 18, 2023, 10:46:32 PM

If every country comes up with its own T20 league, it won't attract any attraction even if they spend a lot of money on domestic and also on hiring foreign players. I think only the Indian Premiere league (IPL) has the highest viewership and audience worldwide. The rest of the popular leagues like Big Bash or PSL mostly attract the local population.

It will be just a waste of time and money if the small countries' boards start to focus on conducting leagues and not focusing on building their own infrastructure. Yeah, leagues may bring in some instant capital but if any country has a strong team, it would be more beneficial for them.

Every country has its own league since its now a trend to have your own league plus T20 league generates good revenue. I heard Najam Sethi saying that due to PSL our dependence on icc for funds has gone down significantly as PSL is giving good revenue. Only IPL has global viewership because players from all countries are there.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 18, 2023, 09:54:29 PM

Quote from: Tony116 on May 18, 2023, 01:27:00 PM

I do not understand why the associate countries are trying to set up their own T20 league. After all, they should look at the countries who are actually trying that end feeling or not doing a very good job at it. In India and Australia, they are self-sufficient. Even if no one from the outside countries what's them they have enough population themselves to actually make positive revenue.

I am OK, if they are setting up a small-scale league with county players in overseas contingent. On the other hand, if they are planning for a league on a grand level, by including all the T20 superstars on a $500,000 per player contract, then I am not very hopeful. That money could be better spent on popularizing the sport or to build new infrastructural facilities. And I have always suggested this - rather than setting up leagues in individual countries, multiple countries should come together to have a single league. For example, PSL can include teams from Afghanistan, UAE and Nepal.

If every country comes up with its own T20 league, it won't attract any attraction even if they spend a lot of money on domestic and also on hiring foreign players. I think only the Indian Premiere league (IPL) has the highest viewership and audience worldwide. The rest of the popular leagues like Big Bash or PSL mostly attract the local population.

It will be just a waste of time and money if the small countries' boards start to focus on conducting leagues and not focusing on building their own infrastructure. Yeah, leagues may bring in some instant capital but if any country has a strong team, it would be more beneficial for them.

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Quote from: Tony116 on May 18, 2023, 01:27:00 PM

I do not understand why the associate countries are trying to set up their own T20 league. After all, they should look at the countries who are actually trying that end feeling or not doing a very good job at it. In India and Australia, they are self-sufficient. Even if no one from the outside countries what's them they have enough population themselves to actually make positive revenue.

I am OK, if they are setting up a small-scale league with county players in overseas contingent. On the other hand, if they are planning for a league on a grand level, by including all the T20 superstars on a $500,000 per player contract, then I am not very hopeful. That money could be better spent on popularizing the sport or to build new infrastructural facilities. And I have always suggested this - rather than setting up leagues in individual countries, multiple countries should come together to have a single league. For example, PSL can include teams from Afghanistan, UAE and Nepal.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on May 18, 2023, 04:52:34 AM

In many matches I have seen when a medium fast bowler comes to bowl wicket keepers and batsmen are batting without helmet which is very dangerous because the most sensitive part of our body is our brain is likely to occur. Such rules are usually made to avoid that accident.

Tell me if you have any evidence of the mishaps that happened in international cricket where any fielder is severely injured who is standing close to the batsmen without an helmet ?
The wicketkeepers, batsmen, and fielders are well aware of their security and they always wear helmets when necessary without the advice from ICC.

Quote from: Litzki1990 on May 18, 2023, 04:52:34 AM

I don't think any wicket keeper will react to ICC's imposition of this rule as it is purely for his own safety.

Well, it's just that no one has the courage to speak as these rules regarding helmets are unnecessary and most of them are already being followed by players world wide.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 17, 2023, 09:32:42 PM

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It is hard to actually get good revenue if you do not have Indian players taking part in the franchises. There is 1 other way wages you have to have a good world-class blessing in your country for the spectator will be to watch.
But sadly there do not have anyone like that in my opinion. I don't see how anyone is going to do well with revenue in these T20 leagues. But I think it can be used to make cricket more popular towards the nation for these associate countries. But I would suggest that the investment should be kept small. They better or not look at the IPL and start investing huge amounts of money in their own T20 league.

Since the associate nations can expect near zero support from the ICC, my suggestion to them would be to look for other sources of revenue. However, unless cricket is included in the Olympics, the governments are not going to help the national cricket boards. The only option left is to get revenue through sponsorships and TV rights. But this can't happen unless cricket is popular across the country. And that is the issue with smaller countries such as Malaysia. Cricket is not as popular as some of the other sports, such as football and badminton.

I do not understand why the associate countries are trying to set up their own T20 league. After all, they should look at the countries who are actually trying that end feeling or not doing a very good job at it. In India and Australia, they are self-sufficient. Even if no one from the outside countries what's them they have enough population themselves to actually make positive revenue.

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It may be this all is correct about their finances but still they can go ahead with their project because they can afford things like this even they have no luxury like the UAE or Saudi Arab which are oil rich countries and doing things for their own with money and power but still I am happy with them and their homework which is they doing for this game.
BCCI will never allow their players for any franchise league because they understand this all and just because of this ban they have the biggest revenue collected league in India which is not challengeable in current cricket world but hopefully few other leagues will be able to go ahead with their own and have better results even MCA can face few problems due to time and availability of International players.

I think the associate nations should have tried to make cricket more popular in their own country before launching the T20 league. But they might have thought that throughout this T20 league, they will make cricket more popular in their countries. I hope it will work.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on May 16, 2023, 01:51:35 AM

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2. The second rule is entirely for batsmen and wicket keepers. The second rule states that batsmen and wicketkeepers must wear helmets while bowling fast balls. This initiative of the ICC to ensure the safety of the players is undoubtedly commendable.

The rule is that anyone fielding close to the batsman should wear proper headgear when fast bowlers are bowling which means wicket keepers coming up to the stumps should wear head protection, which is being done by all the wicket keepers now a days. Forcing wicket keepers to wear helmet standing against fast bowlers in normal position is not practical as it is difficult to judge the ball from that distance with the helmet grills covering your vision.

Quote from: Patrol69 on May 16, 2023, 01:51:35 AM

3. And the third rule is that if the batsman scores a run without the ball hitting the bat, then that run will be added next to the batsman's name. To put it simply, if Virat Kohli is bowled by a free hit in the World Cup match between Pakistan and India, then the ball gets four on the stamp and that run is added to the team's run but not added to Virat Kohli's run. From now on that run will be added to the batsman's side

Not happy with this rule change, as the run for a batsman should be always be scored off the bat and anything other than that should be extras as all the rules are favoring batsman.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on May 17, 2023, 06:45:51 PM

First of all as I understand this rule only apply on a fast bowling and not on the spin bowling. The batsman already wear helmet when a fast bowler is bowling so there is nothing change in this part however the wicket keeper usually stand very far away and there was no need for him to wear the helmet at that time.

It will be interesting to know how the Wicket keepers around the world will react to this new ICC rule which will just create more irritation to them rather than any safety 🛟 🦺
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This is from ICC's briefing

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-when batters are facing fast bowlers
-when wicketkeepers are standing up to the stumps
-when fielders are close to the batter in front of the wicket.

It's not just limited to Keeper or batter, as you rightly pointed out that every batsman and Wicket keeper already follow this because of safety. It's just ICC included this in the rule book and made it mandatory.

Also, this rule mainly focuses on fielders (when spinners are bowling), if they are close to batters like short-leg, silly point, silly mid off -on. These are the most dangerous areas to field, there is a reason you only find rookie members of the team standing there with few exceptions.

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Quote from: wiss19 on May 18, 2023, 04:39:06 AM

Most chances in early few seasons they will be not in profit but after having few good years they can do better but here I want to add few things Southeast Asia is economically very strong, and they already have ASEAN which is doing amazing in many fields and sports as well so here MCA needs to be realistic with go with seven or eight teams and few franchise from Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam as well because this will create good craze, and they can improve their quality and market as well.

With most chances I am not agreed here they need Indian market as well because ASEAN is also well populated region and their market is also well organized, so they can do things without any help as well which is also good for them, and surely they can do these things better than South Africa and Sri Lanka.

I don't know whether a T20 league spread out over multiple countries will be viable, given the fact that cricket is not very popular in these countries. Malaysia has a cricketing history of many decades, but even then cricket is not very popular there. Same can be said about Thailand as well. Indonesia is a relatively new entrant, but cricket is rapidly becoming popular there. In Vietnam and Cambodia, it is more of a fringe sport. But arranging logistics will be an issue, as teams will be based quite far away from each other. But it will be possible, provided they get some support from the government and the local businessmen.

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