Topic: CryptoNote technical discussion and Chess Challenge - page 54. (Read 96133 times)
I vote Nc5
The debate in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zero-knowledge-transactions-1211093 and related subreddit post is quite interesting. I wish it was as civilized as the technical discussions I have seen in this thread.
Maybe my view is simplistic since my current focus is just to learn more about cryptography. I have no economic incentive to favor one coin or developer over another.
Maybe my view is simplistic since my current focus is just to learn more about cryptography. I have no economic incentive to favor one coin or developer over another.
You are right that is is easier to remain neutral when you have no vested interest. I think most of us are weighted in favor of one coin or another even if we have a position in several. That does not mean we cannot remain civil and learn from each other. Open source software is built with cooperation!
There has indeed been some informative CryptoNote discussion in this thread. I am glad it interests you. Your chess thread has become quite popular! I like the problems you have been posting.
Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play b3. Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.
Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
black to move
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Qxd4 a6
5.c4 Nc6
6.Qe3 g6
7.Nc3 Bg7
8.Be2 Nf6
9.O-O O-O
10.h3 Nd7
11.b3
Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play b3. Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.
Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
black to move
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Qxd4 a6
5.c4 Nc6
6.Qe3 g6
7.Nc3 Bg7
8.Be2 Nf6
9.O-O O-O
10.h3 Nd7
11.b3
The debate in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zero-knowledge-transactions-1211093 and related subreddit post is quite interesting. I wish it was as civilized as the technical discussions I have seen in this thread.
Maybe my view is simplistic since my current focus is just to learn more about cryptography. I have no economic incentive to favor one coin or developer over another.
Maybe my view is simplistic since my current focus is just to learn more about cryptography. I have no economic incentive to favor one coin or developer over another.
11. b3
Rd1
...
11.b3 followed by 12.Bb2
Last move b3 would have failed to Nxe4 because of the pin but with the knight on d7 we should be safe now without the need to play Rb1 first.
11.b3 followed by 12.Bb2
Last move b3 would have failed to Nxe4 because of the pin but with the knight on d7 we should be safe now without the need to play Rb1 first.
I vote for 11. b3; however there are lines where I would play 12 Rd1 rather than Bb2.
Good point. You are right that our next move should depend on how our opponent reacts.
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11.b3 followed by 12.Bb2
Last move b3 would have failed to Nxe4 because of the pin but with the knight on d7 we should be safe now without the need to play Rb1 first.
11.b3 followed by 12.Bb2
Last move b3 would have failed to Nxe4 because of the pin but with the knight on d7 we should be safe now without the need to play Rb1 first.
I vote for 11. b3; however there are lines where I would play 12 Rd1 rather than Bb2.
h3 to stop Ng4
those moves are very ineffective. It better to develop. Will post tomorrow a game I just played at the club where you can see why.
I don't see Ng4 as that dangerous (we can just move the queen) but I'm going to vote for h3 because I don't like having to go on the defensive.
I see no point in debating because O-O looks fine and I agree with smooth that Ng4 is not "dangerous". However h3 is also a good move. See this game:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1802118&kpage=3
9.h3 would lead to literally the exact same position. In that game black played 9....Nd7 and 10....Nde5
It is not hard to imagine how h3 could be helpful since Ng4 and Nde5 accomplishes the same thing (as Nd7 and Nde5) and makes white move the queen again. So if any time is "wasted" with h3, time is potentially gained by not having to move the queen in response to Ng4 on its way to e5.
We have a nice center with white. The problem is finding an easy way to develop our pieces to good squares. For example, we would like to play b3 and Bb2 but it is not always so easy for tactical reasons on the long diagonal. Svidler ended up "wasting" a move with Rb1 in a failed attempt to prepare it. We may want to talk about another plan besides Rb1 based on the game linked above.
We could just skip Rb1 and just play b3. I don't see where Rb1 is needed, although maybe it helps a deter an attack on that side a bit.
EDIT: Oh, okay the pawn at b2 is protecting the c3 knight from being pinned once black moves the knight (as in above game). Hmm.
11.b3 followed by 12.Bb2
Last move 10.b3 would have failed to 10.b3 Nxe4 11.Nxe4 Bxa1 or 11.Qxe4 Bxc3 but with the knight on d7 we should be safe now.
Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Boolberry has chosen to play Nd7. Now it is time for Team Monero to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.
Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
white to move
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Qxd4 a6
5.c4 Nc6
6.Qe3 g6
7.Nc3 Bg7
8.Be2 Nf6
9.O-O O-O
10.h3 Nd7
Based on the votes in this thread Team Boolberry has chosen to play Nd7. Now it is time for Team Monero to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.
Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
white to move
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Qxd4 a6
5.c4 Nc6
6.Qe3 g6
7.Nc3 Bg7
8.Be2 Nf6
9.O-O O-O
10.h3 Nd7
Bd7
Please change my vote to Nd7.
Who else if following this Reddit thread with great interest?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3oi16k/ring_ct_for_monero_a_work_in_progress_comments/
How hard is it to get a paper submitted here:
http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger
How much visibility would that bring?
By my count:
3 votes Nd7, 1 vote Bd7
I am following the CT discussions. The first CryptoNote coin to add Confidential Transactions will receive a huge amount of attention from the bitcoin community (many of whom have rejected the very idea of alt coins so far). The current CryptoNote community today is tiny compared to how large it may be once more merchants embrace it and something like this happens.
Bd7
Please change my vote to Nd7.
Who else if following this Reddit thread with great interest?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3oi16k/ring_ct_for_monero_a_work_in_progress_comments/
How hard is it to get a paper submitted here:
http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger
How much visibility would that bring?
second vote for Bd7.
2nd vote for Nd7
Bd7
10....Nd7
Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play h3. Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.
Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
black to move
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Qxd4 a6
5.c4 Nc6
6.Qe3 g6
7.Nc3 Bg7
8.Be2 Nf6
9.O-O O-O
10.h3
Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play h3. Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.
Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
black to move
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Qxd4 a6
5.c4 Nc6
6.Qe3 g6
7.Nc3 Bg7
8.Be2 Nf6
9.O-O O-O
10.h3
h3 , they already showed they could move horse.
Well I voted for h3 last time, it's certainly not a bad move. I'll leave my vote as I feel we can successfully move the queen after Ng4 but we will probably move h3 and I'm happy with that.
My vote is for h3. On Rd1 there is Ng4 followed by Qb6 with f2 becoming a problem. I also do not like Nd5 since it allows Ng4.
I would like to change my vote to h3 instead of Nd5.
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