Topic: [DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ) - page 13. (Read 33675 times)

Quote from: rynomster on December 20, 2014, 09:43:17 PM

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2

(just like the image shows Roll Eyes

)

What exactly is the point that this quote is supposed to prove? Seems like smooth is just spouting some more technobabble.

Fake whitepapers, technobable quotes. Wow, what will those Monero scammers do next?

It proves these so-called "tokens" in SDC just has outputs on the blockchain, which are the exact same thing that (nearly; excluding the few that are account-based such as XCN) every other cryptocurrency. has There is no substance to this "tokens just like zerocash" talking point you pumpers came up with.

The tokens have outputs on the blockchain. But there was a reason for choosing tokens, and that is because the devs are building towards a direction that they are striving for. Let me quote rynomaster the lead dev again:

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

So it seems that the plan is to add zkSNARKS in the future once they are out and fully trustless, and this is the main reason for tokens. SNARKS are still developing and there are still some obstacles before they are fully trustless from my understanding. My guess is once implemented, this would look similar to the second zerocash whitepaper that includes SNARK discussions. Although I know smooth will just call this vaporware, I think these Shadow devs deserve credit for building a foundation that makes it obvious the direction they are heading in. They are proving themselves, and should be respected. Definitely they should not be disrespected and FUDed, and called names, and called a scam.

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Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 08:39:12 PM

Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:32:43 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:04:46 PM

Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:32:43 PM

He knows SDT are like CN/XMR (with more rings sigs)
He knows…

It doesn't have "more ring sigs." That phrase doesn't even mean anything (more technobabble). Both coins allow the user to specify the desired number of mixins in a ring sig.

yes but default in XMR is 3, in Shadow is 16
dont ask me why

Wouldn't that create a huge blockchain size worse than Monero? -- which is already know for being huge.

Is SDC utilizing two chains for anonymity?

A token being based on an output would be a terrible starting point for anonymity because with my understanding the starting token is published in the blockchain from the get go compared to a freshly generated never used address. (hell of a run on sentence)

Incoming Peer Review should settle matters. As I said - Im not the tech guy

Since the Team is mostly Europe/Africa based this is a bad time of day to get the heavyweights in Sad

wait a few hrs Wink

if impatient check post history for dasource who was on form earlier today in this thread

@smooth - u said b4 16 "wasnt so bad" (in bloat terms)
should i dig up the quote?

THEREFOR

WHY DOES MONERO NOT USE 16, OR 8…?
WHY A PUNY 3 AS DEFAULT?

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:04:46 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:30:34 PM

He knows SDT are like CN/XMR (with more rings sigs)
He knows…

It doesn't have "more ring sigs." That phrase doesn't even mean anything (more technobabble). Both coins allow the user to specify the desired number of mixins in a ring sig.

yes but default in XMR is 3, in Shadow is 16
dont ask me why

Wouldn't that create a huge blockchain size worse than Monero? -- which is already know for being huge.

Is SDC utilizing two chains for anonymity?

A token being based on an output would be a terrible starting point for anonymity because with my understanding the starting token is published in the blockchain from the get go compared to a freshly generated never used address. (hell of a run on sentence)

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Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:23:40 PM

Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 08:13:59 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:04:46 PM

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2

(just like the image shows Roll Eyes

)

What exactly is the point that this quote is supposed to prove? Seems like smooth is just spouting some more technobabble.

Fake whitepapers, technobable quotes. Wow, what will those Monero scammers do next?

It proves these so-called "tokens" in SDC just has outputs on the blockchain, which are the exact same thing that (nearly; excluding the few that are account-based such as XCN) every other cryptocurrency. has There is no substance to this "tokens just like zerocash" talking point you pumpers came up with.

You know not of which you speak Sir Smooth
edited
http://shadowchain.info/tx/44130384f6099ab57be8e801b0a50d7cd39eeca53fa98a847c93526189f1c535

How u get away with what u do is beyond me. Thankfully u r not the final Arbiter.

(altho u might b last Airbender Wink

)
jk?

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Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 08:13:59 PM

He knows SDT are like CN/XMR (with more rings sigs)
He knows…

It doesn't have "more ring sigs." That phrase doesn't even mean anything (more technobabble). Both coins allow the user to specify the desired number of mixins in a ring sig.

yes but default in XMR is 3, in Shadow is 16
dont ask me why

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Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:23:40 PM

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2

(just like the image shows Roll Eyes

)

My bad, I apologize for this mistake.

But anyway folks, please listen.
There is waaaay too much agressivity in this thread right now.

I'd like to rebound of the post talking about SDC awarness, I don't remember who posted it and i'm too lazy to quote it but anyway...
Shadowcash is indeed like peanuts to DRK/XMR yet and as he said, spreading the word about a coin is more important than the coin itself. Then, this thread, which includes the best anon coins, is obviously advertising SDC and I admit I thought about it while creating this thread completed by ffmad, one of the greatest Shadow community member, by his chart.

I think the chart itself can resume enough the projects without insulting each others. I mean... the chart is true, isn't it ? If he is not, then make me know and we'll make the appropriates changes.

I suggest everyone here keep his calm, bringing hate between every community won't help anyone but discrediting every coin involved.
I also apologize for my previous anger, that wasn't needed.

So please from now on, take it easy folks

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Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 08:13:59 PM

Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 08:13:59 PM

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2

(just like the image shows Roll Eyes

)

What exactly is the point that this quote is supposed to prove? Seems like smooth is just spouting some more technobabble.

Fake whitepapers, technobable quotes. Wow, what will those Monero scammers do next?

It proves these so-called "tokens" in SDC just has outputs on the blockchain, which are the exact same thing that (nearly; excluding the few that are account-based such as XCN) every other cryptocurrency. has There is no substance to this "tokens just like zerocash" talking point you pumpers came up with.

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Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2

(just like the image shows Roll Eyes

)

What exactly is the point that this quote is supposed to prove? Seems like smooth is just spouting some more technobabble.

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Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2

(just like the image shows Roll Eyes

)

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Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 07:29:13 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:26:30 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 07:21:35 PM

As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:
more pumping nonsense about "better anon" vaporware.

As implemented today there is no there there. All you have are outputs, which can be used in ring signatures. If and when they implement something different in the future such as zerocoin we can discuss that.

this is non-sequitur

For it to be a non-sequitur it would have to be incorrect. It is not.

Quote

whats the ref?

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck.
If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes.

But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit.

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:08:21 PM

Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 07:57:35 PM

+ u drop shit like "Cicada 3301" trying to flummox ur opponents with fancy terms. C'mon man… speak english

It's not a fancy term it is something that was used by the Bytecoin scammers to try to pump their stuff, the same way SDC pumpers imply some connection to zerocoin technology when there is in fact no connection at all. If you don't know about Cicada 3301 try wikipedia.

Ha! A cryptocurrency tried to market itself as being part of that? Too funny.

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Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 07:57:35 PM

+ u drop shit like "Cicada 3301" trying to flummox ur opponents with fancy terms. C'mon man… speak english

It's not a fancy term it is something that was used by the Bytecoin scammers to try to pump their stuff, the same way SDC pumpers imply some connection to zerocoin technology when there is in fact no connection at all. If you don't know about Cicada 3301 try wikipedia.

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He knows SDT are like CN/XMR (with more rings sigs)
He knows…

It doesn't have "more ring sigs." That phrase doesn't even mean anything (more technobabble). Both coins allow the user to specify the desired number of mixins in a ring sig.

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Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 07:59:01 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:03:17 PM

dont call me a dumb shit again please
Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Lulz.

Why should 'Dev's' be held to a higher standard; if you're allowed to curse at him, why can't he curse at you?

Most of today's 'Dev's' do nothing more than change a few lines of code anyway. They're over glorified.

*not directed at anyone in particular. (maybe Dan Metacalf)

smooth spends a lot of time protecting his interests on BCT.
More time than actual dev'ing IMO.

Whats wrong with this picture is all I'm asking?
NVM smooth will have a smart-ass comeback 4 sure

If you've been on these forums for more than a week you'd see that everyone has their own personal agenda no matter what. Even the person you're talking to.

So what if Smooth is affiliated with another currency. Let him voice what he thinks without hiding behind a second account.

Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 07:59:01 PM

Most of today's 'Dev's' do nothing more than change a few lines of code anyway. They're over glorified.

True but this doesn't apply to SDC or Monero or DRK.

SDC (along with several others using a similar model) is a slightly different sort of scam from most alts, where they actually did some significant coding, but then blow way out of proportion the novelty and value of it with a lot of misleading technobabble.

You're missing my point.

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Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 07:59:01 PM

Most of today's 'Dev's' do nothing more than change a few lines of code anyway. They're over glorified.

True but this doesn't apply to SDC or Monero or DRK.

SDC (along with several others using a similar model) is a slightly different sort of scam from most alts, where they actually did some significant coding, but then blow way out of proportion the novelty and value of it with a lot of misleading technobabble.

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Quote from: Propulsion on March 19, 2015, 07:59:01 PM

dont call me a dumb shit again please
Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Lulz.

Why should 'Dev's' be held to a higher standard; if you're allowed to curse at him, why can't he curse at you?

Most of today's 'Dev's' do nothing more than change a few lines of code anyway. They're over glorified.

*not directed at anyone in particular. (maybe Dan Metacalf)

smooth spends a lot of time protecting his interests on BCT.
More time than actual dev'ing IMO.

Whats wrong with this picture is all I'm asking?
NVM smooth will have a smart-ass comeback 4 sure

He knows SDT are like CN/XMR (with more rings sigs)
He knows…

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:51:22 PM

dont call me a dumb shit again please
Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Lulz.

Why should 'Dev's' be held to a higher standard; if you're allowed to curse at him, why can't he curse at you?

Most of today's 'Dev's' do nothing more than change a few lines of code anyway. They're over glorified.

*not directed at anyone in particular. (maybe Dan Metacalf)

Edit: Sine when did these 'Dev's' become peoples personal Gods? Maybe this should be a new topic all by itself.

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Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 07:55:49 PM

Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Clue for the clueless: I'm a Monero dev but I'm also a long-time cryptocurrency enthusiast and who doesn't approve of ignorant (or perhaps not ignorant; that would be worse) pumpers using technobabble to rip of non-technical investors by misleading them into believe there is more substance than there actually is.

I'm not trash-talking, I'm calling you out for exactly this sort of scamming.

In fact now that you bring it up, the entire reason I'm involved with Monero at all, is that I recognized Bytecoin for their premise/instamine/ninjamine scam complete with fake suggestions of Cicada 3301 involvement and called them out for their bullshit just like I'm doing now with SDC. The difference is they actually had some substantive new cryptographic technology that was worth rescuing.

Dude… u don't know me… don't get personal. This is about tech.

+ u drop shit like "Cicada 3301" trying to flummox ur opponents with fancy terms. C'mon man… speak english

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:51:22 PM