[DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ) - page 14.

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:51:22 PM

Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:44:36 PM

Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Clue for the clueless: I'm a Monero dev but I'm also a long-time cryptocurrency enthusiast and who doesn't approve of ignorant (or perhaps not ignorant; that would be worse) pumpers using technobabble to rip of non-technical investors by misleading them into believe there is more substance than there actually is.

I'm not trash-talking, I'm calling you out for exactly this sort of scamming.

You are the one scamming and FUDing and using the technobabble to make investors believe there is less than there actually is with SDC. It makes sense that this would be your motive as a Monero dev, because Shadow would eat into your market share and is a threat to you.

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Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:44:36 PM

Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Clue for the clueless: I'm a Monero dev but I'm also a long-time cryptocurrency enthusiast and who doesn't approve of ignorant (or perhaps not ignorant; that would be worse) pumpers using technobabble to rip of non-technical investors by misleading them into believe there is more substance than there actually is.

I'm not trash-talking, I'm calling you out for exactly this sort of scamming.

In fact now that you bring it up, the entire reason I'm involved with Monero at all, is that I recognized Bytecoin for their premine/instamine/ninjamine scam complete with fake suggestions of Cicada 3301 involvement and called them out for their bullshit just like I'm doing now with SDC. The difference is they actually had some substantive new cryptographic technology that was worth rescuing.

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@P3RS3US, dont waste your time .. did you not know CryptoNote was rebranding as Monero ...

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Quote from: illodin on March 19, 2015, 08:43:07 PM

Quote from: dasource on March 19, 2015, 08:35:08 PM

1. You/drk fanboy started this convo by saying cryptographically secured anonymous transactions are flawed to which I responded.

I don't remember anyone saying it's flawed, just that it has risks that are different than the risks in off chain anonymity.

It was in another thread also below..

Quote from: toknormal on March 18, 2015, 08:19:10 PM

The problem is that while it might be very secure in terms of 'hiding' a transaction, cryptonote puts all its eggs in one basket - a totally centralised solution. Break the cryptonote algo and you've rendered the entire money supply useless with subsequent collapse of the whole financial system based around that currency.

Now tell me how is that any difference to what would happen to DRK if ECDSA was cracked? not only is the entire DRK money supply on the line but I can pull a list of 2000 public address to raid first Wink

You cannot use one argument to suit DRK and then ignore the profound effect it has itself on DRK.

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:38:12 PM

Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:29:13 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:26:30 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:21:35 PM

As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:
more pumping nonsense about "better anon" vaporware.

As implemented today there is no there there. All you have are outputs, which can be used in ring signatures. If and when they implement something different in the future such as zerocoin we can discuss that.

this is non-sequitur

For it to be a non-sequitur it would have to be incorrect. It is not.

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whats the ref?

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

OK

Im not the tech guy
My understanding is this:

SDC is a public token traceable and linkable on the blockchain
SDT is a private token untraceable and unlinkable on the blockchaim

SDT is just as powerful as XMR

The fact u can create/destroy them for SDC might lend an advantage - i dunno

BUT

dont call me a dumb shit again please
Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?

Lulz.

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Quote from: dasource on March 19, 2015, 08:35:08 PM

1. You/drk fanboy started this convo by saying cryptographically secured anonymous transactions are flawed to which I responded.

I don't remember anyone saying it's flawed, just that it has risks that are different than the risks in off chain anonymity.

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Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:29:13 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:26:30 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:21:35 PM

As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:
more pumping nonsense about "better anon" vaporware.

As implemented today there is no there there. All you have are outputs, which can be used in ring signatures. If and when they implement something different in the future such as zerocoin we can discuss that.

this is non-sequitur

For it to be a non-sequitur it would have to be incorrect. It is not.

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whats the ref?

Try this, dumb shit:

Quote from: SDC whitepaper

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Quote from: illodin on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PM

Besides, he claimed if he has the private keys he can de-anonymize 100% of the network.

Fair point. Since we had numerous different angels on the go that was inappropriate to use in that context (you cannot deanonymize DRK by simply having all the private keys; combine that with 1. logs or 2. ddos network and its a different game) ...
However all my other points stand.

1. You/drk fanboy started this convo by saying cryptographically secured anonymous transactions are flawed to which I responded.
2. To show the weakness in your argument I also pointed out that if a random crypto algo such as ECDSA (used by both) was cracked then it would be more harmful to DRK that Shadow (since anonymous transactions are secured via other algos so therefore your entire argument about using cryptography to secure transactions has flaws as it has a much more profound affect that just anonymity).

Rest pretty much stands ...

So going back to my point, I would be more worried about a "cryptographic" breakage if I was in DRK than Shadow (1,000 DRK masternodes pubkeys here I come Wink

)

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illodin: u basterd Wink

#inglorious

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:26:30 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:21:35 PM

As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:
more pumping nonsense about "better anon" vaporware.

As implemented today there is no there there. All you have are outputs, which can be used in ring signatures. If and when they implement something different in the future such as zerocoin we can discuss that.

this is non-sequitur
whats the ref?

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Hi CH.

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Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:21:35 PM

As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:
more pumping nonsense about "better anon" vaporware.

As implemented today there is no there there. All you have are outputs, which can be used in ring signatures. If and when they implement something different in the future such as zerocoin we can discuss that.

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Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 08:21:57 PM

dumb shit?

WHo the f*ck do u think u r talking to people like that?

Don't worry I only call people that when they are actually behaving like dumb shits

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when dasource, rynomster and/or longdnsshort (or several others) realize what heppened here the Sword of Damacles will come down on you like a hurricane Angry

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:10:26 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:05:20 PM

More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.

i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.

Sigh.

I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC.

WHOOOA (that's english for stop a horse #partridge)

dumb shit?

WHo the f*ck do u think u r talking to people like that? Oh yaeh An XMR DEv

Pline is not a Shadow Dev Team member

when dasource, rynomster, longdnsshort +++(and/or several others) realize what heppened here the Sword of Damacles will come down on you like a hurricane Angry

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 08:10:26 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:05:20 PM

More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.

i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.

Sigh.

I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC.

Ohh name calling, how professional the Monero dev team is. I meant direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs. As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:

Quote from: rynomster on December 20, 2014, 10:43:17 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on December 18, 2014, 11:15:26 AM

Quote from: Longenecker on December 18, 2014, 10:52:52 AM

If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...

Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment.

Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability).

Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so..

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

You can see the foundation that they have built and its obvious the direction they are heading in. If you read the second zerocash whitepaper that includes SNARKS, possibly this is the direction they are thinking. From my understanding SNARKS are still advancing, and there are some obstacles before they will be fully out and trustless. I know you smooth will just call this vaporware. But they have built the foundation for all to see. It looks like they are indeed hitting the benchmarks needed to accomplish the stated goal.

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Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 08:05:20 PM

More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.

i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.

Sigh.

I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC.

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:51:29 PM

Quote from: Pline on March 19, 2015, 07:42:50 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:28:58 PM

Quote from: P3RS3US on March 19, 2015, 07:24:40 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:19:29 PM

Quote from: illodin on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PM

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

Quote from: illodin on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PM

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

@smooth

Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.)

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

FUD alert.

Opinion not FUD

FUD = fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

My post promoted none of those, it described what I have seen about your group's behavior. It didn't even say anything about about the coin per se, just about the idiots who post about it.

Well you are saying the minting is nothing at all like zerocoin when it is obvious there are some similarities to anyone who reads the white papers. This is why zerocoin is cited in the shadowcash whitepaper when it talks about minting. You are saying SDC is a complete copy of cryptonote, when there are many differences, which we all know. Shadow uses anonymous tokens and is on a bitcoin blockchain for one. So therefore it is FUD. Also shadow uses anonymous tokens and not direct anonymous outputs for a reason. Its because there is a plan in the future to probably implement zkSNARKS, I am guessing similar to the zerocash whitepaper.

Also Shadow is not just a cryptonote clone like Monero, its a unique system that the devs put time in to build, instead of copying and pasting.

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Quote from: solid12345 on March 19, 2015, 07:59:49 PM

Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:28:58 PM

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum

I count 396 pages on the official SDC thread (when you combine the old and new one)

1106 on the official Monero thread

4571 on the official Darkcoin thread

type "Shadowcash" into google you get 89,000 results

type "Monero" into google you get 556,000 results

type "Darkcoin" into google you get 412,000 results

When we come to the twitter world things get interesting

http://topsy.com/s?q=Monero 3.3k tweets for "Monero" in the past 30 days (granted this is skewed because apparently its some porn search term...)

http://topsy.com/s?q=Darkcoin 3,275 for "Darkcoin"

And for Shadowcash....

http://topsy.com/s?q=shadowcash&window=m Over the past 30 days there's been an astonishing 52 tweets for "Shadowcash"

Granted the popularity of Monero and Darkcoin dwarfs Shadowcash at the moment, but with more popularity definitely more shilling as a logical byproduct of this, DRK and XMR didn't just get to the top on tech alone, marketing is responsible for 50% of any coins successes in crypto.

Quote from: cryptocrap on March 19, 2015, 07:58:10 PM

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK...

Yeah what a deal, I think at the time if the deal had been done I would have received 800-1k Dark for 30k-45k SDC or something to that extent, not much of a deal to me.

^ I luv this guy
*mind=blown
ty

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Quote from: cryptocrap on March 19, 2015, 07:58:10 PM

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK... Now you are begging for investors of DRK and MONERO for that they put money in SDC and even worse, you are trying to denigrate the image of these coins as you done with several other coins.

When will you ever learn?

#bad deal #poor forever.

Thanks the Gods this unholy spawn was never born.
And who approached who btw?
C'mon… smell the coffee

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Quote from: smooth on March 19, 2015, 07:28:58 PM

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum

I count 396 pages on the official SDC thread (when you combine the old and new one)

1106 on the official Monero thread

4571 on the official Darkcoin thread

type "Shadowcash" into google you get 89,000 results

type "Monero" into google you get 556,000 results

type "Darkcoin" into google you get 412,000 results

When we come to the twitter world things get interesting

http://topsy.com/s?q=Monero 3.3k tweets for "Monero" in the past 30 days (granted this is skewed because apparently its some porn search term...)

http://topsy.com/s?q=Darkcoin 3,275 for "Darkcoin"

And for Shadowcash....

http://topsy.com/s?q=shadowcash&window=m Over the past 30 days there's been an astonishing 52 tweets for "Shadowcash"

Granted the popularity of Monero and Darkcoin dwarfs Shadowcash at the moment, but with more popularity definitely more shilling as a logical byproduct of this, DRK and XMR didn't just get to the top on tech alone, marketing is responsible for 50% of any coins successes in crypto.

Quote from: cryptocrap on March 19, 2015, 07:58:10 PM

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK...

Yeah what a deal, I think at the time if the deal had been done I would have received 800-1k Dark for 30k-45k SDC or something to that extent, not much of a deal to me.

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