The Chart is a good initiative and should be maintained/updated regularly.
I guess we'll need more updates soon 
Can we get an updated chart?
Topic: [DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ) - page 2. (Read 33664 times)
February 11, 2016, 01:09:27 PM
Can we get an updated chart?
September 16, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
Another vote for adding Boolberry and AEON. I disagree about adding DSH. It is just a BCN clone without the 80% premine right?
Mostly yes, although they did shift the decimal to the more customary position (with tens of millions of coin units in the supply instead of 100+ billion) to facilitate exchange trading.
September 16, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.
Of the coins you mentioned BBR is closest to XMR and XDN (they are PoW CryptoNote). Here are a few of its important distinctions:
On mixin issue and its relation to privacy:
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf
On blockchain bloat:
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf
The BBR emission schedule is much slower than those two coins as well. Most XDN coins were mined in the first year. XMR just passed 50% (pre tail) emission.
Development continues. This is the current focus:
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/642419677411479552
AEON and DSH are two other CryptoNote coins that deserve some attention for different reasons.
I think BBR, AEON and DSH should be added to the comparison chart
Definitely add BBR to the OP. It is absolutely worthy
Another vote for adding Boolberry and AEON. I disagree about adding DSH. It is just a BCN clone without the 80% premine right?
September 16, 2015, 03:29:30 AM
How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.
Of the coins you mentioned BBR is closest to XMR and XDN (they are PoW CryptoNote). Here are a few of its important distinctions:
On mixin issue and its relation to privacy:
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf
On blockchain bloat:
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf
The BBR emission schedule is much slower than those two coins as well. Most XDN coins were mined in the first year. XMR just passed 50% (pre tail) emission.
Development continues. This is the current focus:
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/642419677411479552
AEON and DSH are two other CryptoNote coins that deserve some attention for different reasons.
I think BBR, AEON and DSH should be added to the comparison chart
Definitely add BBR to the OP. It is absolutely worthy
September 15, 2015, 11:02:29 PM
How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.
Of the coins you mentioned BBR is closest to XMR and XDN (they are PoW CryptoNote). Here are a few of its important distinctions:
On mixin issue and its relation to privacy:
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf
On blockchain bloat:
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf
The BBR emission schedule is much slower than those two coins as well. Most XDN coins were mined in the first year. XMR just passed 50% (pre tail) emission.
Development continues. This is the current focus:
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/642419677411479552
AEON and DSH are two other CryptoNote coins that deserve some attention for different reasons.
I think BBR, AEON and DSH should be added to the comparison chart
September 15, 2015, 06:59:09 PM
Some history about SDC recently posted on their thread. I have not vetted any of this.
Personally I'd say that, after 9 months of waiting, ffmad's attack on the community for not providing the technical documentation for a tech created by the in-house cryptographer makes the shadow quote of the year: Not to mention that he, a web designer, is now helping to write the docs himself. That's a doozy.
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I see you're still invoking CH's name in IRC and reddit still…
Shadow's thread moved some time ago. Here's a link the the original. I recommend reading the first 15 pages.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7910616
TL;DR
The first 11 days. PoW. The fair launch.
The original OP giving details of the mining pool (chickenstrips) and the 20 million POW supply
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7925381
SDCDevs first ever post explaining his choice of scrypt and saying "The source will be available as soon as we launch tomorrow afternoon" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7912522
Some unhappy about scrypt ASICs
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7916958
Two hours after launch chickenstrips goes down (around block 158)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7925580
Here is the chickenstrips address:
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/address/SY91LeCzU4TM251pkRD8THHA186f7ZwDU3?display=all
From block 159 to block 3050 this solo-mining monster takes over and mines almost 400,000 in around 48hours, mostly without any competition since no pools are up and running.
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/address/SYnHd6uBbbiXitR235TTysjqLRiRDxFbZ8
LongandShorts' first post 5 days after launch
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8009798
3-4 days pass and more mining pools appear but concerns are raised are ASIC miners and the plan is changed. PoW to be cut short and only 6 million in this phase. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8106937
The rest is history.
I have requoted it so that it may live on for all of eternity in teh clouds.
Personally I'd say that, after 9 months of waiting, ffmad's attack on the community for not providing the technical documentation for a tech created by the in-house cryptographer makes the shadow quote of the year: Not to mention that he, a web designer, is now helping to write the docs himself. That's a doozy.
…
I see you're still invoking CH's name in IRC and reddit still…
Shadow's thread moved some time ago. Here's a link the the original. I recommend reading the first 15 pages.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7910616
TL;DR
The first 11 days. PoW. The fair launch.
The original OP giving details of the mining pool (chickenstrips) and the 20 million POW supply
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7925381
SDCDevs first ever post explaining his choice of scrypt and saying "The source will be available as soon as we launch tomorrow afternoon" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7912522
Some unhappy about scrypt ASICs
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7916958
Two hours after launch chickenstrips goes down (around block 158)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7925580
Here is the chickenstrips address:
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/address/SY91LeCzU4TM251pkRD8THHA186f7ZwDU3?display=all
From block 159 to block 3050 this solo-mining monster takes over and mines almost 400,000 in around 48hours, mostly without any competition since no pools are up and running.
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/address/SYnHd6uBbbiXitR235TTysjqLRiRDxFbZ8
LongandShorts' first post 5 days after launch
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8009798
3-4 days pass and more mining pools appear but concerns are raised are ASIC miners and the plan is changed. PoW to be cut short and only 6 million in this phase. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8106937
The rest is history.
Isn't it funny how one overlooks the shortcomings of those he loves?
And yet one sees more clearly without that fog.
We all wear many masks Tim and this is the last of mine. CH never posted again and all being well after this neither shall I.
ffmad's remarks were not aimed specifically at CH. Anyway the notion anybody besides ryno and TV could prepare these docs, or more specifically CH, is preposterous,
I had never examined the early days of SDC... until now. The links only serve to document the first 11 days and the dramatic change from 20 to 6 million supply, ostensibly resulting from the presence of scrypt ASIC's, which existed at the time of launch. With 90% of coins mined in the first 11 days, combined with the failure of the official mining pool, it is hard to imagine how this can be described as a "fair launch" . The release of shadow chat to coincide with said 11 day PoS wallet release also suggests the code was ready beforehand and released expediently.
Without peer review the best we got is Todd's cryptographer colleague saying the "math looks like Monero" (which really means Bytecoin I guess).
Anyway people will form their own opinions.
Bye.
And yet one sees more clearly without that fog.
We all wear many masks Tim and this is the last of mine. CH never posted again and all being well after this neither shall I.
ffmad's remarks were not aimed specifically at CH. Anyway the notion anybody besides ryno and TV could prepare these docs, or more specifically CH, is preposterous,
I had never examined the early days of SDC... until now. The links only serve to document the first 11 days and the dramatic change from 20 to 6 million supply, ostensibly resulting from the presence of scrypt ASIC's, which existed at the time of launch. With 90% of coins mined in the first 11 days, combined with the failure of the official mining pool, it is hard to imagine how this can be described as a "fair launch" . The release of shadow chat to coincide with said 11 day PoS wallet release also suggests the code was ready beforehand and released expediently.
Without peer review the best we got is Todd's cryptographer colleague saying the "math looks like Monero" (which really means Bytecoin I guess).
Anyway people will form their own opinions.
Bye.
I just thought Id take a look at the beginning of SDC before I walk away.
Saying it was a "fair launch" is a stretch and it's better to deal with it now than wait till you get further down the rabbit-hole.
The collapse of the only mining pool 60 mins after launch, resulting from a DDOS/misconfigured miners spamming the pool (see thread), does not speak to a fair launch.
At launch (when ASICs for scrypt did already exist) the Dev explains his use of scrypt by saying: "Scrypt has proven itself time and time again"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7912522
11 days later Dev says "We've given it some thought and decided that we will be cutting PoW to 31000 blocks due to ASICS and multipools hitting ShadowCoin hard." and 20 million is slashed to 6 million. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8106937
I'm not calling scam or speculating who that solo miner might have been. Neither of those things need to be claimed when asserting that this launch was NOT fair and with the collapse of the official pool 60 mins into launch actually a disaster. Im not sure why a relaunch was not proposed.
Saying it was a "fair launch" is a stretch and it's better to deal with it now than wait till you get further down the rabbit-hole.
The collapse of the only mining pool 60 mins after launch, resulting from a DDOS/misconfigured miners spamming the pool (see thread), does not speak to a fair launch.
At launch (when ASICs for scrypt did already exist) the Dev explains his use of scrypt by saying: "Scrypt has proven itself time and time again"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7912522
11 days later Dev says "We've given it some thought and decided that we will be cutting PoW to 31000 blocks due to ASICS and multipools hitting ShadowCoin hard." and 20 million is slashed to 6 million. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8106937
I'm not calling scam or speculating who that solo miner might have been. Neither of those things need to be claimed when asserting that this launch was NOT fair and with the collapse of the official pool 60 mins into launch actually a disaster. Im not sure why a relaunch was not proposed.
September 15, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
Maybe make a new thread for that?
Maybe someone completely unbiased (or as unbiased as possible) needs to start that thread.
Unfortunately, that person isn't me. Safecoin isn't just a username. It's a coin (not yet released).
And it will be ......
well, let's just say I'd like to see someone start such a thread that has the most minimal bias.
That may actually be the problem with this thread, to be honest.
August 30, 2015, 03:33:39 AM
What about more progressive coins like moneta verde, or more advanced coins like darknetcoin?
August 30, 2015, 03:20:19 AM
How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.
August 28, 2015, 12:34:43 AM
Did this thread Really just ...die out?
Maybe there really isn't anything left to say. It's been discussed to death.
I did find your earlier comment intriguing:
I'm personally more interested in some of the lesser known anonymous coins (but, often, more anonymous).
Maybe make a new thread for that?
August 28, 2015, 12:19:52 AM
Did this thread Really just ...die out?
August 16, 2015, 05:04:36 AM
(very difficult to disqualify bytecoin, without disqualifying Dash on those some qualifiers).
It's easy -- just say coins that lied about their launch time by less than a year are still included.
August 15, 2015, 09:16:32 AM
Based on the discussions above I believe bytecoin should be added to this list of the most known anonymous coins.
The only logical alternative I see is removing Dash (very difficult to disqualify bytecoin, without disqualifying Dash on those some qualifiers).
I'm personally more interested in some of the lesser known anonymous coins (but, often, more anonymous).
I hope it's okay if those can be discussed here too.
The only logical alternative I see is removing Dash (very difficult to disqualify bytecoin, without disqualifying Dash on those some qualifiers).
I'm personally more interested in some of the lesser known anonymous coins (but, often, more anonymous).
I hope it's okay if those can be discussed here too.
August 04, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
that's a decent comparison
lol@ people bashing dash
lol@ people bashing dash
August 04, 2015, 12:57:27 PM
I liked this thread until the last two pages.
What about Bytecoin? Does it not meet the requirements of most "known" anonymous coins?
Went dead for a year, but extremely active development in 2015 and extremely impressive feature list.
Second-highest market cap of Any anonymous coin (other than Dash).
What about Bytecoin? Does it not meet the requirements of most "known" anonymous coins?
Went dead for a year, but extremely active development in 2015 and extremely impressive feature list.
Second-highest market cap of Any anonymous coin (other than Dash).
Doesn't count as anonymous because 80%+ of the utxoset is owned by entities who mined them before it became public and global, which means that those entities can deanonymise pretty much all future transactions.
Marketcap is irrelevant as it's easily inflated (doubly so when all you have to do is slightly bump the price due to the massive amount that's already emitted).
Are you guys all high or something?
In crypto you have to work in worst case scenario, exspecial if anonymity is involved.
The Darkcoin/Dash 2 million dev mine is a blockchain fact and equals to 2000 masternodes.
Masternode payments so far acound for almost 600 created masternodes from masternods makes the devmine worth 2.6 million to date.
Masternodes makes Dash supposing anonymous.
I have no idea how many total masternodes exist, lets just say 3000.
So 2600 of 3000 is 86.66% of the mixing is done by instamined coins.
Thats not even worst case as no other whale is taken into consideration to be in cahoots, nor coins purchased or mined after the first day.
Even if only 51% of the premined coins provide the masternodes it is a mathematical certainty that over time 90% or more of the mixing is done by the premined coins as they ever generate more than all others together.
As it stands tomorrow 1.38 of the total 1.6 masternode payment adds to the early coins.
lol calling bytecoin not anon it has better fundamentals to start with, superior tech and ever better mixing percentages.
Calling Dash anonymous is a insult to intelligence.
Well, it's a good thing you won't be insulted then.
August 03, 2015, 08:12:02 PM
The point of the comparison is that the probability of the genesis block timestamp in Bytecoin having exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds is 1/3600 under a legitimate creation of the genesis block. All the other coins in the comparison do not have exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds in the genesis block timestamp. This is just further evidence that the Bytecoin block chain was faked 2 years after the supposed launch of Bytecoin in 2012 and furthermore that the idea that Bytecoin was launched over 18 months before Dash is fraudulent.
Edit 1: This has nothing to do with the exact time of the creation of the first Dash masternode; however I doubt that the time of the creation of the first Dash masternode has exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds.
Edit 2: The whole Bytecoin saga is covered in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blowing-the-lid-off-the-cryptonotebytecoin-scam-with-the-exception-of-monero-740112
Edit 1: This has nothing to do with the exact time of the creation of the first Dash masternode; however I doubt that the time of the creation of the first Dash masternode has exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds.
Edit 2: The whole Bytecoin saga is covered in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blowing-the-lid-off-the-cryptonotebytecoin-scam-with-the-exception-of-monero-740112
August 03, 2015, 09:07:35 AM
The timestamp for BCN block 1 is very interesting: 2012-07-04 05:00:00 Note the zeros in the minutes and seconds.
The claim of "first anonymous coin" belongs to Dash before it belongs to Bytecoin.
Edit:
For comparison:
Bitcoin block 1 timestamp: 2009-01-09 02:54:25
Dash block 1 timestamp: 2014-01-19 03:54:41
DigitalNote block 1 timestamp: 2014-05-30 21:51:26
Monero block 1 timestamp: 2014-04-18 10:49:53
ShadowCash block 1 timestamp: 2014-07-19 09:06:08
When did darkcoin's masternode mixing system go online? that's the date needed in the comparison above.
August 03, 2015, 04:01:58 AM
The timestamp for BCN block 1 is very interesting: 2012-07-04 05:00:00 Note the zeros in the minutes and seconds.
inb4 "someone hacked the BCN genesis block to have an exact time!"
August 03, 2015, 02:24:37 AM
The timestamp for BCN block 1 is very interesting: 2012-07-04 05:00:00 Note the zeros in the minutes and seconds.
The claim of "first anonymous coin" belongs to Dash before it belongs to Bytecoin.
Edit:
For comparison:
Bitcoin block 1 timestamp: 2009-01-09 02:54:25
Dash block 1 timestamp: 2014-01-19 03:54:41
DigitalNote block 1 timestamp: 2014-05-30 21:51:26
Monero block 1 timestamp: 2014-04-18 10:49:53
ShadowCash block 1 timestamp: 2014-07-19 09:06:08
August 02, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
Nice scam pump bro.
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