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That's different though. He was a felon trying to buy a firearm. It's easy to buy guns in the U.S. if you're not an ex-con. This country has no shortage of guns for sale. There are many times more guns in this country than there are people. Couldn't he just find a dirty pawn shop operator and pay 3x what the guns worth or buy one off the street in the ghetto like every other felon? The penalty isn't any worse and there's less chance of getting caught. What an imbecile. lol

Another lost soul who believed that complex technology could overcome basic stupidity.
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
lol that's the second time today I've seen members copy pasting previous comments, really hope this isn't the start of a new trend of shitposting! sig campaigners already get enough flak without spammers duplicating other people's posts.

This sort of activity brings bad name for the honest posters. Banning will do no good. These people will soon buy another account and continue their activity.

There was another case recently (think I saw it on reddit) where undercover feds set up a honeypot selling arms on a dark market. The buyer ended up going getting arrested (though there was no talk of entrapment).

Framing, entrapment and corruption seem to be the hallmarks of modern day federal agents.

Who's watching the watchmen?  Wink

Are you referring to this incident?

http://www.coindesk.com/federal-agents-arrest-boston-bitcoin-gun-buyer-in-sting-operation/

People who are residing in the United States needs to be extra vigilant when they use dark markets. Either be careful, or avoid using them. If you are careless and still want to buy guns / ammo, then get a Dominican citizenship and get the hell out of USA.


That's different though. He was a felon trying to buy a firearm. It's easy to buy guns in the U.S. if you're not an ex-con. This country has no shortage of guns for sale. There are many times more guns in this country than there are people. Couldn't he just find a dirty pawn shop operator and pay 3x what the guns worth or buy one off the street in the ghetto like every other felon? The penalty isn't any worse and there's less chance of getting caught. What an imbecile. lol
legendary
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lol that's the second time today I've seen members copy pasting previous comments, really hope this isn't the start of a new trend of shitposting! sig campaigners already get enough flak without spammers duplicating other people's posts.

This sort of activity brings bad name for the honest posters. Banning will do no good. These people will soon buy another account and continue their activity.

There was another case recently (think I saw it on reddit) where undercover feds set up a honeypot selling arms on a dark market. The buyer ended up going getting arrested (though there was no talk of entrapment).

Framing, entrapment and corruption seem to be the hallmarks of modern day federal agents.

Who's watching the watchmen?  Wink

Are you referring to this incident?

http://www.coindesk.com/federal-agents-arrest-boston-bitcoin-gun-buyer-in-sting-operation/

People who are residing in the United States needs to be extra vigilant when they use dark markets. Either be careful, or avoid using them. If you are careless and still want to buy guns / ammo, then get a Dominican citizenship and get the hell out of USA.

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Happens from time to time but someone usually spots them soon enough. Who was the other person doing it?
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The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...

Next time you quote my posts instead of simply stealing them, please ...


The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...

lol that's the second time today I've seen members copy pasting previous comments, really hope this isn't the start of a new trend of shitposting! sig campaigners already get enough flak without spammers duplicating other people's posts.

AGD
legendary
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The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...

Next time you quote my posts instead of simply stealing them, please ...


The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...
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The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...
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My thought on all this yes silk road was a dark market but im pretty sure this agents made users do even worst stuff from what their normal operations where at some point.

Cops and federal agents have been framing fake charges from time immemorial. The same has happened in the case of Silk Road as well.

There was another case recently (think I saw it on reddit) where undercover feds set up a honeypot selling arms on a dark market. The buyer ended up going getting arrested (though there was no talk of entrapment).

Framing, entrapment and corruption seem to be the hallmarks of modern day federal agents.

Who's watching the watchmen?  Wink
legendary
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My thought on all this yes silk road was a dark market but im pretty sure this agents made users do even worst stuff from what their normal operations where at some point.

Cops and federal agents have been framing fake charges from time immemorial. The same has happened in the case of Silk Road as well.
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Shocked  it looks that that temptations are hard even for agents.

Did these agents give any declaration in the case?

No.

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And that declaration are still valid even after what happened?
I don't know if they would be trustable people

It is highly unlikely that the government would ever attempt to introduce the fruits of their evidence or their testimony ever. Frankly, I don't see how it would be possible even, without an immunity order, because the agents would take the Fifth.
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My thought on all this yes silk road was a dark market but im pretty sure this agents made users do even worst stuff from what their normal operations where at some point.
even in real life, you could see how corrupt the justice system is along with the law enforcer they do it all for a # base or to gain better poll ratings.
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 Shocked  it looks that that temptations are hard even for agents.

Did these agents give any declaration in the case?
And that declaration are still valid even after what happened?
I don't know if they would be trustable people
legendary
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My sign was that withdrawals had stopped, this was about 5 months before they closed, i think or a little shorter. but I couldn't withdraw anything from there, then one day boom, it worked, got every satoshi out of there, plus the govt had seized funds from dwolla and their bank, granted it was because of bad agents, but we didnt know that at the time. To me it was a no brainer. I think ive read some posts here from mt.gox members that basically said the same thing.

But, i think most of the people that lost their coin didnt pay attention to the market like some of us. when I mined, I thought and studied bitcoin all day long. Those that just had a few bucks to invest, just put their faith into mt.gox and missed the signs. its not their fault at all, im just saying.. The ones I dont feel too my sympathy for are those that had the same feelings as myself but did nothing about it. well, i still feel bad, but not as bad as those that didnt have the time to keep track of bitcoin on a daily basis.

i think, like with the bad agents, we will eventually find out what happened. Now we have another possibility in the mix.

You were just lucky. See... Mt Gox had such a good reputation around here, at least until the end of 2013. Sometimes people get blinded by a feeling of trust, that they ignore the risks.
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I've been trying to educate people on bitcoin since I knew about bitcoin. I explained to my uncle, who is an attorney, and when we talked 6 months or so ago, the only thing he can remember about bitcoin is the mtgox scam. So, it totally turned him off to bitcoin. Im sure it turned millions off as well. Those that  understand it, are used to the scams, unfortunately. but bitcoin is going to be hard to go mainstream with so much bad publicity. plus the mt gox deal wasnt small, hundreds of millions are missing...I feel bad for those that lost money on mtgox, but I saw the writing on the wall way before they went under and was lucky to get all my coins off it. I dont understand why so many people didnt see the signs?

A total of BTC850,000 and tens of millions of USD in cash was stolen from Mt Gox. But I disagree with you about the warning signals. There were no warnings of any type. Else, most of the users could have withdrawn their coins.

My sign was that withdrawals had stopped, this was about 5 months before they closed, i think or a little shorter. but I couldn't withdraw anything from there, then one day boom, it worked, got every satoshi out of there, plus the govt had seized funds from dwolla and their bank, granted it was because of bad agents, but we didnt know that at the time. To me it was a no brainer. I think ive read some posts here from mt.gox members that basically said the same thing.

But, i think most of the people that lost their coin didnt pay attention to the market like some of us. when I mined, I thought and studied bitcoin all day long. Those that just had a few bucks to invest, just put their faith into mt.gox and missed the signs. its not their fault at all, im just saying.. The ones I dont feel too my sympathy for are those that had the same feelings as myself but did nothing about it. well, i still feel bad, but not as bad as those that didnt have the time to keep track of bitcoin on a daily basis.

i think, like with the bad agents, we will eventually find out what happened. Now we have another possibility in the mix.
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I've been trying to educate people on bitcoin since I knew about bitcoin. I explained to my uncle, who is an attorney, and when we talked 6 months or so ago, the only thing he can remember about bitcoin is the mtgox scam. So, it totally turned him off to bitcoin. Im sure it turned millions off as well. Those that  understand it, are used to the scams, unfortunately. but bitcoin is going to be hard to go mainstream with so much bad publicity. plus the mt gox deal wasnt small, hundreds of millions are missing...I feel bad for those that lost money on mtgox, but I saw the writing on the wall way before they went under and was lucky to get all my coins off it. I dont understand why so many people didnt see the signs?

A total of BTC850,000 and tens of millions of USD in cash was stolen from Mt Gox. But I disagree with you about the warning signals. There were no warnings of any type. Else, most of the users could have withdrawn their coins.

Many people were aware of (mainly fiat) withdrawal issues, but I think few suspected things were as bad as they were. Probably a lot could have been saved had Gox been frank about it earlier.
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you guys seems to fail to see that Mark kapeles is DPR cause he ran and gave the bitcoins to the government.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_A6UVqeBGI&feature=youtu.be



your assumption implies that the US gov was willing to be corrupted, accepting coins not beloging to Karpeles, for not imprisonating him for being DPR?
fascinating
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Think of it as a bail out for Mark K
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you guys seems to fail to see that Mark kapeles is DPR cause he ran and gave the bitcoins to the government.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_A6UVqeBGI&feature=youtu.be



your assumption implies that the US gov was willing to be corrupted, accepting coins not beloging to Karpeles, for not imprisonating him for being DPR?
fascinating
sr. member
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Both of you are right, but if you had paid attention to what Mark did, Im sure the coins went to the government.
Mark is Def favorite for the GOV.  Let them rejoice cause now is our jobs to teach btc to the future generations, forget most of the old timers.  Is the new gen we have to push btc too.  They are going to be the programmers and developers of the future.  They hold the power to rid of gov corruption
legendary
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I've been trying to educate people on bitcoin since I knew about bitcoin. I explained to my uncle, who is an attorney, and when we talked 6 months or so ago, the only thing he can remember about bitcoin is the mtgox scam. So, it totally turned him off to bitcoin. Im sure it turned millions off as well. Those that  understand it, are used to the scams, unfortunately. but bitcoin is going to be hard to go mainstream with so much bad publicity. plus the mt gox deal wasnt small, hundreds of millions are missing...I feel bad for those that lost money on mtgox, but I saw the writing on the wall way before they went under and was lucky to get all my coins off it. I dont understand why so many people didnt see the signs?

A total of BTC850,000 and tens of millions of USD in cash was stolen from Mt Gox. But I disagree with you about the warning signals. There were no warnings of any type. Else, most of the users could have withdrawn their coins.
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Yeah I guess Mark had no reason to hand over the MTGOX bitcoins to the government, did you already forgot about the corruption?  

I dont see him in prison and bet you if Ross was in Japan they would have still put the blame on him.

Mark Karpeles is the guy who single-handedly destroyed the reputation of Bitcoin. The negativity which Bitcoin received after the Mt Gox scandal is going to stay for many years to come. Also, Karpeles destroyed the life savings of tens of thousands of people, some of who were among the earliest adapters of Bitcoin.

So in short, Karpeles is the no.1 enemy of Bitcoin, which makes him a friend of the bankers and oligarchs.

Ive been trying to educate people on bitcoin since I knew about bitcoin. I explained to my uncle, who is an attorney, and when we talked 6 months or so ago, the only thing he can remember about bitcoin is the mtgox scam. So, it totally turned him off to bitcoin. Im sure it turned millions off as well. Those that  understand it, are used to the scams, unfortunately. but bitcoin is going to be hard to go mainstream with so much bad publicity. plus the mt gox deal wasnt small, hundreds of millions are missing...I feel bad for those that lost money on mtgox, but I saw the writing on the wall way before they went under and was lucky to get all my coins off it. I dont understand why so many people didnt see the signs?
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