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legendary
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August 09, 2022, 01:56:37 PM
You're right that I don't often change my Trust list.

This seems to be true.

At least five of your twenty-one UID's that you currently trust have been inactive for over one to two years and about ten or eleven of those you currently distrust (including three who are now banned) have been inactive for over one year to upwards of 1,200 days.
legendary
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August 09, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
You're right that I don't often change my Trust list.
If you are using the system as the way you should (you do of course), you don't need to change the trust list every now and then. I have included users in my trust list because they provide feedback which I think worthy to look at when I trade. I'm also don't change the trust list every now and then. There was an issue earlier which forced me to edit my trust list. Though I'm thinking of going with Default Trust instead of having custom trust list as it creates some issue sometimes. I don’t want them at all.
legendary
Activity: 3290
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
August 09, 2022, 09:29:16 AM
I'm taking this post here (so I don't continue off-topic):
I've discussed some of JollyGood's negative tags a few times (probably in Reputation), but gave up after it seemed futile. He must have had enough of it, and stopped trusting my judgement last May.
Why didn't you add starmyc to your Trust list? His feedback seems reasonable, and that would mean he'd be on DT2 when you're on DT1, and would level the playing field a bit

I see you suggest others modify their trust list which is very good. I have checked your trust list and look like you have made only two changes in the last 12 Months (You Included o_e_l_e_o and excluded mdayonliner). That means you care a lot about whom you trust and distrust.
You're right that I don't often change my Trust list. I don't really like being the one who adds someone onto DT2 unless I feel like it's absolutely deserved. I'm less worried about the DT1-voting, because that's much more decentralized than DT2 (once you're on DT1).
I've explained the reasoning behind all my exclusions in Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?.

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I have you on my Trust list and I am curious why don't you modify your trust list and make it bigger so that I can see more accurate feedback?
Allow me to return the question: Why don't you make yours bigger if you want more accurate feedback? Wink

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People use their Trust List and Feedback power as daily routine things.
I try to be conservative with the feedback I leave, so that it still means something.
copper member
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1901
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August 09, 2022, 05:17:33 AM
Now he's not even able to post here anymore

He is not able to post here anymore?
OgN is referring to Vod. If what OgN says is true about Vod not being able to post here anymore, my speculation is that there is a restraining order.
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 2262
BTC or BUST
August 08, 2022, 06:36:56 PM
Now he's not even able to post here anymore

He is not able to post here anymore?
hero member
Activity: 1659
Merit: 687
LoyceV on the road. Or couch.
August 02, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
What on earth did that user do to get blacklisted?
He asked nicely, just like most other blacklisted users.
donator
Activity: 4760
Merit: 4323
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
August 02, 2022, 02:06:01 PM
Note: there's one more added than removed because one user was blacklisted from DT1 in the past month.

What on earth did that user do to get blacklisted?  Vod laughed at theymos' threat to blacklist him and went on doing exactly what theymos threatened him for doing, while lying, abusing the trust network, attempting to extort me, reporting me to government agencies with false information, as well as harassing my friends and family outside of this forum and trying to get others here to do the same.  Now he's not even able to post here anymore, yet he's still in the default trust network.  So I'm curious what this blacklisted person did.  What, did they post here that Bitcoin was created to be a p2p payment network or something?
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
August 01, 2022, 05:06:26 PM
Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Donator OgNasty (Trust: +72 / =4 / -6) (1895 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Donator qwk (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (2326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Dabs (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (895 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary philipma1957 (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (3555 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary vizique (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (597 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary greenplastic (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (902 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (784 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary nutildah (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (4344 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +25 / =1 / -0) (506 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary sandy-is-fine (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary SFR10 (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (1716 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (1100 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (611 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary webtricks (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary Baofeng (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (1207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1001 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (1731 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary Coin-1 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1660 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (11337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary bitmover (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (3592 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary cabalism13 (Trust: #  +11 / =3 / -7) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (10132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary The Cryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (2008 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (3025 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Sr. Member The0ldl_lser (Trust: neutral) (484 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Hero Member Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (863 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Legendary cygan (Trust: +54 / =0 / -0) (2323 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary Foxpup (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1495 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (2005 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +25 / =2 / -0) (1991 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary buckrogers (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (168 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (5957 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary ezeminer (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary LoyceV (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (10581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary The Pharmacist (Trust: +28 / =3 / -0) (4381 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1686 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary condoras (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (586 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Copper Member Coin_trader (Trust: +7 / =3 / -0) (312 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (687 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1074 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -3) (1102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Hero Member RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (593 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Hero Member igehhh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (945 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (2898 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary El duderino_ (Trust: +30 / =1 / -0) (8960 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary Trofo (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (1489 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1312 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (1517 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (4594 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary YOSHIE (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1530 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member rxalts (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Ratimov (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (8057 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary Rikafip (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (3663 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Note: there's one more added than removed because one user was blacklisted from DT1 in the past month.
legendary
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July 02, 2022, 02:39:39 AM
Theymos reshuffled DT1 (last night).

Removed:
    1. Legendary cygan (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (2144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary Foxpup (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1479 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (1933 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. Legendary peloso (Trust: +1 / =3 / -5) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (1841 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. Legendary buckrogers (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (168 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. Legendary DaveF (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (3249 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +49 / =0 / -0) (931 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. Legendary bill gator (Trust: +15 / =3 / -4) (622 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (5794 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary The Pharmacist (Trust: +28 / =3 / -0) (4268 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. Legendary TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (1160 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. Hero Member phishead (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (318 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary condoras (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (585 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. Copper Member Coin_trader (Trust: +8 / =3 / -0) (304 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. Legendary Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1030 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +0 / =3 / -2) (1100 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. Hero Member RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (587 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. Legendary El duderino_ (Trust: +25 / =1 / -0) (8758 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. Legendary Trofo (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (1436 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: neutral) (362 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. Sr. Member Agrawas (Trust: +51 / =0 / -0) (457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1194 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1517 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (733 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. Legendary YOSHIE (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. Legendary Ratimov (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (7838 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. Legendary Rikafip (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (3515 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
    1. Global Moderator mprep (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1437 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary Dabs (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (888 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1170 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +12 / =10 / -0) (906 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. Staff EFS (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (381 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. Staff dbshck (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (410 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. Legendary greenplastic (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1180 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (892 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. Legendary NeuroticFish (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (3507 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. Staff achow101 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3847 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary nutildah (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (4299 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. Staff sapta (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (1960 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. Legendary Real-Duke (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (2499 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. Legendary johhnyUA (Trust: +1 / =1 / -1) (1228 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (1044 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. Hero Member polymerbit (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (543 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. Legendary buwaytress (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (1914 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. Hero Member Kryptowerk (Trust: +41 / =0 / -0) (708 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. Hero Member julerz12 (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (435 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. Copper Member nullius (Trust: +5 / =4 / -3) (2461 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (971 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. Legendary Veleor (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1544 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. Legendary cabalism13 (Trust: #  +11 / =3 / -7) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. Legendary Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1926 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (530 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   30. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (1224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   31. Hero Member bullrun2020bro (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2536 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
legendary
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June 29, 2022, 08:41:15 PM
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nullius, will you kindly fuck off back to farming merit in WO. …. Thanks muchly.
Oh jeezus sm, don’t encourage him. His endless blah blah ramblings over there are annoying enough as it is.
legendary
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June 29, 2022, 09:39:50 AM
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nullius, will you kindly fuck off back to farming merit in WO. This thread is about DT, not about you necro-lecturing everyone with your month-old sockpuppet account. Thanks muchly.
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June 29, 2022, 09:01:38 AM
No matter what system is in place, there will always be people complaining of the DT mafia or something ridiculous.

It is not ridiculous.  Just because it is the annoying refrain of scammers caught with their hands in the cookie jar doesn’t make it untrue:  Helping oneself to those proverbial cookies is a privilege of such persons as you.

You, yahoo, spent a very long time running an ad campaign for a scam.  Everyone knew it was a scam.  It caused massive controversy.  You did it anyway.  It must have paid well.

When a DT finally stood up and declared that he would tag you for this, he had the unwavering support of exactly one other DT.  He was promptly ~kicked out of DT, under the flimsy rubric of your supporters taking a twisted, self-contradictory position in a contemporaneous case.  His only 100% firm supporter in DT soon left the forum forever—probably for other reasons, but certainly in a state of disillusionment.

To the best of my knowledge, you never paid any consequences for any of this.  Under the public pressure raised by someone who essentially sacrificed his DT status to oppose you, you finally stopped advertising a massive scam—and that was that.  You walked away scot-free, with whatever profit you had thereto gained from your running of signature campaigns for exactly the type of scam that is designed to swindle naïve newbies.  IMO, you deserve permanent negative trust feedback and a Type-1 flag.

You kept your reputation, your business, your DT status.  You comfortably and hypocritically ridicule talk about a “DT mafia”, when you yourself are exemplary of it.

Perhaps I should not be so surprised.  Once upon a time, theymos, this forum’s administrator, used to advertise in his own signature an overt “Get Rich Quick... Bitcoin Ponzi scheme” (quote-unquote).  In the same era, in that cultural atmosphere, this forum was a tower of HYIP scams crowned by pirateat40.  It was worse than the sleaziest parts of defi today; perhaps it has not changed as much as I had believed.

We need to hold an election or something
We should hold elections every 6 months or year,

Democracy. Roll Eyes

New DT is the result of theymos abdicating the responsibilities of sound leadership.  Old DT was bad:  Instead of fixing it, theymos made it worse.  Fixing it would be too much trouble:  It would surely require cracking down on some high-trust, high-inclusion users who are thoroughly, very profitably corrupt.


Back in the day when it was 12 users or whatnot, DT meant alot.

https://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html



HTH.


I was going through all of my PMs, a lot of which I kept from my early days on the forum, and I came across this back-and-forth between myself and Blazed.  It  just goes to show you (anyone who might not be familiar with how things were prior to Theymos's rejigging of the DT system) that being added to DT2--not even DT1, which was the holy grail for trusted aspirants back then--was a pretty big deal.



Plus if I recall correctly, Blazed had to run it by his DT "sponsor" to see if it was cool, and there had to be two DT1 members adding me to their trust list just for me to get on DT2.  Hilariousandco did me the honors.

And then I got booted off a short time later for some reason, and then re-added not long after that.  2018 was all about strangeness on bitcointalk.

Did you ask Blazed before showing that off?

Personal Messages are not private.  There is no rule against disclosing them; and sometimes, they should be published.  For good reasons—I think that excessive reluctance to publish PMs that show wrongdoing has sometimes caused long-term damage to the community.

Publishing PMs to brag and show off seems like an exercise of poor judgment, at best.
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June 08, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
I was going through all of my PMs, a lot of which I kept from my early days on the forum, and I came across this back-and-forth between myself and Blazed.  It  just goes to show you (anyone who might not be familiar with how things were prior to Theymos's rejigging of the DT system) that being added to DT2--not even DT1, which was the holy grail for trusted aspirants back then--was a pretty big deal.



Plus if I recall correctly, Blazed had to run it by his DT "sponsor" to see if it was cool, and there had to be two DT1 members adding me to their trust list just for me to get on DT2.  Hilariousandco did me the honors.

And then I got booted off a short time later for some reason, and then re-added not long after that.  2018 was all about strangeness on bitcointalk.
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June 05, 2022, 03:21:35 PM
I think the intention is to make individual trust ratings less meaningful and to encourage people to make independent judgments about the risk to dealing with a person, rather than relying on the subjective opinions of a few people.

I'd agree. Introducing a lottery would seem designed to make DT dysfunctional to experienced users and encourage them to exclude default trust and rely on their own chosen trust list. But at the same time leaving a DT system in place where actual scammers will still be likely to be seen as tagged by newbies who haven't worked out how to use the trust system yet. If the idea had really been to make it some kind of democracy then it would be based on the most votes counting. No democracy enters all candidates with a minimum number of votes into a lottery.
I don’t even think it is a matter of if a particular rating shows up by default or not. I think the intention is to get people to look at the context of the rating and it’s references and come to their own conclusion. This reduces the impact of a frivolous negative or positive rating, while maintaining the ability of the community to warn others about potential scammers.
legendary
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June 05, 2022, 06:30:17 AM

If hundreds of users would be selected in the future, I plan to instead choose a random subset of about 100 eligible users each time.

And we're not at "hundreds" yet, so it seems fully within theymos' expectations and I wouldn't expect any such changes any time soon.
theymos is currently selecting 100 random, eligible users to be on DT1 each month. He has been doing this for the past 3 years.

So? My point was we have only ~120 candidates, while theymos seemed to have expected to reach "hundreds", therefore stricter eligibility requirements are unlikely.

Not sure why you quote me with a response that isn't relevant to what I'm saying or what I'm replying to. Make a post without quoting if you want to say something unrelated.
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June 05, 2022, 01:50:49 AM
I think the intention is to make individual trust ratings less meaningful and to encourage people to make independent judgments about the risk to dealing with a person, rather than relying on the subjective opinions of a few people.

I'd agree. Introducing a lottery would seem designed to make DT dysfunctional to experienced users and encourage them to exclude default trust and rely on their own chosen trust list. But at the same time leaving a DT system in place where actual scammers will still be likely to be seen as tagged by newbies who haven't worked out how to use the trust system yet. If the idea had really been to make it some kind of democracy then it would be based on the most votes counting. No democracy enters all candidates with a minimum number of votes into a lottery.
legendary
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June 04, 2022, 03:04:00 PM
How the hell did wolwoo end up on DT, anyway?
The DT1-lottery doesn't account for exclusions, but he had DT1-strength (-15) until the most recent change:
Yeah, I'm aware of the lack of exclusions and such, but I could have sworn that wolwoo was booted off DT (presumably for good) a long time ago.  I haven't checked yet, but I think I have him on my exclusion list, and I wouldn't have put him there had there not been some kind of incident (which I'm only vaguely remembering, but I do think there was one).

This new way is terrible, seems like anyone can make DT. Back in the day when it was 12 users or whatnot, DT meant alot. I agree something needed to change, but 100 DT1 users is crazy. We need to hold an election or something and elect 20 users for DT1.
Yeah, you were around to remember the old days, as were a number of members I'm seeing in this thread--not all of whom were on DT back in the day, but I'm sure they remember how difficult it was to get on even DT2.  When I was being "vetted" for DT2, hilariousandco/Blazed/Lauda started a discussion about new additions, and it was a big deal.  It should be a big deal, because of how much power-through-feedback comes with it, as well as the power to potentially scam because of DT status.  I've said this probably 30 times: "Master-P, anyone?".

A group of 20 is too small for DT1, especially given how many members there are on the forum right now, but I do think it should be smaller than what it is.  DT1s can create DT2s, so I'm sure all the smarty-smart people here can do the math as to what tweaking the system can do (and has done).

theymos is currently selecting 100 random, eligible users to be on DT1 each month. He has been doing this for the past 3 years.
Man, has it been that long?!  Time certainly does fly, doesn't it?  I guess that's why it seems like I haven't been paying attention to DT goings-on for what seems like forever.  I stopped caring once Theymos implemented the rotation system, though it didn't turn out to be a complete disaster like I thought it might.
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June 04, 2022, 02:42:13 PM
You don't think it already looks like that? No matter what system is in place, there will always be people complaining of the DT mafia or something ridiculous. We should hold elections every 6 months or year, 20 DT members selected and they are allowed 20 inclusions to DT2. I'm not trying to exclude people but at the same time, half of them don't even know what the hell they are doing or are scammers waiting to be caught.
Reducing number of people will only create more complains from majority members and they will say how it's impossible to ever become DT member.
I didn't reducing number of DT members is bad, but you would exclude some very good members that are contributing forum a lot.
As for scammers part, I am not so sure, but you can post information in public if you know DT1 scammers, don't speak in codes.
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June 04, 2022, 02:10:40 AM

If hundreds of users would be selected in the future, I plan to instead choose a random subset of about 100 eligible users each time.

And we're not at "hundreds" yet, so it seems fully within theymos' expectations and I wouldn't expect any such changes any time soon.
theymos is currently selecting 100 random, eligible users to be on DT1 each month. He has been doing this for the past 3 years.


Oh, if only we could go back to the old days when being on the DT list actually meant something.
I think the intention is to make individual trust ratings less meaningful and to encourage people to make independent judgments about the risk to dealing with a person, rather than relying on the subjective opinions of a few people.
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June 04, 2022, 01:01:11 AM
This new way is terrible, seems like anyone can make DT. Back in the day when it was 12 users or whatnot, DT meant alot. I agree something needed to change, but 100 DT1 users is crazy. We need to hold an election or something and elect 20 users for DT1.
Only 20 DT1 members for forum that has thousands of active users (and millions of registered) is not good, and it would look more like a closed cult or a sect of specially elected users.


You don't think it already looks like that? No matter what system is in place, there will always be people complaining of the DT mafia or something ridiculous. We should hold elections every 6 months or year, 20 DT members selected and they are allowed 20 inclusions to DT2. I'm not trying to exclude people but at the same time, half of them don't even know what the hell they are doing or are scammers waiting to be caught.
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