Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 11. (Read 84385 times)

I'll answer this question from another topic here:
Trust lists from users without posts aren't shown in theymos' data dump. See theymos: what's the policy on Nuked accounts and Trust lists?

If you would add only that user to your Trust list, you'd probably see his Trust list still exists.

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (8058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary SebastianJu (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (74 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Staff malevolent (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary yxt (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (77 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Donator qwk (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (2229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary cygan (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (1683 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary fronti (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (277 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary philipma1957 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (3126 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +20 / =2 / -0) (1447 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Staff dbshck (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (409 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary mindrust (Trust: neutral) (1193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary klarki (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (674 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Hero Member muslol67 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (420 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary The Pharmacist (Trust: +29 / =3 / -0) (3960 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary DarkStar_ (Trust: +58 / =1 / -0) (1794 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (587 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1664 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Copper Member bL4nkcode (Trust: #  +17 / =2 / -4) (802 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary xtraelv (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1747 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (779 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Hero Member Kryptowerk (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (674 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (861 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary krogothmanhattan (Trust: +82 / =1 / -0) (1875 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Hero Member RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (529 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary xenon131 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (1141 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (2430 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary joniboini (Trust: neutral) (1545 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary asche (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (1485 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1750 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (7914 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Legendary madnessteat (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (1429 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (732 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Legendary phantastisch (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Staff Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1052 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary vizique (Trust: +37 / =0 / -0) (597 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (1268 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (2521 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (870 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Avirunes (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +41 / =0 / -0) (542 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (197 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Staff achow101 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary examplens (Trust: +4 / =4 / -0) (645 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +28 / =2 / -0) (1839 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary bitbollo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (1126 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (1443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary SFR10 (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (1367 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Hero Member phishead (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary TryNinja (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (3247 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary condoras (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (576 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Copper Member Csmiami (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1067 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary JollyGood (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (983 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1666 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Steamtyme (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (1912 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (2606 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary dkbit98 (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3313 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (2235 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (2638 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (449 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Sr. Member The0ldl_lser (Trust: neutral) (402 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +24 / =1 / -0) (1188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Legendary Rikafip (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (2767 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Hero Member Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (795 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I think it means that some of the 31 replaced ceased to be eligible this month. So more people were replaced than missed out.

No, it doesn't. There are 100 users in DT1.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Does this mean there are just 96 UID's who are now on DT1 (+/-) Status?

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Legendary Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =1 / -2) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Administrator Cyrus (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (782 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Staff Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1738 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +12 / =10 / -1) (792 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary yogg (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (1893 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (2394 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (865 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Avirunes (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Hero Member Lydian (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (499 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +27 / =1 / -1) (131 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Staff achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (3389 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary teeGUMES (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary examplens (Trust: +4 / =4 / -0) (619 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +30 / =3 / -0) (1805 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary bitbollo (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary ezeminer (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1433 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary SFR10 (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (1280 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Hero Member phishead (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary TryNinja (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (3222 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (870 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary condoras (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (544 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Copper Member Coin_trader (Trust: +7 / =3 / -0) (261 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary JollyGood (Trust: +14 / =1 / -3) (981 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (2550 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (3090 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (2149 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary cabalism13 (Trust: #  +11 / =2 / -7) (1160 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (2606 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary Rikafip (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (2709 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Legendary SebastianJu (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (74 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary yxt (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (63 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Donator qwk (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (2183 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary fronti (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (277 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Sr. Member Ticked (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (219 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Staff EFS (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (281 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Staff dbshck (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (409 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary mindrust (Trust: neutral) (1185 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary Lesbian Cow (Trust: +54 / =0 / -0) (718 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (902 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary klarki (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (620 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary LoyceV (Trust: +32 / =1 / -0) (8752 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (587 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1652 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Lafu (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (1592 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary xtraelv (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary duesoldi (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1598 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Hero Member bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (698 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Hero Member be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -5) (409 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (817 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary sheenshane (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (962 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (314 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Copper Member logfiles (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1061 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1060 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1800 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (7650 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (2016 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary 1miau (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (3404 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Hero Member Ratimov (Trust: +16 / =0 / -2) (6074 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Hero Member zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =2 / -1) (2804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Hero Member NotATether (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (2483 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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I'm back

icopress does not speak on my behalf.

I'm using this for a few months and I'm very grateful of BPIP system.


hmm, I see. thanks

I am a little late in answering but ... You don't have this badge as Timelord2067 has the right to vote this month and he voted ^{[Ctrl + F your username]} against you (he doesn't trust you, probably for the same reason why he doesn't trust others). For this reason, you are not on DT1 and the members you trust are not directly DT2 (if you are wondering why your trust rating has dropped).

See: [β] BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome.

I'm curious too, I'm not very much into the DT system, My name does show in the DT Update log for this month, but I don't see a tag on my profile as you do.

I see another pattern, when I was active last year I was on DT2 a lot, now since I'm less active this year I've been only on DT1, lol.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

I things we clarified everything now Thank you, LoyceV!


I was also thinking that I am doing this while writing my post


Yup, correct, that's what I knew.


And yes, this is what I meant:




Thank you suchmoon, now I understand better. In conclusion, any DT1 and DT2 can alterate a user's (real) Trust score, but DT 3 and DT4 can't. And DT2 are able to as by default the Trust depth is set to 2.

You're overcomplicating this

The purpose of ";dt" is to override any of your personal trust settings and show the ratings how they would look like to a newbie who just registered on the forum (or anyone who doesn't have custom trust settings). Not sure what you mean by "real" score but it sounds like it's the same as ";dt". And as LoyceV said, it is always depth=2 because that's the default setting for new users. That's the "specification" you're looking for.

Correct.

Nope.

Nope.

This shows feedback as seen with only DefaultTrust and Trust depth 2 (AKA anyone who hasn't changed their Trust list).

That's what I always assumed. But it's easy to test: change the depth to 1, and see if my feedback changes. I just tried: it's the same. So ";dt" works as expected and has nothing to do with your personal settings.

Uhm, from the above mentioned quote it seems I was not, perhaps, too clear. What I meant is this: I know that if I set my Trust settings to 1, 2, 3 or 4 the Trust scores of others will be shown (to me) being influenced by my Trust list and the Trust depth I set. But if I choose to see a profile by adding a ";dt" at the end of its URL, I should see its Trust score as seen by DT, correct?

And seeing that DT2 users can also influence the "real" score, I was wondering if DT3 or DT4 can influence the real score too. By "real" score I mean the score seen when adding a ";dt" at the end of the profile URL. So practically if a DT2 user gives a positive feedback to a profile, the profile's positive score appears as "+1" when seen with the ";dt" added to its URL. Does the same happen if a DT3 or DT4 user adds a positive feedback? This should not be influenced by the Trust depth you set yourself, nor by your custom Trust list, if you look at the respective profile with thew ";dt" added at the end of its URL, right...?

And regarding this part


It may have been always this way (and I am sure of this)... What I was wondering about is that it is not specified anyway that DT2 users can also influence the "real" Trust score of a user, by giving a positive / negative / neutral feedback. However, we go again to the above part: if you set the depth to any value, it should not matter when viewing the profile with the ";dt" at the end of its URL... Do I understand this part wrongfully.? Or, rather, did I explain better now what I wanted to say...?

That's normal, and as far as I know has always been this way. By default, the Trust settings use Trust depth 2.

Yes, change the Trust depth. Anything above 2 is likely to make that page very slow to load.
Note that the Trust depth doesn't only apply to DefaultTrust, it applies to your own custom Trust list too. So you trust the inclusions of the users who are on your own Trust list and the users on their Trust lists.
See Personal Full Trust Depth viewer for all users for the large recursive implications this has. If you want an update: post there.

I just noticed something and I thought it's better to post here instead of starting a new topic...

So I knew that the feedbacks given by DT (I mean DT1) users change the Trust score but I noticed that also DT2 users' feedbacks change the Trust score. I was not aware of this. Is this normal? I checked this by looking at a profile URL and adding ";dt" at the end of the URL, of course, in order to see that profile the way it shows when being watched from DT perspective.

I searched for some reference about who exactly can modify the Trust score (within topics like Marketplace trust, Minor trust score algorithm change or current topic itself), but all I could find was inside a topic written in 2018 by S_Therapist ([Explained] How Trust Score is calculated):


From the above mentioned sentence it's reflected the fact that DT users' feedbacks can influence the Trust score. However, I did not see this information in the "official" threads, nor other information specifying if DT2 users can also influence Trust score.


Furthermore, if DT2 users can influence Trust score, is there any other level of DT which can influence it (DT3 / DT4)?