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donator
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September 18, 2014, 02:28:34 PM
But the part about "insider information" and "might as well be considered part of the team" is complete bullshit.

I confirm. The core team is a fixed group of seven people, and they are not looking for new members.

There is/soon-will-be a separate group MEW, Monero Economy Workgroup, similar to foundation that some coins have. The group has tentatively 17 members, including me, and some but not all of the members of the core team.

As for inside information, MEW has a chat where Monero-specific news are quickly announced. If this sounds interesting to you, the membership of the group is open for all, as soon as we get some paperwork done.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
My question to smooth and other Monero developers is, "Has BCX revealed any exploit to any of you?", because the posts I've read from smooth seem to be wordsmithed in such a way as to avoid definitively answering that question.

No. You are reading into wordsmithing that doesn't exist.

rpietilla may not be part of the core team but he is heavily vested and has personal ties to someone that is.  As such he has access to insider information and is able to use that information to his advantage.  He might as well be considered part of the team.

Who is the person he has personal ties to?

I don't know what "personal ties" refers to exactly, but he certainly is friendly with several of the developers and I think David was going to be staying at his castle for a while. I'm not sure if that is still the plan, but regardless it has nothing to do with Risto's relationship to the project or (non) position in it.

But the part about "insider information" and "might as well be considered part of the team" is complete bullshit.
newbie
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September 18, 2014, 02:06:24 PM
In XMR there exist a flaw involving the keyrings that under the right conditions will allow an attacker to steal your wallets and hijack your addresses. To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed.

The bullshit part is in bold (well it's all bullshit). There may be an exploit in XMR that may work under some theoretical circumstances, but unless Ronald Rivest and Adi Shamir (the R & S from RSA cryptography) screwed up in a way that has not been detected by everyone in the field of cryptography, there is no need to sacrifice anonymity for "keyrings" (i.e. the ring signature system).

You are probably thinking of the Shamir transform which converts an interactive Zero Knowledge Proof (ZKP) into an non-interactive one (NIZKP) by employing a one-way cryptographic hash function. Or you are thinking of their separate invention of ring signatures.

That doesn't necessarily apply to CN's one-time ring signatures because these are a novel merging of NIZKP and ring-signatures to make them one-time use.

My wild guess without studying the math again in the CN whitepaper, is any exploit (if any) has something to do with finding collisions or preimages in the NIZKP that makes it possible to forge a one-time ring signature under certain conditions. I had intuitions to look at potential weaknesses such as this but didn't have time to pursue it. Afaik, CN's one-time ring signature invention was not vetted by significant cryptanalysis.

My question to smooth and other Monero developers is, "Has BCX revealed any exploit to any of you?", because the posts I've read from smooth seem to be wordsmithed in such a way as to avoid definitively answering that question.

P.S. I am AnonyMint.

rpietilla may not be part of the core team but he is heavily vested and has personal ties to someone that is.  As such he has access to insider information and is able to use that information to his advantage.  He might as well be considered part of the team.

Who is the person he has personal ties to?

Second, Most PoW zealots can't seem to see into the future like I (and a lot of other people.. the PoS crowd) can in regards to the inevitable centralization of PoW mining. No PoW algorithm can be ASIC proof.. it is not possible. Due to this and economies of scale, all forms of PoW mining will slowly go from decentralized to centralized as large mining conglomerates take over the block chain. The people with the most money to spend and the cheapest power will make all mom and pop miners unprofitable, and at that point they will stop investing/buying ASICs. Over time the block chain will become more and more centralized until it is so centralized that they can do many nefarious things, such as raise transaction fees on a whim by only including transactions into blocks that have X amount of fees, because they decide they are not making enough profit.

Third, once a PoW cryptocurrency exits its inflationary stage of the money supply distribution, it is possible that the transaction fees are not enough to compensate the miners and keep the blockchain secure.

True all the existing PoW coins suffer these. But it is possible to fix this. I will not tell you how though. Well actually I already told everyone but they can't wrap their mind around AnonyMint's posts, so nevermind.

BTW: AnonyMint hinted that a solution to centralized mining could be to somehow make mining always unprofitable, that way all mining comes from individual nodes contributing miniscule amounts of hashpower while their wallets are open.

Kudos to you sir.

BTW: AnonyMint hinted that a solution to centralized mining could be to somehow make mining always unprofitable, that way all mining comes from individual nodes contributing miniscule amounts of hashpower while their wallets are open.

This sounds like a clever idea, and I think it could work if the logistics were figured out.

One logistic was getting the PoW right. I first did a PoW in November 2013 which is essentially what CN ended up with independently, although mine was orders-of-magnitude faster by exploiting AVX2 which also provided botnet resistance. Then I realized fighting against ASICs was futile so I had to embrace them.

Anonymint is still around, although he may of dropped that idea.. I don't know. I do agree that is a good idea that needs more attention.. I haven't heard it before. I'm guessing it is hard to implement fairly and securely though, which would be the only thing holding it back. Yet, it could possibly be made to work.

I am trying to not to post. But since I decided to correct that misunderstanding about Rivest and Shamir's relevance to CN's one-time ring signatures, I might as well reply to these comments.

Agreed the details of widespread mining are difficult to achieve.

Edit: I am not often reading the forum any more (no time for it). I just happened to read this thread because I was looking at a particular user's latest posts for an unrelated reason and they had posted in this thread.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 01:00:32 PM
This user is currently ignored.

Mate, you really need to log off and never log on again, something is wrong with you. Let me guess, you're on medication?

Please everyone. Just do it.
Yes. What a relief. Most annoying bastard I have even seen on this forum.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
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moving over 200,000 BTC to prove his point back in mid 2011. He is also well known to be in the top of all LTC holders. So I do not think any of it is financially motivated.

holy f***** shit

I also herd someone ate a 10,000 BTC pizza.

so BCX had a net worth of 20 pizzas? (just playin)

But that was "the" pizza.
legendary
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Forget-about-it
September 18, 2014, 10:55:57 AM
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moving over 200,000 BTC to prove his point back in mid 2011. He is also well known to be in the top of all LTC holders. So I do not think any of it is financially motivated.

holy f***** shit

I also herd someone ate a 10,000 BTC pizza.

so BCX had a net worth of 20 pizzas? (just playin)
hero member
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September 18, 2014, 10:51:46 AM
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moving over 200,000 BTC to prove his point back in mid 2011. He is also well known to be in the top of all LTC holders. So I do not think any of it is financially motivated.

holy f***** shit

I also herd someone ate a 10,000 BTC pizza.
newbie
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September 18, 2014, 10:48:36 AM
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moving over 200,000 BTC to prove his point back in mid 2011. He is also well known to be in the top of all LTC holders. So I do not think any of it is financially motivated.

holy f***** shit
legendary
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Forget-about-it
September 18, 2014, 10:46:28 AM
moneroman is retarded, the fact that you are unwilling to accept that a fatal flaw could even exist is the entire reason no one will ever take you seriously.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 10:31:48 AM
you forgot

5-You're a fucking ego-retard wannabe-Terminator bitch who thinks she can make Monero fail with FUD and LIE, asshole

Mate, you really need to log off and never log on again, something is wrong with you. Let me guess, you're on medication?

I think he's actually OFF medication...hence the problem.  Wow.
hero member
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September 18, 2014, 10:13:37 AM
This user is currently ignored.

Mate, you really need to log off and never log on again, something is wrong with you. Let me guess, you're on medication?

Please everyone. Just do it.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
Mate, you really need to log off and never log on again, something is wrong with you. Let me guess, you're on medication?

No need to guess, he's trolling. Ignore button can help.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 10:06:14 AM
you forgot

5-You're a fucking ego-retard wannabe-Terminator bitch who thinks she can make Monero fail with FUD and LIE, asshole

Mate, you really need to log off and never log on again, something is wrong with you. Let me guess, you're on medication?
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
*In XMR there exist a flaw involving the keyrings that under the right conditions will allow an attacker to steal your wallets and hijack your addresses. To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed. These exploits are why two top exchanges who have asked for my opinion have not added XMR.

*I could indeed exploit this coin if I wanted but I have no need or desire. Others will find exploits and others *will* exploit it. It's just the nature of the beast.

I'm still not making sense of this situation, these are my current scenarios about what is currently going on, am I close?

1-You're telling the truth about there being a fundamental flaw and don't want to tell the Monero core team because you want to see Monero fail, however, this leaves Monero open to attack and invites FUD, so you're essentially committing an economical attack on Monero, contradicting your statement that you won't attack Monero.

2-Your attack requires you to have between 20% - 50% of the hashrate to be successful, your FUD will mean the total network hashrate of Monero falls allowing such an attack to be more realistic.

3-You're simply lying, hence not telling the Monero team about the flaw.

4-You're telling the truth and have disclosed the flaw to the Monero core team.



you forgot

5-You're a fucking ego-retard wannabe-Terminator bitch who thinks she can make Monero fail with FUD and LIE, asshole
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 09:56:44 AM
*In XMR there exist a flaw involving the keyrings that under the right conditions will allow an attacker to steal your wallets and hijack your addresses. To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed. These exploits are why two top exchanges who have asked for my opinion have not added XMR.

*I could indeed exploit this coin if I wanted but I have no need or desire. Others will find exploits and others *will* exploit it. It's just the nature of the beast.

I'm still not making sense of this situation, these are my current scenarios about what is currently going on, am I close?

1-You're telling the truth about there being a fundamental flaw and don't want to tell the Monero core team because you want to see Monero fail, however, this leaves Monero open to attack and invites FUD, so you're essentially committing an economical attack on Monero, contradicting your statement that you won't attack Monero.

2-Your attack requires you to have between 20% - 50% of the hashrate to be successful, your FUD will mean the total network hashrate of Monero falls allowing such an attack to be more realistic.

3-You're simply lying, hence not telling the Monero team about the flaw.

4-You're telling the truth and have disclosed the flaw to the Monero core team.

sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 09:15:47 AM
That was a lot of good information.  So basically this guy has basically been the reaper for many a coin, but usually via raw power.  He hasn't said he was going to attack XMR (the exact opposite).  The worrisome thing is that he said he found an exploit in CN.  I am wondering if what he really means is "somebody showed him a fatal flaw".  The XMR trolls have pissed a lot of people off.  I can imagine another developer knows about a flaw and just hasn't done much but is considering it now.  Also, if somebody knew about a flaw and wanted to kill a coin but didn't have the resources themselves, then BCX is hands down the most obvious choice to contact.  He has destroyed so many coins; he apparently kind of likes it.  Even if I am wrong about this theory, I think there is something to what he is saying about flaws in the code.  He has a pretty bad ass reputation and apparently a high ego.  I am sure he would hate to get shamed and be wrong.  

I'm still digging... there was a lot to go over and BCX has deleted a lot of his posts, most of which contain evidence I would assume.

Apparently he has also repeatedly used the time travel exploit. What kind of difficulty adjustment algo does Monero use??? As I think that is how the time travel exploit is utilized.

It is possible I guess someone tipped him off to an exploit in CN. It would be interesting checking other CN's Githubs for recent commits.. maybe in this case, the one that is in the know would have fixed the exploit recently.

Isn't there a forum that duplicates everything from here so it's documented even if deleted?

https://bitcointa.lk/
newbie
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September 18, 2014, 09:11:03 AM
That was a lot of good information.  So basically this guy has basically been the reaper for many a coin, but usually via raw power.  He hasn't said he was going to attack XMR (the exact opposite).  The worrisome thing is that he said he found an exploit in CN.  I am wondering if what he really means is "somebody showed him a fatal flaw".  The XMR trolls have pissed a lot of people off.  I can imagine another developer knows about a flaw and just hasn't done much but is considering it now.  Also, if somebody knew about a flaw and wanted to kill a coin but didn't have the resources themselves, then BCX is hands down the most obvious choice to contact.  He has destroyed so many coins; he apparently kind of likes it.  Even if I am wrong about this theory, I think there is something to what he is saying about flaws in the code.  He has a pretty bad ass reputation and apparently a high ego.  I am sure he would hate to get shamed and be wrong.   

I'm still digging... there was a lot to go over and BCX has deleted a lot of his posts, most of which contain evidence I would assume.

Apparently he has also repeatedly used the time travel exploit. What kind of difficulty adjustment algo does Monero use??? As I think that is how the time travel exploit is utilized.

It is possible I guess someone tipped him off to an exploit in CN. It would be interesting checking other CN's Githubs for recent commits.. maybe in this case, the one that is in the know would have fixed the exploit recently.

Isn't there a forum that duplicates everything from here so it's documented even if deleted?
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 08:34:35 AM


if you followed bcx closely for the last few years - you'd understand why.  mark my words - if he ever views monero or any other PoW as a threat to LTC god have mercy on it's soul.

Word! What has me concerned is the lack of any response from any the xmr team refuting this. Seems to me if not true they would debunk this asap.

Everytime BCX makes a post like this, the coin has huge troubles.  Just read his history.  It is funny that people with only a few posts "aren't scared" of him. 

"Ignorance is bliss" <-- oldest story in the book.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 06:14:00 AM

Just FYI rpietila is not affiliated with the project at all, and if he calls anything "official" it is official to him, not us.
He is an independent investor who decided on his own to invest in the coin (we were quite surprised by his decision I have to say) and now supports it, sometimes quite vocally.

To say he is quite vocal would be the understatement of the year.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 06:13:07 AM
The campaign "let's act as a retard supporter of XMR to actually discredit it" is still going on...

Moneroman88 is just kindly reminding us that there is an ignore button on this forum.



Indeed. I clicked it, and it worked magic.
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