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Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 30. (Read 67133 times)

legendary
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where is their btt thread?

I think they had one before.
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legendary
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What if they paid the rights to use these images? Maybe we should ask gettyimages on Twitter? Smiley

lol, even if they did, it's hilariously not representative of their team or their product. Tongue

Can't argue with that. Smiley

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I think we had enough researches, which revealed their shady "strategy". The best thing we can do now is to warn people where we can (new threads related to Razormind, Twitter, Facebook etc...).
legendary
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IBTTimes had removed the article about Razormind, but I see recently they republished it. So this would show me that this major news outlet has verified that this is in fact not a scam if they republished an article?? I cannot see what other explanation there would be

Following further discussion they have since reconsidered and the article has been pulled again.

The trouble is that some people kept focusing on the whole 'RZR/Razorcoin' thing which is pretty much irrelevant and allowed Jawad to obfuscate the real deception by publicly denying any connection to the 'RZR' coin while failing to answer to the much more serious issues of fraudulent misrepresentation concerning the substance, or otherwise, of his operation in the run-up to and during the on-going process of wanting to convince people to send him lots of money.

When you are seeking investment you don't get to demand people ignore multiple counts of proven deception.

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Cryptodevil: Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

The only return for Fida Muhasain
FIDA MUHASAIN
Heading Consulting and Architectural practices in the EMEA for Razormind, Feda specialized in Data Mining through a Masters by Research in Jordan University before moving onto a PHD in Computing Information Systems. As a TOGAF architect she brings clarity and excellence to Razormind freelance and commercial programmes. She speaks Arabic, English, and French and has a sense of humour somewhere.
Jul 26, 2016

is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv



It sounds like Fida Muhasain is working with their freelance employees.

All I see about Ismail Malik is he has been into cryptocurrency since about 2013. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Most people who use this forum haven't been into it much longer than that.

Hi newbie with 1 post:

She is being presented as management with track history. There is nothing about such a person in google. no facebook no previous mentions.

Run a similar serch on others including the "employees" and you'll discover more such anomalies.

Ismail Malik's picture is not that person that's been a blockchain leader who is much older. his twitter with "13.6K" followers relates to deos or razormind for about 3 weeks. is that management of a 260 employees venture?

It all adds up to all the previous non transparent "mysteries" such as the non existing client lists, cheating on the client lists, razorcoin that cheated them, PR company that cheated them, 27000 users, 260 employees, offices all over, projects all over. no escrow, no central sale address because a BTC address will be hacked (wow). and more. no open source, known security audits, deos twitter with multi 000's followers (where are they?) razormind with multi 000's number of followers. working with such large clients yet fighting with a guy over a $1500 bill all over the net. see his reaction in the video to "how many coins they produced", year of company registration, its address. Look at razormind's twitter history (it's a personal account not a legacy company). and he list of mysteries goes on and on. very "reliable".  

BTW: I ran a search on some of the texts on the razormind site.

compare this:
http://www.razormind.co.uk/big-data/

to this:
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/bigdata/

and do the same to all other technical explanations on the site with some name change and you'll discover interesting things. ohhhh it's that PR company.  

Maybe a call to the local police or Interpol should suffice. They'll be able to check. maybe all of these 4 pages above are wrong.  

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Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

The only return for Fida Muhasain
FIDA MUHASAIN
Heading Consulting and Architectural practices in the EMEA for Razormind, Feda specialized in Data Mining through a Masters by Research in Jordan University before moving onto a PHD in Computing Information Systems. As a TOGAF architect she brings clarity and excellence to Razormind freelance and commercial programmes. She speaks Arabic, English, and French and has a sense of humour somewhere.
Jul 26, 2016

is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv





It sounds like Fida Muhasain is working with their freelance employees.

All I see about Ismail Malik is he has been into cryptocurrency since about 2013. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Most people who use this forum haven't been into it much longer than that.
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how sure "Jawad Yaqub" is credible enough? is this his real name? any confirmation???

Well his youtube account goes back four years so it doesn't look like an identity-based con.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jawadyaqub/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0

There's a mix of personal videos and a whole bunch of low-rent promo clips he's had done for Razormind over that time, including my favourite, a night-time multiple city-scape shot of all the "Razormind Locations" which, funnily enough don't show anything other than city-scapes from around the world.

I've come across a mention of these supposed 27,000 'active users' in an interview he did over a year and a half ago for 'Melbourne Bitcoin Technology Center'. At the 28:30 mark he claims that people have been signing up to test and code on DeOS at a rate of a couple of hundred per hour "since the beginning" and then he makes the claim for a 'current' count of 27,000. This was in January 2015. So apparently they got those 27,000 users over a year and a half ago, all of whom remained utterly silent about DeOS and have never spoken of it or posted about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mExxf9sPU0E



Cryptodevil: Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

The only return for Fida Muhasain
FIDA MUHASAIN
Heading Consulting and Architectural practices in the EMEA for Razormind, Feda specialized in Data Mining through a Masters by Research in Jordan University before moving onto a PHD in Computing Information Systems. As a TOGAF architect she brings clarity and excellence to Razormind freelance and commercial programmes. She speaks Arabic, English, and French and has a sense of humour somewhere.
Jul 26, 2016

is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv



legendary
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What if they paid the rights to use these images? Maybe we should ask gettyimages on Twitter? Smiley

lol, even if they did, it's hilariously not representative of their team or their product. Tongue
legendary
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What if they paid the rights to use these images? Maybe we should ask gettyimages on Twitter? Smiley
legendary
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Is there anything Razormind haven't just simply ripped from someone else and claimed it as their own?


Razormind is the blockchain for babies and pastels:






Was taken from this: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/portrait-of-woman-at-work-high-res-stock-photography/169997695


And:

legendary
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how sure "Jawad Yaqub" is credible enough? is this his real name? any confirmation???

I believe that this is his real name, but that doesn't really justify his/their actions:

https://www.facebook.com/jawad.yaqub

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNzNeVRRxw
legendary
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how sure "Jawad Yaqub" is credible enough? is this his real name? any confirmation???

Well his youtube account goes back four years so it doesn't look like an identity-based con.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jawadyaqub/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0

There's a mix of personal videos and a whole bunch of low-rent promo clips he's had done for Razormind over that time, including my favourite, a night-time multiple city-scape shot of all the "Razormind Locations" which, funnily enough don't show anything other than city-scapes from around the world.

I've come across a mention of these supposed 27,000 'active users' in an interview he did over a year and a half ago for 'Melbourne Bitcoin Technology Center'. At the 28:30 mark he claims that people have been signing up to test and code on DeOS at a rate of a couple of hundred per hour "since the beginning" and then he makes the claim for a 'current' count of 27,000. This was in January 2015. So apparently they got those 27,000 users over a year and a half ago, all of whom remained utterly silent about DeOS and have never spoken of it or posted about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mExxf9sPU0E

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how sure "Jawad Yaqub" is credible enough? is this his real name? any confirmation???
legendary
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They have taken a rather grim approach. Unless you pay in you can't verify so outsiders can't call scam.

If you pay in you likely realise it is a scam, but are too embarrassed to say anything.

I'd say they made a few bitcoin from this, maybe 10-20.
legendary
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Thread-puller extraordinaire
Razormind has came out and said they have zero connection to razorcoin. This was a error from Cointelegraph. Coin Telegraph has since removed this information. 

Careful not to get drawn into this issue as they can use it to keep avoiding answering to the proven fraudulent actions, whereas this one is being muddied up by the fact 'Razormind' used to be operating 'Razorcoin.com' for their coin-cloning service and during that time came 'Razorco.in' which was the Bryce Weiner (It uses TOR!!1!1!!!) shitcoin 'RZR'.

Given that both Razormind-owned twitter accounts are shown to have been tweeting about the high market price 'RZR' had got to at the time, it does show there is a connection but it could have just been that they created 'RZR' on request and were just hyping how 'successful' it had been to try and drum up more business for their coin production service.


despite all the accusations, they still raised 1.9 million in their crowdsale. very high risk - will there be a reward for the brave investors?

Yes but did they, though? ALL information in that regards is being given by the very same person and company who stands to gain most from raising interest in the sale and what better way than to imply a huge rush of deposits had already been received.


27,000 strangely-silent users, apparently.

Vocal facebook likes and twitter followers cost much more. Judging by this thread they could afford only one shill.

Which again leads me to question just how much, or rather how little, interest there actually is in this scam. We're all more than familiar with the breathless shit-posting from excitable fanbois of the latest shutupandtakemymoney ICO. Literally spraying threads with price talk and aggressively defending the highly-questionable nature of whichever shutupandtakemymoney ICO they've thrown their hard-earned dust at.

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It is a link to a supposed demo that is going to go live later today for 'sale participants'. Don't forget, though, the issue isn't whether there is any software, after all Razormind used to be a clone-coin factory so we know they can copy other people's code and, even if some of it is their code, there is no evidence to suggest that it is even a credible commercial-grade platform.

BTW this:
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After a month the platform had acquired 27,000 active users, mostly those using the DeOS Desktop and DeOS Office systems, while another segment of users had already begun to develop smart contracts and to write programs ready to be compiled into DeOS bytecode. This led to the development of mobile DeOS nodes and mature DeOS cellular applications.

ORLY? 27,000 active user have supposedly been testing this platform and have been busy writing contracts and creating mobile nodes and whatever 'mature DeOS cellular applications' might pretend to mean.

I call bullshit on that claim given that there would be a shedload more participants in this thread, which is the the single most active topic on Razormind/DeOS on this forum. 27,000 users of a platform would not stand idly by while the legitimacy of said platform was being challenged. We would see dozens and dozens of posts from multiple forum account every day decrying the negative statements and proffering positive words about their experience in using this platform.

Where are they?

Jawad, the question still stands about the fraudulent customer testimonials, what proof is there that Razormind even has these companies as clients? If you don't have them as clients then what do you have?

27,000 strangely-silent users, apparently.


agreed. the so-called-DeOS-software can not be downloaded unless you deposit BTC or ETH. that's good trick of priming. watch out everyone. Cool
legendary
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Razormind has came out and said they have zero connection to razorcoin. This was a error from Cointelegraph. Coin Telegraph has since removed this information.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6440899

Dear Hakan,

You have disclosed that you want to resolve the original deal made between you and Razormind. If this is sincerely the case, we ask that you kindly reply to our last email with the offer to complete the project. Razormind are happy to make any adjustments required to ensure you are completely satisfied with our services, as long as the specifications remain completely within the law. We will be contacting you directly to discuss your issues, and provide further technical support to you to ensure your new coin is up and running.

Regards

Jawad Yaqub
Razorcoin

legendary
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IBTTimes had removed the article about Razormind, but I see recently they republished it. So this would show me that this major news outlet has verified that this is in fact not a scam if they republished an article?? I cannot see what other explanation there would be

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/razorminds-deos-crowdsale-raises-1-9m-bitcoin-first-week-1572917

Razormind has came out and said they have zero connection to razorcoin. This was a error from Cointelegraph. Coin Telegraph has since removed this information.  


I have ZERO financial stake in Razormind. I own no tokens or have any direct influence on this project.



despite all the accusations, they still raised 1.9 million in their crowdsale. very high risk - will there be a reward for the brave investors?

Which part of "blatant scam" spells "reward"? It's not high risk, it's high stupidity, but unfortunately raising a million or two based on a mere mention of "blockchain" is still possible these days. Crypto is the new dotcom bubble.
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IBTTimes had removed the article about Razormind, but I see recently they republished it. So this would show me that this major news outlet has verified that this is in fact not a scam if they republished an article?? I cannot see what other explanation there would be

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/razorminds-deos-crowdsale-raises-1-9m-bitcoin-first-week-1572917

Razormind has came out and said they have zero connection to razorcoin. This was a error from Cointelegraph. Coin Telegraph has since removed this information.  


I have ZERO financial stake in Razormind. I own no tokens or have any direct influence on this project.



despite all the accusations, they still raised 1.9 million in their crowdsale. very high risk - will there be a reward for the brave investors?
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