Topic: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf - page 3144. (Read 5921241 times)

und nun mach ich gern ein neues post, dann bin ich ruhig
Wer wäscht das Geld im großen Stil?? Die Banken, Herr Schäuble mit Duldung des Vorgehens und finanziert Terror oder der Bitcoin bei 6 Milliarden Wert!?
Kann jeder selbst drüber nach denken


The user-owned and user-governed Euroclear group provides settlement and related services for bond, equity, fund and derivative transactions. As a leading international Central Securities Depositary (CSD), covering Belgium, Finland, France, Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden and the United Kingdom, Euroclear's depositories cover more than 65% of European blue-chip equities and 50% of European domestic debt outstanding.

The organization released a straightforward, easily-understood report today, that was co-authored by management consulting firm Oliver Wyman. 'Blockchain in Capital Markets: The Prize and the Journey,' aims to help leaders in capital markets to understand the potential of the technology, lay out the paths for its adoption, and present the decisions that are required from capital markets firms today.

The 24-page report describes what an ideal market structure would look like, citing “access to efficient, well-architected blockchain technologies.”

Blockchains would eliminate the need for data normalization, internal system reconciliation, and exposure or obligation conflicts, while offering transparency and “many other improvements.”

Oliver Wyman Logo“The prize on offer is a world where all capital market participants work from common datasets, in near real time and where supporting operations are either streamlined or made redundant.”

- Ben Shepherd, Partner in the Strategic IT and Operations practice at Oliver Wyman

 

While illustrating several benefits of a market built on blockchains, the report emphasized that “huge investment” is needed, not only to create the infrastructure and tools, but also to convince participants to join a network.

The report also outlines where cost savings can be made. The internal costs of operations and IT systems can be reduced, as can the fees paid to external service providers.

“IT and operations expenditure in capital markets is currently close to USD100-150 billion per year among banks. On top of that, post-trade and securities servicing fees are in the region of USD100 billion.”

- Oliver Wyman

Suggesting that a move towards a blockchain-based capital market should be “a step-by-step adoption rather than a big bang reorganisation,” the report states that the legacy system is “too big, complex and important” for an accelerated overhaul.

The authors outline a two phase transition, beginning with small, standalone use cases utilizing new blockchains. The second phase is larger-scale use cases, predominantly processing and monitoring assets on blockchains.

“There is currently a frenetic level of activity across the industry in developing use cases,” the report claims. While successful applications will naturally attract customers and create new ecosystems, collaboration may also lead to blockchain adoption.

R3 CEV has already made considerable efforts, and achieved considerable success, in creating a banking collaboration, while the Post Trade Distributed Ledger initiative is also attracting members. Euroclear reportedly joined the working group in November 2015, along with the London Stock Exchange, LCH Clearnet, and the CME Group.

Regulation may also play a role, as it has done with the implementation of TARGET2 Securities (T2S) in Eurozone settlements. The new European securities settlement engine aims to offer centralised settlements for central banks, across all European securities markets. The platform will enable CSDs to increase their competitiveness, eventually. The project was started in 2008, and migration is due for completion in early 2017.

The Euroclear report provides seven suggestions for how the industry could start adopting the technology now, stating that the “wait-and-see approach” may be unwise.

Jo Van de Velde“The industry needs to take a collective view on the potential of the technology [...] The market must embrace this potential, show patience with this development and invest in various innovative solutions to bring it to bear.”

- Jo Van de Velde, Managing Director and Head of Product Management at Euroclear

 

Proof of concept for definite use cases are needed first and foremost, then service providers need to gain an understanding of the benefits, before industry-wide engagement could develop. Initial solutions can then be deployed with more startups and funding. Finally, regulators and supervisory bodies should be engaged to address legal measures.

As for the adoption timeline, today Bitcoin is a first-generation application of blockchain technology. The report states that over the next 12 to 24 months, capital market startups with limited use cases will evolve, as well as proposals for market standards, followed by niche applications that will “define new markets that do not exist today.”

“After a 3 to 5 year period, it is possible that substantial applications will start to be used by the majority of large players in an important market,” the report reads, attributing the expansion from “the growth of initial niche successes, or from second generation ideas emerging from previous failures.” However, the authors do not see mass adoption taking place for over 10 years.

An independent survey from the World Economic Forum (WEF), published last October, showed that leaders and experts in several fields expect bitcoin and the blockchain adoption to intensify in 2027, which is on par with the time frame suggested by the Euroclear/Oliver Wyman report.

Meanwhile, Gartner's 2015 Hype Cycle for Emerging Technologies separately predicts that cryptocurrencies and cryptocurrency exchanges will reach a plateau of productivity in two to five years.

Euroclear and Oliver Wyman also see some hurdles obstructing blockchain adoption in capital markets, besides the investment needed to develop applications and run implementation programs.

“Adoption of blockchain technology will be reliant upon aligning industry standards,” is a recurring sentiment in the report. The need for a central authority that could maintain a single universal database for all participants is often highlighted, “essentially an expansion of the role taken by a Central Securities Depository (CSD) in a traditional infrastructure.”

This is not the first time Euroclear has expressed the need for a central authority to develop a universal standard. In July 2015, Euroclear responded to the European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) call for evidence on “Investment using virtual currency or distributed ledger technology.”

Euroclear“Global authorities, including ESMA, should consider developing a specific set of principles, rules and regulations to deal with DLT for securities holdings and transactions, or review and modify existing laws and regulations.”

- Euroclear

 

However, in this report with Oliver Wyman, Euroclear called the capital market industry “unaccustomed to cooperation,” and warns that “a common barrier cited for some innovations is how to agree on a lead provider to hold central responsibility and power in an essentially monopolistic position.”

Instead of naming ESMA as a suitable leader, like it previously did, Euroclear hints that it is, being industry owned, in a better position to take on the role: “Perhaps the only way for the industry as a whole to agree who should develop such solutions is if they all collectively develop and own it together as in the case of blockchain.”

Euroclear is not the first to suggest that an industry-owned organization is well positioned to act as a central body. American post-trade financial services company, the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC), provides clearing and settlement services to the financial markets. The corporation expressed a similar opinion in a white paper released last week.

DTCC also sees many benefits of adopting distributed ledger technology to substantially improve capital market infrastructures. “The industry has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to reimagine and modernize its infrastructure to resolve long-standing operational challenges,” stated DTCC president and CEO Michael Bodson.

The DTCC report also states the need for a central body to lead the effort in adopting distributed technology, and an industry-owned organization is recommended.

DTCC“DTCC believes it is best positioned to support and coordinate the evaluation and standardization of the distributed ledger platform, help address industry challenges and determine whether it is a better solution than existing technology.” 

- DTCC

 

Since both DTCC and Euroclear have signified the importance of a central body that is industry owned, and both are qualified as user-owned and user-governed organizations specializing in the settlement of domestic and international securities transactions, some may consider them competitors vying for the position.

However, a collaboration between them as a joint central body is not a far-fetched idea. There is already the precedence of a joint venture between the two organizations, certifying that they can work together. The venture between DTCC and Euroclear was formed in September 2014, and aimed to streamline global collateral processing. The collaboration is called DTCC-Euroclear Global Collateral Ltd., and has a headquarters in the UK.

Regardless of whether a central body evolves or not, both DTCC and Euroclear conveyed unequivocally that the wait-and-see approach “may not be wise.” This message concurs with the UK Government Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Mark Walport, who recently released a report urging the UK government to start using blockchain technology immediately.
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The European Commission recently released an Action Plan, calling on all member states to adopt the 4th Anti-Money Laundering Directive. Initially proposed last May, the directive is supposed to be in effect by the end of 2016 at the latest.  

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Frans Timmermans"We have to cut off the resources that terrorists use to carry out their heinous crimes. By detecting and disrupting the financing of terrorist networks, we can reduce their ability to travel, to buy weapons and explosives, to plot attacks and to spread hate and fear online.”

- Frans Timmermans, European Commission First Vice-President

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The Action Plan will attempt to ensure safeguards, enhance the power of EU Financial Intelligence Units, and to centralise national bank payment account registers and central data retrieval systems in all Member States. This will allow for faster, and easier access to information about account holders.      

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Currently, Germany, Britain and Austria do not apply limits to consumer cash payments. France imposes a ceiling of 3000 euros for French residents, while Italy appears to be going in the opposite direction in a move to boost retail sales, with plans to raise its ceiling from 1,000 to 3,000 euros.

The Commission has also warned against the 500 euro banknotes, as they are "in high demand among criminal elements,” due to their high value and low volume.            

According to the paper, innovation in financial services and technological change could create opportunities which may at times be abused to conceal terrorist financing. Novel financial tools such as virtual currencies are posing new challenges to combating terrorist financing.

Therefore, digital currencies and their platforms will be included in The Action Plan,”to prevent their abuse for money laundering and terrorist financing purposes.”

The Commission also proposes bringing virtual currency exchange platforms under the scope of the Anti-Money Laundering Directive, so that these platforms have to apply customer due diligence controls, ending the “anonymity associated with such exchanges.”

European Commission“Highly versatile criminals are quick to switch to new channels if existing ones become too risky. For innovative financial tools, it is critical to be able to manage the risks relating to their anonymity, such as virtual currencies.”

- European Commission

 

The European Parliament recently discussed bitcoin and other digital currencies for the first time. Approximately a dozen politicians and regulators from the Eurozone contributed to a list of questions, which ranged from tax evasion, to money laundering and regulation. Jeremy Millar, Partner at Magister Advisors LLP, shared his views on virtual currencies following the discussion.

Prior to establishing Magister Advisors, Millar spent five years working for Goldman Sachs, and assisted in the build of Oracle Corporation: “This gives me a dual perspective on virtual currencies: that of a disruptive technology market and their potential implications for financial markets.”

Millar explained that the initial interaction of Bitcoin with the regulated, fiat financial system took place when early virtual currency companies were attempting to open commercial bank accounts as money transfer agents: “Many banks refused, concerned with fulfilling their own KYC and AML requirements. As a result, in large Bitcoin companies today you will find up to 40% of the staff working in compliance.”

Millar also highlights several services that could alleviate the Commission’s concerns. Chainalysis was specifically built to to spot connections between digital identities. “Our products allow financial institutions to develop trust lines between them as well as identify malicious actors. Our mission is to create tools that respect user privacy and prevent abuse of our financial system,” states the company.

Another company referred to by Millar is UK based Elliptic, a blockchain intelligence company founded in 2013. “We identify illicit activity on the Bitcoin blockchain and provide our services to the leading Bitcoin companies and law enforcement agencies globally.”


und in voller länge, wer das nicht kapiert, sorry
http://bravenewcoin.com/news/euroclear-urges-blockchain-adoption-for-capital-markets/

Oh nööööö.
Nicht schonwieder das Thema, Bitcoin kaputt forken.
Heute die Blockgrösse, morgen die 21 Millionen.

Woher kommt eigentlich das Motiv?
Der letzte Hearn hat doch gezeigt wessen Geld er nimmt.

Leider tun sie das, da sie ihr Geld mit Software verdienen, die in beiden Versionen nutzbar ist.
Nur in der einen Version ist sie ein wenig nützlicher als in der anderen.

es steht doch noch gar nicht fest, die core's haben sich gestern an einen tisch gesetzt, endlich, das hatte ich schon vor tagen gefordert.. also abwarten und ruhe bewahren, wenn es aus dieser runde ein lösung entsteht, könnte das den kurs beflügeln, die unsicherheit sollte eingepreist sein

tja das musst du dann beobachten, eigenverantwortung geld oder banken
30% abwertung haben sie dir aufgezwungen und den negativ zins drücken sie dir sicher aufs auge, aber du hast die wahl, jeder hat die wahl, freiheit und entscheidungsgewalt durch den bitcoin oder oder dem feudalismus der banken, muss jeder für sich entscheiden

wie ich finde ein sehr schöner Artikel

wenn der BTC bereit ist nach dem die Core's sich einigen

Bitcoin, Online Payments and the Scourge of PayPal
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-online-payments-paypal/

auf Huobi und Okcoin sind die Umsätze eingebrochen in den letzten drei stunden, vllt geht dem komitee der BTC aus um gegen Dollar runter zu traden.


auch interessant, ein stück demokratie global

Why Bitcoin Will Thrive First in the Developing World
http://www.wired.com/2016/02/why-bitcoin-will-thrive-first-in-the-developing-world/

aha was schrieb ich noch über den Papst?

Alaskan 'Judge' Wants Pope Francis to Endorse the Blockchain
"No more fraudulent debt currencies. No more stealing from the future. No more phony controls and commodity manipulations."
http://www.coindesk.com/alaska-judge-pope-francis-blockchain/

in deutschland pennt man etwas ^^
man sieht die chancen eher in der enteignung der bürger als in der innovation.

UN Commission Calls On Caribbean to Become Digital Currency Hub
"Given the deficiencies in the sub-regional payments infrastructure, and the broader need to increase participation in the digital economy, it is incumbent upon Caribbean authorities to ... examine the opportunities for innovation that digital currencies offer."
http://www.coindesk.com/un-commission-calls-caribbean-become-digital-currency-hub/

nein nein Banken benutzen keinen Bitcoin, warum auch? Spart ja nur einige Millionen an Kosten pro Bank
wärend also die Union 10 dollar nimmt per transaktion weltweit, zahlt sie im bitcoin tja ähm also was soll ich sagen 0,06 dollar


Viber And Western Union Create Mobile Remittance Solution Despite Cheaper Bitcoin Option
Mobile payment solutions are the new hype right now, as consumers from all over the world are looking for more convenient ways to pay for goods and services. No one would have expected Viber to become a major player in the financial world anytime soon, but their recent partnership with Western Union shakes things up […]
http://bitcoinist.net/viber-and-western-union-create-mobile-remittance-solution-despite-cheaper-bitcoin-option/

und hier ist die konkurrenz zur union, also ist diese mächtig unter zugzwang, sie müssen, sonst gehen ihnen milliarden verloren

Canadian Firm Announces Blockchain Integration to Improve Global Money Transactions
It is no secret that distributed ledger technology will make a major splash in the financial ecosystem over the next few years. Other than speeding up transactions and reducing fees associated with transferring value,  distributed ledgers also create a global form of finance that was previously impossible. DH Corporation has applied blockchain technology to its … Continue reading Canadian Firm Announces Blockchain Integration to Improve Global Money Transactions
http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/02/04/dh-corporation-brings-private-blockchain-solution-to-global-payplus/

Wer soll denn da in der Situation kaufen? Wo steht eigentlich welche Börse was unterstützt. Ich seh da noch gar keine Hinweise bei den Börsen, die müssten ja dann zwei Wallets laufen haben oder zumindest jeder mit Bitcoins muss zwei Wallets am laufen haben.

Wenn es eine Initialzündung geben sollte dann ist die garantiert nicht durch die User an sich sondern durch eine Kampagne mit ein paar Medien und etwas Geld im Hintergrund. Entweder ein dicker Kauf oder Verkauf und dann rollt das in die eine oder andere Richtung.

Für den Normalo besteht ja überhaupt keine Gefahr, einfach den Tag verschlafen und dann mit dem Gewinner weiter arbeiten.

In welchem Zeitraum sollte der "Umsturz" stattfinden? Ich würde annehmen das sind nur ein paar Minuten. Und in dieser Zeit kann man schlecht was real transferieren. Blocktime ist ja dagegen recht lang. Das Ding wird nur auf den Börsen entschieden, meine Meinung.

In meiner Theorie gewinnt der Halter von BTC vor dem Fork immer!! Wie schon erklärt,

BTC1 steigt, weil die Masse ihm folgt
BTC2 fällt die Masse davon abweicht, aber diese Verkäufer/Trader, könnten nun ohne neue Euro's in den BTC1 investieren und ihre BTC1 vermehren..

Für mich wäre es also so sinnlos vor dem Fork zu verkaufen. Ich hab doch plötzlich doppelt soviele und muss mich nur entscheiden, chance 50%
tja man muss die Masse eben beobachten, selbst wenn ich BTC2 mit 50% verkaufen, dafür BTC1 aber steigt um 25%, habe ich 25% BTC1 Gewinn
plus zukünftigen Preisanstieg... und kann mir überlegen ob ich die Fiat aus BTC2 wieder investiere, das Risiko besteht nur darin sich nicht für die Masse zu entscheiden, die Demokratie.

Da seh ich kein Risiko, es ist eine Umschichtung aber kein Abfluss von Kapital, hab sogar den Abfluss von 25% berücksichtigt

  lies mal das was ich später geschrieben haben, was denkst du darüber? edit: jetzt unten

damit wird der Bitcoin ins Gespräch kommen und das weltweit und zu recht. Herr Schäuble lesen sie was Demokratie ist! Es geht nicht um Enteignung von Bürgern, oder das stützen von Zocker - Geldwäscher Banken.


The Bitcoin of politics: Flux Party offers radical new model for democracy

But two Bitcoin consultants want to make a mark on the 2016 election with a promise of "democracy reimagined" through a market-based online "ecosystem" that allows voters and sectional interests to exert direct control over elected representatives.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/the-bitcoin-of-politics-flux-party-offers-radical-new-model-for-democracy-20160205-gmn066.html#ixzz3zPLUYp19

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http://www.bitcoinunlimited.info/

Cool bleiben. So blind drauf los wird das ja nicht gemacht.

Man wird ziemlich genau wissen ob/wann ein Fork kommt: wenn 750 der letzten 1000 blöcke entsprechend markiert sind wird der Schalter umgelegt. Dann dauert's noch 28 Tage grace period, damit alle upgraden können. Näheres in Gavins Blog heute (oder gestern?): Gavin Andresen - Seventy-five, twenty-eight…

Also kein Grund zu Panik.

Frage ist nur, ob sie auch noch provitieren, wenn des 2 Versionen vom BTC gibt.

P.S. Wenn ich mir so den Mempool anschaue, verstehe ich aktuell aber auch net, warum wir 2 MB Blocks brauchen.  Und was machen wir dann wenn die 2 MB Block voll sind? Fangen wir dann die Diskussion wieder von vorne an? 
Ich bin ja für eine dynamische Lösung.

http://nodecounter.com/

Das Hauptproblem ist im Moment, dass es unter den Entwicklern eine starke Gruppe gibt, die nicht von einer Einigung profitiert, sondern im Gegenteil vom Status Quo.
Eine Einigung ist damit kaum wahrscheinlich.

Durchaus wahrscheinlich.
Dagegen spricht, dass möglicherweise viele Leute lieber ihre Bitcoins in beiden Forks behalten möchten, und abwarten bevor sie verkaufen, ergo geringes Angebot.
Andererseits wird es auch nur wenige Leute geben, die sich in so einer Situation trauen, einen Bitcoin einer möglicherweise zukünftig wertlosen Altcoin zu kaufen, ergo geringe Nachfrage.

Geringes Angebot + geringe Nachfrage =

Ich hoffe ja immer noch, dass es zu einer "Einigung" kommt. Wie auch immer die aussieht.

Deshalb wird er sinnvollerweise erst mal abwarten, wie sich die Sache entwickelt. Trotzdem ist er der Meinung, beide Coins zusammen werden nach einem Fork weniger Kaufkraft besitzen als Bitcoin heute. 

50% verkaufen, FIAT in der einen Hand halten, BTC in der anderen. Es geht um die Aufrechterhaltung deiner Handlungsfähigkeit. In welche Richtung sich der Kurs dann losbewegt vorhersagen zu wollen kann einen lang auf die Schnauze hauen. Und so kannst du dann wahlweise mit der rechten oder der linken austeilen. Die Beinarbeit ist auch wichtig, halte immer deinen gegnerischen Chart im Auge!
RIP Fritz Sdunek
Der Meinung das ein Fork fatal wäre schliesse ich mich an, jedoch versuche ich im Bezug aufs "Zocken" rational zu bleiben. Um diese Rationalität mir bewahren zu können versuche ich es mit angewandter Ignoranz. Schaue im Moment kaum in den internationalen Forenteil um mich über die ewig zerstrittenen, laufend wechselnden Koalitionen unter den Developpern/Minern zu informieren. Mir fällt auf das sich Mezzomix mit diesen Details wohl sehr gut auskennt, und er lässt ja ein paar Infos hier in den Thread mit einfliessen.
Ist auch gut so, können ja nicht immer nur Mariocharts bewundern wie in einer Kunstausstellung. Ich denke übrigens du könntest damit anfangen die auf Acryl oder Öl zu malen und Einrahmen. Wenn der Bitcoin eines Tages abhebt, gäbe es eine Menge Bankgebäudeforen in denen diese Kunst sehr gefragt wäre.

Ja, genau darauf spekuliere ich ja, die Frage ist nur, wer gewinnt.

Zuerst einmal habe ich - nach der Fork - die doppelte Menge Coins, aber verteilt in 2 Blockchains (BTC Core + BTC Classic). Da aber eine Coin sicher abstürzen wird, wäre es sinnvoll, die abstürzende Coin schnell zu verkaufen.

Da kann es aber passieren, dass man de falsche Entscheidung trifft und sich dann doch der andere Bitcoin als richtig erweist!

Wenn z.B. mezzomix nach der Fork alle seine BTC Classic für ein Appel und Ei verkauft, weil sie in seinen Augen verkehrt sind und Bitcoin Core das einzig wahre für ihn ist, aber dann stellen plötzlich alle Miner und Exchanges auf Classicoin um und Corecoin wird wertlos, dann wäre er vielleicht plötzlich ein armer Mann!  

unlogisch in meinen Augen. Das es die BTC zweimal geben wird, sich meine Menge verdoppelt und ein Wert steigen und der andere Fallen wird, haben ich als Trader die Chance ohne den Einsatz neuer Fiat's von dem steigenden Wert mehr zu bekommen. Ein Chance die sich nie wieder ergeben könnte

Blöd wäre es allerdings, wenn die anderen 5000++ Knoten nicht mitmachen. Dann freuen sich die verbliebenen Bitcoin Miner über die niedrige Hashrate, bzw. ihren hohen Anteil.  

Genau!

Und außerdem: Woher soll man wissen, wann der Fork kommt?

Im Prinzip könnte der Fork morgen kommen, genug Nodes gibt es ja bereits!

Für den Miner, der einen 2MB Block mint unter Bitcoin Classic, wäre das erst einmal ein super Geschäft: Fork completed und er könnte alle 10 Minuten 25 Bitcoin bei niedriger Hashrate kassieren. (Solange bis andere es merken und aufspringen)