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Topic: Do star players affect the odds of a match bet? - page 4. (Read 1175 times)

legendary
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I'd say they do affect the match itself and through this they affect the odds and the bet you are placing, the same way a fighter's recent fight will affect his odds and the value of bets in the next match.
You said that your question is simple, but the answer is even simpler. If a fighter is undefeated and won his last 5 fights in a row, the odds will be different than if he lost his last 5 fights. It's the same in football as the whole team is treated like one body. If a star player is injured and cannot play, it's like a team is injured as a whole and its odds will go down.
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I think yes, since they are one the factors for a team to win, it just meant that their attendance affect odds of the match. Moreover, they gameplay and the list you have provided also affects the odds. Why? They are players – they have an impact to the odd's calculation, and if you will think of the game's odds base from players, you should also have to know if they are star player or not. Surely, they increase the odds of winning of the team that they are in.

Yes, and that is quite obvious that the odds of a certain game will literally be affected if there will be a star player playing on that certain team or not. Just take for example the NBA games, we know that some teams have 1 or 2 more star players and some teams have only one star player, so let's put ourselves in the bookies shoes, how will we put the odds towards the specific situation. Well, of course, we will favor the team who got more star players and list them as a favorite over the team who just have one star player on their roster.
There is a reason star players are distinguished from the rest, and it is because when things are going badly for their team they can simply flip a switch on their minds and rescue a situation from which no other player could even think about making a comeback, increasing significantly the chances of winning for any team even when at a disadvantage, and forcing casinos to change the odds given by each team in order to account for this characteristic of star players.
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I think yes, since they are one the factors for a team to win, it just meant that their attendance affect odds of the match. Moreover, they gameplay and the list you have provided also affects the odds. Why? They are players – they have an impact to the odd's calculation, and if you will think of the game's odds base from players, you should also have to know if they are star player or not. Surely, they increase the odds of winning of the team that they are in.

Yes, and that is quite obvious that the odds of a certain game will literally be affected if there will be a star player playing on that certain team or not. Just take for example the NBA games, we know that some teams have 1 or 2 more star players and some teams have only one star player, so let's put ourselves in the bookies shoes, how will we put the odds towards the specific situation. Well, of course, we will favor the team who got more star players and list them as a favorite over the team who just have one star player on their roster.
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I think yes, since they are one the factors for a team to win, it just meant that their attendance affect odds of the match. Moreover, they gameplay and the list you have provided also affects the odds. Why? They are players – they have an impact to the odd's calculation, and if you will think of the game's odds base from players, you should also have to know if they are star player or not. Surely, they increase the odds of winning of the team that they are in.
This is correct, even if a star player ends up having a terrible performance during the game, their mere presence is more than enough for the bookies to have no option but to change their odds, as they have no way to know how they will perform during a particular match or if they will suffer an injury during the game, so star players without a doubt have a huge effect not only on the odds but also on the way gamblers choose the potential winner, as if they find out one of those players is missing from one of those teams then it is likely they will consider changing their bets.
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Sports betting is a bit different from gambling in casino games. You get more information and data to work with. But luck is a key element whether it is sports betting or gambling. So as this is based on luck, involvement of such player would only be a normal thing and the results should be calculated by their past performances and present form.
But when we come out of the logic world and focus on emotion, then the answer might be different. On pages, it's all about calculating this and that and analyzing them. But in the real world, someone's presence can change the whole situation. As you mentioned, Messi and Ronaldo. Their presence can change situations, which will in many cases determine the final outcome. It comes from their past performances and reputation.

Imagine putting world's best player with some low rank players. If they don't know his existence, they won't be able to understand what he is capable of. They may think of him as the same level as them. And by the time they get adjusted to his type of gameplay, it will be too late by then.

I know I am saying a lot which can be described in short words, but this is something that needs to be explained. And the final answer is YES.
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I think yes, since they are one the factors for a team to win, it just meant that their attendance affect odds of the match. Moreover, they gameplay and the list you have provided also affects the odds. Why? They are players – they have an impact to the odd's calculation, and if you will think of the game's odds base from players, you should also have to know if they are star player or not. Surely, they increase the odds of winning of the team that they are in.
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Of course they affect the result of a game. Star players can win the game when they are motivated enough but sometimes they don’t perform well becsuse they get angry at something and then it costs them the game… So if a team has star player(s) then it is the coach’s responsibility to keep these players happy. Maybe give them some privileges but overdoing it will also create a lot of problems so it needs to be fine tuned. Look at C. Ronaldo, he is still winning cups for his team. It means he is happy.
Star player or not, each can affect the odds of a game in either in a positive or in a negative way. Being motivated shouldn't be subjective when it comes to important games because the career of our team is at risk here. So each player should always try their best each time they step up in the field.

Coach on the other hand, also plays a big role for the teams success but it's normal for a coach to get angry about it's players. It doesn't mean they are a bad guy in real life. It's only a way to discipline its players if they have done something inappropriate. When we win, most of the times we are happy but some are also not for some reasons.
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It affect the game so it will affect the odds as much as it's reported early. In Dota 2, when there's a player that's being replaced by a stand-in, the great performance of that team and synchronization is changing.

That's why it is a factor that many are considering in terms of betting. The odds change but mostly, the way they play will entirely different because the chemistry has changed.

Not talking against those players that usually stand-in because they're there in time of great help by that team who's lack by one player in their main roster. But that's it, that changes a lot including the odds.
legendary
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It obviously does affect the odds, the strength of a team is determined by the quality of its players and their recent form, so when a star player has been playing exceptionally well and their team has been performing very well, the bookies will definitely consider the presence of the star player in a match based on the levels of contribution you've mentioned, a start player playing a full match will obviously make the odds of them winning higher than them being substituted in or out.

However, I believe that the form of a player is also a very important factor for a bookie to consider before deciding the odds. Even if a team has more star players than one, if none of them has been performing well lately, the odds will be different because they are out of form and might not score or play well.
Correct, however casinos need to also consider the possibility that such a low performance cannot continue forever and at some point those start players will go back to their previous form and their performance will increase, this shows how difficult is the job of the bookies as they need to consider hundreds of factors in consideration before they release their odds, and even once they do they still need to update their given odds constantly depending on how the circumstances surrounding the match could change.
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Let's assume that it has an impact. I think that people will contribute with the performance of these star players and at least the match will be exciting as well as increasing the competition in the match. This will lead to more goal positions in the match and even more goals. When a star player, that is, a player who has made a name for himself and is transferred to an unknown league, it will increase the curiosity there, so betting companies also set a rate accordingly. It will contribute to the outcome of the match and the team after a certain period of time.
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Usually, the coach has prepared other players who may have almost the same performance as the star players so that it will continue to encourage other players to show their performance. But the problem is in the bookies because the presence of a star player can increase the bet.
its like a second tier player. I mean reserve players who have been planned to replace players who have the same playing style or equivalent playing quality to replace injured players.

bookmaker actually does not have a problem with increasing the odds, its just that the bookmaker always adjusts the situation and conditions of a team and if there is a problem with a reliable player or other player, of course the bookmaker will change the odds quickly which can benefit the bookmaker himself. therefore we must always be careful when placing bets, must analyze carefully to see the quality of each player and the condition of all the players who will appear in the match.

Sometimes, the fandom has a big effect and impact on the number of bets. The popularity of each player has a huge point in the betting flow but I'm sure that coaches are aware of this and the management surely do something to make it a fair match. However, we shouldn't always focus on the popularity of each player but rather the quality and the strength of the players as a team.
The underdog doesn't mean that they will always lose the game so we still have to be skeptical because usually, the result changes in the end.
Well, indeed, every good and famous player can indeed be taken as one of the best and it is obvious that if it is going to affect the sport, or the result, if we put Messi + CR7 + Haaland to play in the same team, then we will have a Great team up front and in the midfield, now, as good players and punters we know that this team has the advantage, it is obvious that they will have a great chance of winning.

In friendly matches, what some coaches do is test the players they have on the bench, this so that they can have enough fire and they see that there is someone who is prepared to play at the top and start, or that they are the ones who They can be better prepared for substitution, this is what they use at the squad level so that they can play well and make the game more favorable to the team, because we could not say that what they play will have a winning impact on the other team, because also the other team can do a good job and obviously very good results can be obtained.

The biggest teams in the world, when we talk about football, for example Madrid, Barcelona, City, Bayern, Inter Milan, are teams that have many stars, we could include Fraci's PSG only for Mbappé, they They have good stars and one of those stars, only one can make a difference, even if the other team is very well armed, so this brings a good consequence when comparing stars and their movements, achievements and seeing how they have played in the last games, well It brings that they can do things that can be favorable for their team, based on this a good prediction can be given, it is difficult for a team not to use their stars, because the stars will obviously always make a difference compared to the others, they have more It's easy to do your own thing as a common player who doesn't take too much risk, that's the difference.
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its like a second tier player. I mean reserve players who have been planned to replace players who have the same playing style or equivalent playing quality to replace injured players.

bookmaker actually does not have a problem with increasing the odds, its just that the bookmaker always adjusts the situation and conditions of a team and if there is a problem with a reliable player or other player, of course the bookmaker will change the odds quickly which can benefit the bookmaker himself. therefore we must always be careful when placing bets, must analyze carefully to see the quality of each player and the condition of all the players who will appear in the match.
That's right. And bookmakers can do it even in the middle of a match. And if we look at it while we're already getting bigger returns than our bet amount, we can stop our betting from getting out of the bet before things turn worse for us. Odds will change quickly, and I've seen it in Stakes, but I didn't cash out my bet because I saw hope for the team I chose to rise. Unfortunately, my chosen team ended up losing against the opposing team, which resulted in my losing too. But that's okay because it's just a few thousand satoshis. I still have to learn a lot about match analysis to get better results than before.
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Usually, the coach has prepared other players who may have almost the same performance as the star players so that it will continue to encourage other players to show their performance. But the problem is in the bookies because the presence of a star player can increase the bet.
its like a second tier player. I mean reserve players who have been planned to replace players who have the same playing style or equivalent playing quality to replace injured players.

bookmaker actually does not have a problem with increasing the odds, its just that the bookmaker always adjusts the situation and conditions of a team and if there is a problem with a reliable player or other player, of course the bookmaker will change the odds quickly which can benefit the bookmaker himself. therefore we must always be careful when placing bets, must analyze carefully to see the quality of each player and the condition of all the players who will appear in the match.

Sometimes, the fandom has a big effect and impact on the number of bets. The popularity of each player has a huge point in the betting flow but I'm sure that coaches are aware of this and the management surely do something to make it a fair match. However, we shouldn't always focus on the popularity of each player but rather the quality and the strength of the players as a team.
The underdog doesn't mean that they will always lose the game so we still have to be skeptical because usually, the result changes in the end.
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Usually, the coach has prepared other players who may have almost the same performance as the star players so that it will continue to encourage other players to show their performance. But the problem is in the bookies because the presence of a star player can increase the bet.
its like a second tier player. I mean reserve players who have been planned to replace players who have the same playing style or equivalent playing quality to replace injured players.

bookmaker actually does not have a problem with increasing the odds, its just that the bookmaker always adjusts the situation and conditions of a team and if there is a problem with a reliable player or other player, of course the bookmaker will change the odds quickly which can benefit the bookmaker himself. therefore we must always be careful when placing bets, must analyze carefully to see the quality of each player and the condition of all the players who will appear in the match.
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Of course, whether or not a star player plays or not will affect the odds, especially if the star player is the focus of a team. You can see it from the change in the odds of a match that will be played 4 or 5 days later. You can wait and then see what the odds will be for Inter Miami when Messi is injured or Al-Nassr when Cristiano is not playing. You will see a very significant difference.

I don't think any numbers from these low leagues matter. It would be interesting to see, for example, how PSG's chances change with and without Mbappe, or Bayern's chances with and without Kane. But there is one catch here. For example, with Mbappe the chances of PSG are 1.2, and without Mbappe 1.25 and it seems to us that 0.05 is a meager change, but in fact in the first case the probability is 83%, and in the second 80%. 3% is still minuscule right? Depending on what to look at - we all understand that PSG against an outsider in any case will not be quoted higher than, for example, 1.6 (otherwise bettors will take easy money), so this change should be assessed relative to some range where the rate can theoretically be. For example 1.15-1.6. so 0.05 of 0.45 is already a solid 11%.

How do you view our discussion here, mate? it is precisely by looking at the minor leagues that we can significantly see how the odds change if a star player is played or not.

I think it's irrelevant to discuss big teams here, for example if there's no Mbappe, they still have Neymar or Messi (a case study when Neymar and Messi were still at PSG), of course the changes that have occurred are not significant because Mbappe is not one the only star player there.

Make lots of bets on minor leagues so you understand how changes will occur if key players/stars don't play any role in a match.
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everything you said is true, but if that happens, the coach usually has another strategy to maintain his team's performance in order to be able to win the match even though the star players have to be injured and stop playing. This sort of thing has happened in the past but it's also rare these days as star players will usually be able to maintain their physical stability to avoid getting injured to avoid something that could lead to an accident in a match.
and usually if this problem occurs the team coach has a replacement player or else the formation will be changed to a stronger defense.
Indeed, the coach must have another strategy if a star player is injured or unable to compete because the coach must be able to maintain the performance of other players so that they are not affected by the presence of star players. But usually, star players will become targets of the opposing team so that star players cannot show their performance during matches.

Usually, the coach has prepared other players who may have almost the same performance as the star players so that it will continue to encourage other players to show their performance. But the problem is in the bookies because the presence of a star player can increase the bet.
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It obviously does affect the odds, the strength of a team is determined by the quality of its players and their recent form, so when a star player has been playing exceptionally well and their team has been performing very well, the bookies will definitely consider the presence of the star player in a match based on the levels of contribution you've mentioned, a start player playing a full match will obviously make the odds of them winning higher than them being substituted in or out.

However, I believe that the form of a player is also a very important factor for a bookie to consider before deciding the odds. Even if a team has more star players than one, if none of them has been performing well lately, the odds will be different because they are out of form and might not score or play well.
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My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Yes, they are. That's why they called "star players" in the first place as they are an important key of the team.

Star players are a big factor; an important piece of a team while on the other hand, being a threat to their opponent. You will notice the change in most cases in pre-game odds and let's say these players are reported to be sidelined, It's noticeable that we can see a said team having unusual odds especially if this team is considered always a favorite.

During a live bet, it also affects the changes of odds when let's say, these star players got injured in the game and have no chance of getting back. Even if the said team is currently in the lead, expect that odds will be changed against them due to the fact that the said star player plays an important role overall on the team.
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I believe it depends on the game that you are trying to bet on. Let's say you are betting on an NBA game and the star player couldn't play that game, that would affect their chances because only he might be the one who is going to make the scores and he being injured or not being able to play the game just decrease the chances of his team of winning.

They are star players for a reason they could carry their whole team. I think it's easy to say that they have an influence on how the game would turn out hence affecting the odds.
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I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.
I don't think this is just for the star players but the team also is very important in a match making one odd to be bigger than the other that is mostly depending on the past matches. If a big team is playing with a small team then we expected the odd of the big team to be lesser than that of the small team. The small team is always given a bigger odds making them to put more effort to there winning. Most time when it's obvious that the big team will beat the small team, they are always given  small odds to complete.
The teams performance is much considered, however if a star player is in the squad the odds will surely have small difference from the regular odds. As said it is true that the leading team will have smaller odd against the trailing team. However if there is a star player the trailing team will also have better odds. This we can see with most of the sports. To know the difference we need to watch the odds variation on live betting.
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