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Quote from: serjent05 on August 23, 2023, 07:11:53 PM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

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It does affect the odds of a bet especially when they are performing well. I also don't think star players are just a placebo effect to increase the morale of the team. They are called star players for a reason. Star players are often the core of the team. The play almost revolves around them and the coach can use it to trick their opponent. It is either playing a center of focus or a decoy to enable the other members of the team a chance to make a score.

Of course, there are lots of factors that can affect the odds of a game and one of it is the performance of their star player and how he is used by the coach.

^ That sound I agree more and right, Star players indeed go beyond being mere morale boosters, they are called "star" players precisely because of their exceptional skills and consistent performance. The reason why bookmakers and odds makers take these considerations into account when setting the odds for a match. The presence, form, and impact of star players can certainly sway the odds in favor of a team, reflecting their potential to influence the game's outcome. However, this is only one of those odds that we should consider, there are so many factors that will probably affect on the match.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

It does affect the odds of a bet especially when they are performing well. I also don't think star players are just a placebo effect to increase the morale of the team. They are called star players for a reason. Star players are often the core of the team. The play almost revolves around them and the coach can use it to trick their opponent. It is either playing a center of focus or a decoy to enable the other members of the team a chance to make a score.

Of course, there are lots of factors that can affect the odds of a game and one of it is the performance of their star player and how he is used by the coach.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 23, 2023, 05:02:07 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 04:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated.

If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.

I don't think there's anyone who would want to oppose the view that star players does hugely affect the odds of a match bet.
The fact that these star players has the ability to single-handedly change the result of a game even when all hope is lost is another reason to know that betting companies considers teams with players with higher qualities as the ones that are likely to win hence drastically reducing their their odds against the lesser quality team before the start of a match.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 04:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

Definitely, since we believe that a team having a star player can help them achieve their goals and if there's no star player during the game, you can expect a different result. Star player affects the decision of the better and that is where the odds changes. If you are betting with your favorite team, you are actually looking for their top players and that will be your basis for your bet, I do this most of the time and the odds changed based on the players of a team.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 23, 2023, 05:02:07 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 04:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated.

If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.

Funny enough is the truth that there's a star player in every team. Some just shine brighter than others.
In my opinion, It is not sufficient to make bookies give odds just to favor a team over another, unless it is that there are more star players, team spirit, in that team, compared to the other team.
If a team has like 3star players and want to play a match against a side with 5star players, it is obvious to say that 5star man team gets great odds.
I also think if a team has been known to produce or harness star players consecutively, it has good impact on their odds following a match bet.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 04:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated.

If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.

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Quote from: Westinhome on August 23, 2023, 01:49:08 PM

Quote from: Blitzboy on August 23, 2023, 12:26:54 PM

Isnt this a cute way to oversimplify how important star players are? You suppose "playing part of a game" or "being replaced"? Sports are not all or nothing. Its not checkers. Seeing a star player alone impacts the game mentally and strategically.

Stories, narratives, and powerful people move us. Sports and people are drawn to these folks. Messi and Ronaldo arent just big names or flashy brands; they're the best examples of how humans have changed over time. They strain their physical and mental limitations on the pitch.

Now, about the chance of winning a bet: of course they do! Bookies are smart. The odds consider a player's name, recent performance, and strategy impact. Its stupid to disagree. In order to calculate the probabilities of these "four levels of contribution," you should first understand how they are linked rather than arranging them in boxes like a child's puzzle.

Star players will be the turning point in the game,the star players will impact both the match and the team.Most of us come across the names of Messi and Ronaldo, this player not only earn the name for them.They also made their team name to the world fans.The name of this player is not a brand, but they made their name as an brand.All the sports person now know the name of this two people.If you chosen the star players,the possibility of winning is very high.For this reason the bookies choose based on the players performance all the time.Maximum the key players will made their best game and allow you to win more money.Only on the rare of rarest time,their performance will not upto the expected and that game may be leads to the loss.

Bare in mind on such one possible scenario, who would really be on their right minds as a bookie that setting out favorites and giving those odds if they do know that the star player wont really be playing? Of course it would really be that making out that kind of effect in speaking about odds of a match bet. Specially on a team based type of sport then it would really be just that understandable that presence of their star player would really be giving out that kind of boost of moral in between their team members which it would really be tha significant thats why on the time that their star playe is absent or not really that able to play the game then bettors would already know on what they should gonna do. They wont really be that so dumb or naive on betting on a team despite of being that favorite but if their main player isnt there then there's no point
on doing that.

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Quote from: Iroh on August 23, 2023, 10:59:23 AM

I don't think just one individual player, no matter how much of a star he may seem to be influences much. Football is a team effort irrespective of the contribution of one or two players who may seemingly perform and play better. They've been multiple instances where not so strong teams having the better chances of winning when going up against stronger teams having the best players.

I agree that football is a team game, not an individual game. So, cohesiveness or compactness is more influential than the big name of one or two players. That's why sometimes a smaller team can beat a stronger team if the small team can cooperate better. A star player in a strong team can be useless if they can't play as a solid/cohesive team. However, if a star player plays in the right team, he can make a difference because he has the ability above the average players. You can see Messi, he can lead Argentina to win world cup and lead Barcelona to win many trophies because of his special ability. Whenever he played, he can attract most defenders of the opponents because he is difficult to stop. He has extra ordinary skills in dribbling, so it becomes a big challenge for opposing defenders. With this situation, there are many opened spaces to attack because most the defenders will try to stop Messi. It is the reality of how a star player can contribute much to increase the winning chance. So, many people place a bet on the team where Messi plays.

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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Star players have no influence on the gambling odds. Gambling odds is multifaceted than mere numbers. Things like the team's strength in attack, defense, teamwork go into the determination or setting up of gambling odds. Stars don't win championship, teams do. For instance, PSG with all the stars couldn't win the championship.

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Quote from: Iroh on August 23, 2023, 10:59:23 AM

I don't think just one individual player, no matter how much of a star he may seem to be influences much. Football is a team effort irrespective of the contribution of one or two players who may seemingly perform and play better. They've been multiple instances where not so strong teams having the better chances of winning when going up against stronger teams having the best players.
While a superb player could perhaps influence the odds a little, there are several factors that would contribute to the odds of a game.

But still, there are many more examples when a team with the best players wins. I agree that the question of which is stronger - team play or the team with star players is interesting, but if we take two identical teams (in every sense) and add a top player to one of them, this will shift the odds.
As for the magnitude of the shift, I can say from my own experience that bookmakers rarely seriously move the line even if some very significant new factors appear.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

A star player in a team can be reason a team wins. Bookmakers do not directly consider the individual performance of these players, but they know that the presence of these players in the team will greatly contribute to how the game will go. If a star player is on top performance and they know that with him in the team playing against another team, there is a chance to win, it affects the odds that is placed on them to win. Bookmakers evaluate the performance of a team to fix odds, when there is a star player who has the ability to influence the game's outcome, they put them under consideration too.

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Lol anyone who’s says anything other than absolutely a star player affects the outcome of the game greatly doesn’t have a clue what they’re talking about. The star players are what makes a team good, and with out them their teams odds of winning increase drastically.

This is the same reason some sports books won’t list the odds if the playing status of the player is unknown at that moment.

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Quote from: Iroh on August 23, 2023, 10:59:23 AM

I don't think just one individual player, no matter how much of a star he may seem to be influences much. Football is a team effort irrespective of the contribution of one or two players who may seemingly perform and play better. They've been multiple instances where not so strong teams having the better chances of winning when going up against stronger teams having the best players.
While a superb player could perhaps influence the odds a little, there are several factors that would contribute to the odds of a game.

Yes, that sounds quite reasonable and some of these teams can sometimes turn things around when they meet a team with a myriad of star players. The most important thing is how a team can give a good performance and with more confidence it can produce a spirit that can beat doubts. I think even though the presence of star players can be a measure of victory, the fact that an ordinary team with fairly even depth can be a plus in a match.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

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My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Of course they do, star players are not just another player, they are considered stars because their sole presence can alter the course of the game, as they could do nothing for the majority of the game but if for a few seconds they demonstrate their brilliance that is enough to win the game, and this is extremely common even on teams sports where a lot of players are on the field, and most of the time those players are the reason why a good team becomes a legendary team and they can crush their competitors.

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I think everything affects the odds to some degree (I don’t think affect is the right word here). Even if momentarily, you’d think every bet placed for any reason has an effect on the marketplace or betting odds. People can place bets for any reason. Maybe their star player is getting divorced or they saw them buying cold medicine in the news. Who know? Theoretically though, any and everything will effect the odds.

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While I don't really think that a single player could turn the tides of the game towards their team, I always find myself accounting for star players whenever I bet on games with them. Sometimes they just do so much you know, that they greatly affect the way the game turns out especially in games like basketball, football, and eSports, although as for the latter it's not so much apparent. Regardless, even if you don't think that these star players are going to affect the game's outcome, it's best to just account for them every now and again to make sure your predictions are in line with reality as much as possible. I find that if I disregard them in my games I lose horribly, so I just started taking their existence into account. I can't say I experienced an apparent increase in win rates, but at the very least it gives me this sense of confidence that I took everything into consideration.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

I don't think it's completely influenced and depends on the opponent they face in the match. Take the example of PSG when they played in the Champions League and they had star players last season but when we bet on winning they actually lost in certain matches when they faced clubs that had the same quality. It is possible that these star players will affect the match if they face a club below their standard, so the bookies provide bigger winning odds for them.

The answer may depend on the match they face or it can also be seen from some of the percentages of previous encounters, but to say as a whole there is no guarantee that the presence of a star player will affect the winning percentage of the game or in the betting itself. If that's a strong reason then it's easy to take a chance to win at gambling bets because it only relies on star players, but the fact is not so, right?

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 04:44:46 PM

I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

I would say absolutely and Messi and Ronaldo are the most crystal clear example of such thing.Of course there are other star players who can make a difference and these maybe not so well known but yet still super star for the teams where they play.I will make an example of many many years ago of Wagner Love a Brazilian attacker of CSKA Moscow who used to score goals even against strong teams in Champions League and back at that time the title in Russia was not something disputable,CSKA used to win it almost every year at the time of this player,so yes they definitely impact the odds.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on August 23, 2023, 12:26:54 PM

Isnt this a cute way to oversimplify how important star players are? You suppose "playing part of a game" or "being replaced"? Sports are not all or nothing. Its not checkers. Seeing a star player alone impacts the game mentally and strategically.

Stories, narratives, and powerful people move us. Sports and people are drawn to these folks. Messi and Ronaldo arent just big names or flashy brands; they're the best examples of how humans have changed over time. They strain their physical and mental limitations on the pitch.

Now, about the chance of winning a bet: of course they do! Bookies are smart. The odds consider a player's name, recent performance, and strategy impact. Its stupid to disagree. In order to calculate the probabilities of these "four levels of contribution," you should first understand how they are linked rather than arranging them in boxes like a child's puzzle.

Star players will be the turning point in the game,the star players will impact both the match and the team.Most of us come across the names of Messi and Ronaldo, this player not only earn the name for them.They also made their team name to the world fans.The name of this player is not a brand, but they made their name as an brand.All the sports person now know the name of this two people.If you chosen the star players,the possibility of winning is very high.For this reason the bookies choose based on the players performance all the time.Maximum the key players will made their best game and allow you to win more money.Only on the rare of rarest time,their performance will not upto the expected and that game may be leads to the loss.

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