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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.

I don't think this is just for the star players but the team also is very important in a match making one odd to be bigger than the other that is mostly depending on the past matches. If a big team is playing with a small team then we expected the odd of the big team to be lesser than that of the small team. The small team is always given a bigger odds making them to put more effort to there winning. Most time when it's obvious that the big team will beat the small team, they are always given small odds to complete.

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you should see the odd with inter miami its prime example, with the presence of messi, its getting reduced in term of odds, so I guess it does affect how the way odds are judged.
but I'd argue that a more established clubs in which have very good history of matches are definitely gonna be having more reduced odds in this case in which outweigh star player.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

I believe there are many factors that affect the odd, but I will say star players contribute seriously to the odd changes; in fact, I have witnessed it many times before. For example, when one particular star player gets injured, especially in training, you will see that betting companies are reducing the odds. It is due to happen, but I believe that only those who spend some time in a betting company may witness it. Let us know that the absence of stars in the squad always reduces the strength of the team,so star players always have important roles they play in making changes.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 24, 2023, 07:38:32 AM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Do you mean whether a star player affects the odds from the perspective of a gambler or whether the bookies adjust the odds because of what's happening around a star player? Like whether he gets substituted in or not etc.

I think that in-game odds never significantly changed if I recall correctly, when for example Mbappe was brought on in a game against Bayern Munich. That would also go too far I think. I think that most of these hypothetical four scenarios you outlined above are already priced into the odds provided pre-game by the bookies. From a gambler's perspective I think it can have some influence on the expectations. But would I place an additional bet because Messi gets substituted in in the 74' minute? I think I haven't done that so far.

I was thinking more in line of the perspectives of the bookies when making odds, as at the time I created this conversation.
It is okay to also express your opinion from the perspective of the gambler, at least we still get to see a difference in views from what everyone has seen before.
The gambler has options and it is the quality of the information on their star player(s) and the team they play for, that can easily influence the kind of option and expectation they may or may not get.

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Quote from: MAAManda on August 24, 2023, 03:40:41 AM

Of course, whether or not a star player plays or not will affect the odds, especially if the star player is the focus of a team. You can see it from the change in the odds of a match that will be played 4 or 5 days later. You can wait and then see what the odds will be for Inter Miami when Messi is injured or Al-Nassr when Cristiano is not playing. You will see a very significant difference.

I don't think any numbers from these low leagues matter. It would be interesting to see, for example, how PSG's chances change with and without Mbappe, or Bayern's chances with and without Kane. But there is one catch here. For example, with Mbappe the chances of PSG are 1.2, and without Mbappe 1.25 and it seems to us that 0.05 is a meager change, but in fact in the first case the probability is 83%, and in the second 80%. 3% is still minuscule right? Depending on what to look at - we all understand that PSG against an outsider in any case will not be quoted higher than, for example, 1.6 (otherwise bettors will take easy money), so this change should be assessed relative to some range where the rate can theoretically be. For example 1.15-1.6. so 0.05 of 0.45 is already a solid 11%.

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Quote from: Ulven on August 22, 2023, 05:26:58 PM

Yes, star players can have a significant impact on the odds of a bet or wager on a match, considering the four levels of contribution you mentioned. The level of contribution a star player provides in a match can influence the outcome and subsequently affect the odds. As prominent players have a significant impact on the final result of the game, bookmakers and betting markets consider their presence and performance when setting odds. It's crucial to remember that other factors, outside only the participation of the star player, such as team dynamics, recent performance, injuries, and other elements, affect the odds.

The odds is greatly effected by the players featured on the match and this also have to do with timing and some other factors that lead on to the ruin up of the match, if you have noticed, some matches that are 1 to 2 weeks ahead have higher odds and as the match day draw near, so the odds will start reducing or increasing because ot can go in both ways, but most importantly if a big player either get listed or removed from the feature due to either injury or othe factors that can also effects the odds.

I have noticed this is the Asernal coming weekend game, when I checked last week that Gabrel Jesus was not yet on the lineup, the odds were higher, but with the recent hints that Jesus will play the weekend game, their odds have reduced since they know the star player will work to aid his team winning and increasing the possibilities.

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I think maybe that could happen because there are still many who think that a club filled with star players will always win and be favored, even though it is clear that in the European league not all great clubs are like that, there are even top-tier clubs beaten by clubs from the bottom-tier, so it can't be a priority there are star players in that club and can be underdogs even though it also affects the betting odds.

I may be a person who is not too interested in seeing the star players in it, sometimes we also need to know when there are some clubs that may feel exhausted from participating in several big leagues in Europe and end up having a declining performance so that sometimes they can be beaten by clubs at the bottom, this is often once applied and I think everyone knows that, if asked if it had an effect, it was clear that it would have had an influence. Wink

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Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 03:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated.

If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.

Funny enough is the truth that there's a star player in every team. Some just shine brighter than others.
In my opinion, It is not sufficient to make bookies give odds just to favor a team over another, unless it is that there are more star players, team spirit, in that team, compared to the other team.
If a team has like 3star players and want to play a match against a side with 5star players, it is obvious to say that 5star man team gets great odds.
I also think if a team has been known to produce or harness star players consecutively, it has good impact on their odds following a match bet.

I think that is already given because these bookies are always one step ahead on us bettors, it's like they always have a solid inside information before that same information reach to us which will also mirror the odds that they will give in a specific game. A team that has more star players means that they are likely to win, not guaranteed though but in-terms of chances, they have an edge against the other team.

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Quote from: maydna on August 24, 2023, 03:41:40 AM

The presence of star players can make the team's game grow and have more chances to win because the presence of star players will be the key to the cohesiveness of the game between fellow players. That will give more potential to dominate the game and pressure opponents so bettors have the confidence to choose that team.

But when a star player has a problem on the field and keeps him from continuing, it will make other players experience a drop in performance because they don't find opportunities to provide better opportunities than before. That will change all bets where a team of star players might experience a slump in performance, and if the opposing team sees it as an opportunity, they will try to suppress it and get a win. This will be a loss for bettors who have chosen a team with star players.

everything you said is true, but if that happens, the coach usually has another strategy to maintain his team's performance in order to be able to win the match even though the star players have to be injured and stop playing. This sort of thing has happened in the past but it's also rare these days as star players will usually be able to maintain their physical stability to avoid getting injured to avoid something that could lead to an accident in a match.
and usually if this problem occurs the team coach has a replacement player or else the formation will be changed to a stronger defense.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Do you mean whether a star player affects the odds from the perspective of a gambler or whether the bookies adjust the odds because of what's happening around a star player? Like whether he gets substituted in or not etc.

I think that in-game odds never significantly changed if I recall correctly, when for example Mbappe was brought on in a game against Bayern Munich. That would also go too far I think. I think that most of these hypothetical four scenarios you outlined above are already priced into the odds provided pre-game by the bookies. From a gambler's perspective I think it can have some influence on the expectations. But would I place an additional bet because Messi gets substituted in in the 74' minute? I think I haven't done that so far.

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Quote from: radjie on August 24, 2023, 02:47:04 AM

The involvement of star players can certainly affect the club itself, for example in football, it can encourage a team's playing style to become more confident because there is lots of support from people and it can even increase the popularity of the club itself.

The presence of star players can make the team's game grow and have more chances to win because the presence of star players will be the key to the cohesiveness of the game between fellow players. That will give more potential to dominate the game and pressure opponents so bettors have the confidence to choose that team.

But when a star player has a problem on the field and keeps him from continuing, it will make other players experience a drop in performance because they don't find opportunities to provide better opportunities than before. That will change all bets where a team of star players might experience a slump in performance, and if the opposing team sees it as an opportunity, they will try to suppress it and get a win. This will be a loss for bettors who have chosen a team with star players.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Of course, whether or not a star player plays or not will affect the odds, especially if the star player is the focus of a team. You can see it from the change in the odds of a match that will be played 4 or 5 days later. You can wait and then see what the odds will be for Inter Miami when Messi is injured or Al-Nassr when Cristiano is not playing. You will see a very significant difference.

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Quote from: Rabata on August 24, 2023, 01:11:03 AM

The things that we usually focus on before betting on a match is that the team that has the number of good players or the team that has a star player has a higher chance of winning. The chances of winning increase in the team in which Messi or other players are present. Moreover, the same picture can be seen even if we look at the history. Compared to teams that have star players or good players, the probability of winning is greatly increased and it also has a big impact on betting odds.

When we find out that a star player will miss the upcoming match, for whatever reason, it will also have an effect on the odds. The reasons are understandable, since the absence of a leader in a team can significantly affect the outcome of the match, and his presence can boost morale. But if the star player doesn't play a big role, like Ronaldo did in Manchester United, then it may not have a big impact on the game and odds.

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Of course they do, they are star players because they play good, they have what it takes to turn the game around. Consider any game and check their odds when particular star player played and when he didn't. Answer is obvious.

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The involvement of star players can certainly affect the club itself, for example in football, it can encourage a team's playing style to become more confident because there is lots of support from people and it can even increase the popularity of the club itself.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

Yes, they affect the odds and wagering amount of a bet just like many other factors.

Here you are talking about a soccer game with a star player with four possible scenarios but most likely the odds are settled before the beginning of the matches so these are just nothing to take into consideration but it will effect the results of the game depending on the performance of the star player.

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Quote from: goaldigger on August 23, 2023, 04:49:20 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 03:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

Definitely, since we believe that a team having a star player can help them achieve their goals and if there's no star player during the game, you can expect a different result. Star player affects the decision of the better and that is where the odds changes. If you are betting with your favorite team, you are actually looking for their top players and that will be your basis for your bet, I do this most of the time and the odds changed based on the players of a team.

The things that we usually focus on before betting on a match is that the team that has the number of good players or the team that has a star player has a higher chance of winning. The chances of winning increase in the team in which Messi or other players are present. Moreover, the same picture can be seen even if we look at the history. Compared to teams that have star players or good players, the probability of winning is greatly increased and it also has a big impact on betting odds.

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Quote from: tusandii on August 23, 2023, 10:24:02 PM

That's right, I agree with you who say that star players can really make a difference but not only Messi because just like Ronaldo who managed to lead Al Nassr to win the Arab Champions League because the two goals were all thanks to Ronaldo.
Now star players are one of the mainstays of every football club, even though it is true that star players like that will not create a team, but when in one club there are star players, there will be an advantage in every match that is played.

It's not always Messi and Ronaldo, but there are so many star players out there.

Mbappe, Neymar, Haaland, Osimhen, Leao, Lautaro Martinez, Vinicius, Lewandowski, Bellingham, Saka, etc etc, if they're not playing and you don't see they name in the line up, they're not heavy favorite.

Remember odds are greatly influenced by bettors, most of people judge the performance based on the line up.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 23, 2023, 04:02:07 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 23, 2023, 03:43:39 PM

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated.

If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.

That's right, I agree with you who say that star players can really make a difference but not only Messi because just like Ronaldo who managed to lead Al Nassr to win the Arab Champions League because the two goals were all thanks to Ronaldo.
Now star players are one of the mainstays of every football club, even though it is true that star players like that will not create a team, but when in one club there are star players, there will be an advantage in every match that is played.

That's because star players can always surprise or make the football club win.
When there are only players who are not very popular, the interest from people will decrease and we can also realize that a club with ordinary players will never be able to achieve victory in important events.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 23, 2023, 06:11:53 PM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 22, 2023, 03:44:46 PM

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It does affect the odds of a bet especially when they are performing well. I also don't think star players are just a placebo effect to increase the morale of the team. They are called star players for a reason. Star players are often the core of the team. The play almost revolves around them and the coach can use it to trick their opponent. It is either playing a center of focus or a decoy to enable the other members of the team a chance to make a score.

Of course, there are lots of factors that can affect the odds of a game and one of it is the performance of their star player and how he is used by the coach.

^ That sound I agree more and right, Star players indeed go beyond being mere morale boosters, they are called "star" players precisely because of their exceptional skills and consistent performance. The reason why bookmakers and odds makers take these considerations into account when setting the odds for a match. The presence, form, and impact of star players can certainly sway the odds in favor of a team, reflecting their potential to influence the game's outcome. However, this is only one of those odds that we should consider, there are so many factors that will probably affect on the match.

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