Topic: Do you believe in god? - page 179. (Read 316209 times)
Sounds more like your God is brain dead. Creating things he can't control
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?
God made the devil in the form of a good angel. The devil corrupted his ways because he decided to become conceited. It was his decision.
The devil started to fight against God when he tempted Adam and Eve into sin in the Garden.
God gave the devil His strength before the devil became the devil. Then the devil became the devil. Now God has to fight His own strength just to fight the devil.
God wants to help people. The devil is "protecting" people - devil protecting people means keeping the people in their misery and pain - from Gods help. And the thing that the devil is using to protect the people from God, is the willingness of the people to remain away from God's protection.
The devil has limited abilities. Many of the people of the devil who do not get a lot of pain, remain pain free because the devil doesn't have the strength to fight God and afflict all of his people at the same time. Be glad if you belong to the devil and are not in pain. You lucked out.
Btw, the devil is aware of you now that you are being pointed out to him by your words in this forum. Come to Jesus and get under God's protection, because the devil just might find time to plunge you into some more pain in your life.
His message is pretty much. "worship me or I will torture you forever" what a loving God. Sounds like North Korea
I know. It is difficult to read something that you cannot answer. You didn't read what I said. God did NOT make the devil. He made a great angel. The devil made the devil.
God's message is not as you said. God's message is more like, "Don't push me away, because I am the only One Who is keeping you alive. You can't stay alive by yourself."
Go ahead. Try to make yourself live. Grow another arm at will. You can't do it. Make some new life. You can't do it. Outside of God, this is only done in science fiction.
I thought he was omnipresent and knew everything
God doesn't think along those lines. God thinks in a positive way. The failure of the devil and those people who go with the devil is being corrected, like when you put new spark plugs in a car, and one becomes faulty immediately upon starting the car. You replace that one. In this case, God is replacing the universe with a new one. But He is taking out of this universe as many people as will come with Him first, to be with Him in the new universe.
God holds the choice open for you... for a time. Come with us, or not. The choice is yours.
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?
God made the devil in the form of a good angel. The devil corrupted his ways because he decided to become conceited. It was his decision.
The devil started to fight against God when he tempted Adam and Eve into sin in the Garden.
God gave the devil His strength before the devil became the devil. Then the devil became the devil. Now God has to fight His own strength just to fight the devil.
God wants to help people. The devil is "protecting" people - devil protecting people means keeping the people in their misery and pain - from Gods help. And the thing that the devil is using to protect the people from God, is the willingness of the people to remain away from God's protection.
The devil has limited abilities. Many of the people of the devil who do not get a lot of pain, remain pain free because the devil doesn't have the strength to fight God and afflict all of his people at the same time. Be glad if you belong to the devil and are not in pain. You lucked out.
Btw, the devil is aware of you now that you are being pointed out to him by your words in this forum. Come to Jesus and get under God's protection, because the devil just might find time to plunge you into some more pain in your life.
His message is pretty much. "worship me or I will torture you forever" what a loving God. Sounds like North Korea
I know. It is difficult to read something that you cannot answer. You didn't read what I said. God did NOT make the devil. He made a great angel. The devil made the devil.
God's message is not as you said. God's message is more like, "Don't push me away, because I am the only One Who is keeping you alive. You can't stay alive by yourself."
Go ahead. Try to make yourself live. Grow another arm at will. You can't do it. Make some new life. You can't do it. Outside of God, this is only done in science fiction.
I thought he was omnipresent and knew everything
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?
God made the devil in the form of a good angel. The devil corrupted his ways because he decided to become conceited. It was his decision.
The devil started to fight against God when he tempted Adam and Eve into sin in the Garden.
God gave the devil His strength before the devil became the devil. Then the devil became the devil. Now God has to fight His own strength just to fight the devil.
God wants to help people. The devil is "protecting" people - devil protecting people means keeping the people in their misery and pain - from Gods help. And the thing that the devil is using to protect the people from God, is the willingness of the people to remain away from God's protection.
The devil has limited abilities. Many of the people of the devil who do not get a lot of pain, remain pain free because the devil doesn't have the strength to fight God and afflict all of his people at the same time. Be glad if you belong to the devil and are not in pain. You lucked out.
Btw, the devil is aware of you now that you are being pointed out to him by your words in this forum. Come to Jesus and get under God's protection, because the devil just might find time to plunge you into some more pain in your life.
His message is pretty much. "worship me or I will torture you forever" what a loving God. Sounds like North Korea
I know. It is difficult to read something that you cannot answer. You didn't read what I said. God did NOT make the devil. He made a great angel. The devil made the devil.
God's message is not as you said. God's message is more like, "Don't push me away, because I am the only One Who is keeping you alive. You can't stay alive by yourself."
Go ahead. Try to make yourself live. Grow another arm at will. You can't do it. Make some new life. You can't do it. Outside of God, this is only done in science fiction.
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?
God made the devil in the form of a good angel. The devil corrupted his ways because he decided to become conceited. It was his decision.
The devil started to fight against God when he tempted Adam and Eve into sin in the Garden.
God gave the devil His strength before the devil became the devil. Then the devil became the devil. Now God has to fight His own strength just to fight the devil.
God wants to help people. The devil is "protecting" people - devil protecting people means keeping the people in their misery and pain - from Gods help. And the thing that the devil is using to protect the people from God, is the willingness of the people to remain away from God's protection.
The devil has limited abilities. Many of the people of the devil who do not get a lot of pain, remain pain free because the devil doesn't have the strength to fight God and afflict all of his people at the same time. Be glad if you belong to the devil and are not in pain. You lucked out.
Btw, the devil is aware of you now that you are being pointed out to him by your words in this forum. Come to Jesus and get under God's protection, because the devil just might find time to plunge you into some more pain in your life.
His message is pretty much. "worship me or I will torture you forever" what a loving God. Sounds like North Korea
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?
God made the devil in the form of a good angel. The devil corrupted his ways because he decided to become conceited. It was his decision.
The devil started to fight against God when he tempted Adam and Eve into sin in the Garden.
God gave the devil His strength before the devil became the devil. Then the devil became the devil. Now God has to fight His own strength just to fight the devil.
God wants to help people. The devil is "protecting" people - devil protecting people means keeping the people in their misery and pain - from Gods help. And the thing that the devil is using to protect the people from God, is the willingness of the people to remain away from God's protection.
The devil has limited abilities. Many of the people of the devil who do not get a lot of pain, remain pain free because the devil doesn't have the strength to fight God and afflict all of his people at the same time. Be glad if you belong to the devil and are not in pain. You lucked out.
Btw, the devil is aware of you now that you are being pointed out to him by your words in this forum. Come to Jesus and get under God's protection, because the devil just might find time to plunge you into some more pain in your life.
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?
I am not interested in serious discussion...
Ok
One might shorten its handle to "dippy." when speaking with it.
Seriously, this coming out of your mouth....
That I am aware of, this forum does not have audio capabilities. So, no, it is not.
EDIT: But "Dizzy" might suffice in short term.
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?
why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?
I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
No. Science have yet top prove a magic sky-daddy. You are making it up
.....unless there is agreement on metaphysical assumptions then the cannot even be agreement on what counts as evidence, leave aside the matter of evaluating the strength of evidence...
I don't need anyone to agree with my imagination. Also, my imagination is very real to me.
I am not interested in serious discussion...
Ok
One might shorten its handle to "dippy." when speaking with it.
Seriously, this coming out of your mouth....
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
But science and nature prove that God exists. So, why not believe in the real God?
I am not interested in serious discussion...
Ok
One might shorten its handle to "dippy." when speaking with it.
I don't believe in God. The idea of there being someone who knows everything about me, who decides what is right and what is wrong and makes the decision when to take lives scares me. I hate it when people die and others say "God took their lives". No! That people did not die because God wanted it. They died because they died.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
God is not more than an idea, somebody else's tale. There is no real evidence to believe in God. All that we see in nature was there and will be there.
God is an imaginary figure, which helps the society to bind together to do good to each other. But real good has to happen as a result of your love and wish.
yes , god isnt just more than a imaginary thing. there is no god who ruins people's life. people want to believe some thing so they believe every kind of god which they created many years before.
I am not interested in serious discussion...
Ok
I do not usually bother to reply to people who are obviously not interested in serious discussion but I will make an exception this time................
...........Because perhaps the most absurd modern metaphysical assumption of all is that metaphysics is meaningless and all decisions should be made on the basis of 'evidence'!
I am not interested in serious discussion - I am interested in discussion. You are breaking your own rules here by making this exception. You have to ask yourself why did you do that? I think I might know the answer to this question and guess what - it's not even close to metaphysical.
I agree with the most absurd metaphysical assumption of all in that all decisions should be made on the basis of evidence. Why? Because I am my own measuring stick and always will be and I am not the only one. I am the first evidence of any and all metaphysics and I will continue to state to you that I am evidential.
... I think it is now the time for the divine to rise up outside of these institutions that are all based and fundamentally structured upon these "ancient scriptures".
I believe in God. He is my very best imaginary friend. 
I do not usually bother to reply to people who are obviously not interested in serious discussion but I will make an exception this time.
Fix your life? Fix your metaphysics by Bruce Charlton
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2016/06/fix-your-life-fix-your-metaphysics.html
Metaphysics are your fundamental assumptions. These are chosen: they were chosen by you (although you probably weren't aware of choosing them, but just passively accepted them).
Fundamental assumptions are chosen - but they are not arbitrary; because the assumptions have consequences. You can choose whatever you want to believe - but sometimes you will not be able to make yourself live-by these chosen beliefs; and other times you will live by them (including thinking by them) such that they lead to nonsensical and therefore self-refuting outcomes.
The trouble is that in a world where people have stopped thinking- and when their assumptions lead to incoherent, nonsensical conclusions, instead of sorting-out their metaphysics - they just stop thinking (easier to do than ever before in human history - due to the ubiquity of mass media and social media).
Anyway - my point is that if you have certain (very common) assumptions, then you will either have a nihilistic, hope-less and despairing world view --- or else you will have to stop yourself thinking about anything serious.
There are innumerable commonly-held assumptions that lead to this: that Man has no free will, that the world is either random and unpredictable or else rigidly predetermined, that nothing exists except what has been described by 'science', that morality is a matter of opinion, that beauty is wholly in the eye of the beholder... oh, there are dozens of such.
Indeed, most of people's primary assumptions nowadays are of a type that lead to nonsensical or incoherent conclusions - so it is futile to complain about the low standard of rational public debate when rational debate is only possible on the basis that people are able and willing to examine and revise their assumptions when they lead to absurd outcomes.
Because perhaps the most absurd modern metaphysical assumption of all is that metaphysics is meaningless and all decisions should be made on the basis of 'evidence'!
Whereas (as quickly becomes apparent in any disagreement) unless there is agreement on metaphysical assumptions then the cannot even be agreement on what counts as evidence, leave aside the matter of evaluating the strength of evidence...
Yes, i believe in god. Cause we are here now and life. and see a grace of everyday, then miracle from GOD. when it's impossible be IM_POSSIBLE.
This is a view I also understand. I read ancient scriptures as guidance from a far wiser being given to help a primitive and desperate mankind. A gift of truth delivered in a way to make it both functional and comprehensible to our limited intellects. You are not necessarily required to believe in eternal torment to believe in God other interpretations exist. The Old Testament for example has no talk of eternal torment. It simply says that iniquity will befall those who hate God and warns us that the penalty for certain actions is death. It is entirely possible that these are simply a warning, a request that we not kill and hurt ourselves for the iniquity is delivered not via divine retribution but the inevitable consequences of our own foolish choices.
Ancient writings were written by clever intellectual writers to steer the path of a grouping of people. Over millennia a number of these texts have survived and have been filled in, adjusted and edited to comply with the at-that-time need for steering paths. These writings are a religio-cultural product and have ever been used as a monetary-power base. This will NEVER EVER change. In the world of today, these writings, because they are (all of them) used in the buildings with steeples or domes that I see fit to symbolize with the places where tragically, the wonderful idea of God has been buried for millennia now. I think it is now the time for the divine to rise up outside of these institutions that are all based and fundamentally structured upon these "ancient scriptures".
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