Topic: Do you believe in god? - page 180. (Read 316068 times)

But but you said he builds sheds ..Now i believed you because Jesus was a carpenter and he must of built a shed or 2 in his life?..
So ok god doesn't build sheds he builds worlds only to tear it down?..Because he never uses good materials..

So is this like a bad builder who builds something bad and then gives compensation to the customer for the bad build..
So gods messes building this planet then offers compensation in the way of eternal life in heaven..
Hmmm never thought of it like that way before..I wonder if heaven is falling to bits?..

Now if i got it wrong again could you explain what god builds and tears down like we all would do?..

Poor little Fluffer Overblow. The nickname fits you.   

As you know full well, I'm only going allow your god permission to let me into heaven if he grovels on the floor and begs me for forgiveness. Even then, I'm not making any promises. Depends what mood I'm in at the time.

Be happy that God knows that it is me you are upset with. But if you become upset with Him and speak against Him, He just might lock you out of Heaven permanently.

Fancy BADlogic's god building a shed out of rotten wood and dodgy nails.

Sounds like the maker of the shed is equally rotten and dodgy.  

I am beginning to understand you, now, popcorn1. You haven't learned, yet, that parables, allegories, imagery, and metaphors almost never exactly match the reality. They are simply there to give a basic idea, and you can twist them all out of shape if you want.

Go back and look again, and see if you can understand the correct interpretation.

Just goes to show how thick your god is?..Why would you build a shed with flawed nails and rotten wood?..
I have built many things not once did i use rotten wood..Why because it breaks in your hand..No good using rusty nails..
So your god builds things with no clue if the stuff he uses is any good .. A STUPID GOD YOU KNOW..
Now if your god learnt Jesus all he knew Jesus must of been one bad carpenter  ..

You just made your god sound even more unreal .. Your Gods thinking is stupid

BADecker you are so clueless. "God thinks in a positive way"? What an idiot. Here are 50 passages that I want you to look up that prove you wrong.

Jeremiah 17:4

You shall loosen your hand from your heritage that I gave to you, and I will make you serve your enemies in a land that you do not know, for in my anger a fire is kindled that shall burn forever.”

Romans 5:9

Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Matthew 25:1-46

“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. ...

Micah 7:18

Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love.

Psalm 14:1

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

Judges 4:1-5:31

And the people of Israel again did what was evil in the sight of the Lord after Ehud died. And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth-hagoyim. Then the people of Israel cried out to the Lord for help, for he had 900 chariots of iron and he oppressed the people of Israel cruelly for twenty years. Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the people of Israel came up to her for judgment. ...

Joshua 9:1-27

As soon as all the kings who were beyond the Jordan in the hill country and in the lowland all along the coast of the Great Sea toward Lebanon, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, heard of this, they gathered together as one to fight against Joshua and Israel. But when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done to Jericho and to Ai, they on their part acted with cunning and went and made ready provisions and took worn-out sacks for their donkeys, and wineskins, worn-out and torn and mended, with worn-out, patched sandals on their feet, and worn-out clothes. And all their provisions were dry and crumbly. ...

Genesis 34:1-31

Now Dinah the daughter of Leah, whom she had borne to Jacob, went out to see the women of the land. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he seized her and lay with her and humiliated her. And his soul was drawn to Dinah the daughter of Jacob. He loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her. So Shechem spoke to his father Hamor, saying, “Get me this girl for my wife.” Now Jacob heard that he had defiled his daughter Dinah. But his sons were with his livestock in the field, so Jacob held his peace until they came. ...

Romans 9:13

As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

John 14:1-3

“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

John 1:12

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Malachi 2:3

Behold, I will rebuke your offspring, and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it.

Hosea 6:6

For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Jeremiah 33:7

I will restore the fortunes of Judah and the fortunes of Israel, and rebuild them as they were at first.

Jeremiah 3:12

Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the Lord. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the Lord; I will not be angry forever.

Isaiah 45:5

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me,

Isaiah 14:12

“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

Isaiah 1:1-31

The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth; for the Lord has spoken: “Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.” Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the Lord, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged. Why will you still be struck down? Why will you continue to rebel? The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. ...

Psalm 82:1-7

A Psalm of Asaph. God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.” They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. ...

Psalm 36:9

For with you is the fountain of life; in your light do we see light.

Psalm 30:5

For his anger is but for a moment, and his favor is for a lifetime. Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning.

2 Chronicles 26:20

And Azariah the chief priest and all the priests looked at him, and behold, he was leprous in his forehead! And they rushed him out quickly, and he himself hurried to go out, because the Lord had struck him.

2 Chronicles 24:27

Accounts of his sons and of the many oracles against him and of the rebuilding of the house of God are written in the Story of the Book of the Kings. And Amaziah his son reigned in his place.

2 Chronicles 20:34

Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, from first to last, are written in the chronicles of Jehu the son of Hanani, which are recorded in the Book of the Kings of Israel.

2 Chronicles 13:22

The rest of the acts of Abijah, his ways and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.

2 Chronicles 12:15

Now the acts of Rehoboam, from first to last, are they not written in the chronicles of Shemaiah the prophet and of Iddo the seer? There were continual wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam.

2 Chronicles 9:29

Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the history of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

1 Chronicles 29:29

Now the acts of King David, from first to last, are written in the Chronicles of Samuel the seer, and in the Chronicles of Nathan the prophet, and in the Chronicles of Gad the seer,

1 Chronicles 27

Joab the son of Zeruiah began to count, but did not finish. Yet wrath came upon Israel for this, and the number was not entered in the chronicles of King David.

1 Chronicles 2:29

The name of Abishur's wife was Abihail, and she bore him Ahban and Molid.

2 Kings 21:17

Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh and all that he did, and the sin that he committed, are they not written in the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah?

1 Kings 20:23

And the servants of the king of Syria said to him, “Their gods are gods of the hills, and so they were stronger than we. But let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they.

1 Kings 10:9

Blessed be the Lord your God, who has delighted in you and set you on the throne of Israel! Because the Lord loved Israel forever, he has made you king, that you may execute justice and righteousness.”

Judges 3:7-12:6

And the people of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord. They forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asheroth. Therefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Cushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia. And the people of Israel served Cushan-rishathaim eight years. But when the people of Israel cried out to the Lord, the Lord raised up a deliverer for the people of Israel, who saved them, Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother. The Spirit of the Lord was upon him, and he judged Israel. He went out to war, and the Lord gave Cushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand. And his hand prevailed over Cushan-rishathaim. So the land had rest forty years. Then Othniel the son of Kenaz died. ...

Judges 1:1-36

After the death of Joshua, the people of Israel inquired of the Lord, “Who shall go up first for us against the Canaanites, to fight against them?” The Lord said, “Judah shall go up; behold, I have given the land into his hand.” And Judah said to Simeon his brother, “Come up with me into the territory allotted to me, that we may fight against the Canaanites. And I likewise will go with you into the territory allotted to you.” So Simeon went with him. Then Judah went up and the Lord gave the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand, and they defeated 10,000 of them at Bezek. They found Adoni-bezek at Bezek and fought against him and defeated the Canaanites and the Perizzites. ...

Joshua 10:13

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

Joshua 10:1-43

As soon as Adoni-zedek, king of Jerusalem, heard how Joshua had captured Ai and had devoted it to destruction, doing to Ai and its king as he had done to Jericho and its king, and how the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel and were among them, he feared greatly, because Gibeon was a great city, like one of the royal cities, and because it was greater than Ai, and all its men were warriors. So Adoni-zedek king of Jerusalem sent to Hoham king of Hebron, to Piram king of Jarmuth, to Japhia king of Lachish, and to Debir king of Eglon, saying, “Come up to me and help me, and let us strike Gibeon. For it has made peace with Joshua and with the people of Israel.” Then the five kings of the Amorites, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon, gathered their forces and went up with all their armies and encamped against Gibeon and made war against it. ...

Deuteronomy 32:8

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.

Deuteronomy 32:1-52

“Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak, and let the earth hear the words of my mouth. May my teaching drop as the rain, my speech distill as the dew, like gentle rain upon the tender grass, and like showers upon the herb. For I will proclaim the name of the Lord; ascribe greatness to our God! “The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. They have dealt corruptly with him; they are no longer his children because they are blemished; they are a crooked and twisted generation. ...

Numbers 23:24

Behold, a people! As a lioness it rises up and as a lion it lifts itself; it does not lie down until it has devoured the prey and drunk the blood of the slain.”

Numbers 21:14

Therefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, “Waheb in Suphah, and the valleys of the Arnon,

Exodus 20:18

Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off

Exodus 19:1-34:35

On the third new moon after the people of Israel had gone out of the land of Egypt, on that day they came into the wilderness of Sinai. They set out from Rephidim and came into the wilderness of Sinai, and they encamped in the wilderness. There Israel encamped before the mountain, while Moses went up to God. The Lord called to him out of the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel: You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself. Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; ...

Exodus 15:2

The Lord is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation; this is my God, and I will praise him, my father's God, and I will exalt him.

Exodus 3:14

God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

Genesis 12:3

I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Genesis 4:1-26

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. ...

Genesis 3:1-24

Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” ...

Genesis 2:1-25

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, ...

Genesis 1:1-31

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

If you built a shed out of wood, using a hammer and nails, and if you found out later, after it was built, that the wood was all rotten, and the nails were flawed, wouldn't you tear down the shed and build a new one? This is what God is doing with the universe. He didn't make the wood rotten or the nails flawed. Because of what the universe is, the wood and nails have the ability to make themselves to be rotten and flawed... and this is what they did.

Be glad that God is giving such a piece of rottenness and flawedness as yourself, the right to be saved. Your choice, so don't complain that God didn't do enough when you are finally lost, permanently.

God is controlling all things. He is being merciful to you and me and everyone else by giving us a chance to repent and be on His side, before He controls the universe out of existence.

Sounds more like your God is brain dead. Creating things he can't control

God doesn't think along those lines. God thinks in a positive way. The failure of the devil and those people who go with the devil is being corrected, like when you put new spark plugs in a car, and one becomes faulty immediately upon starting the car. You replace that one. In this case, God is replacing the universe with a new one. But He is taking out of this universe as many people as will come with Him first, to be with Him in the new universe.

God holds the choice open for you... for a time. Come with us, or not. The choice is yours.

So God didn't know that the great angel would turn into the devil
I thought he was omnipresent and knew everything

I know. It is difficult to read something that you cannot answer. You didn't read what I said. God did NOT make the devil. He made a great angel. The devil made the devil.

God's message is not as you said. God's message is more like, "Don't push me away, because I am the only One Who is keeping you alive. You can't stay alive by yourself."

Go ahead. Try to make yourself live. Grow another arm at will. You can't do it. Make some new life. You can't do it. Outside of God, this is only done in science fiction.

So the loving Good made the devil, therefor he is responsible for all the evil in the world since he claims to be omnipresent and all knowing.
His message is pretty much. "worship me or I will torture you forever" what a loving God. Sounds like North Korea

God made the devil in the form of a good angel. The devil corrupted his ways because he decided to become conceited. It was his decision.

The devil started to fight against God when he tempted Adam and Eve into sin in the Garden.

God gave the devil His strength before the devil became the devil. Then the devil became the devil. Now God has to fight His own strength just to fight the devil.

God wants to help people. The devil is "protecting" people - devil protecting people means keeping the people in their misery and pain - from Gods help. And the thing that the devil is using to protect the people from God, is the willingness of the people to remain away from God's protection.

The devil has limited abilities. Many of the people of the devil who do not get a lot of pain, remain pain free because the devil doesn't have the strength to fight God and afflict all of his people at the same time. Be glad if you belong to the devil and are not in pain. You lucked out.

Btw, the devil is aware of you now that you are being pointed out to him by your words in this forum. Come to Jesus and get under God's protection, because the devil just might find time to plunge you into some more pain in your life.

He is responsible if he claims to be all powerful and omnipresent and know everything and can stop things before they happen.
and if he isn't, what is the point?

That I am aware of, this forum does not have audio capabilities. So, no, it is not.



EDIT: But "Dizzy" might suffice in short term.

before, I did not believe in God. I thought, why God let people suffer? why people die? why governments dictators kill, they destroy people's lives and God not kill these dictators?

why God allows beggars, physical and mentally disabled?

I read the bible and did investigation, I don't went to church because i always blame God for the suffering that many people have. But I see that I was wrong, God is not responsible for the suffering of the people, are people who kill themselves, who lie, who steal, are the people who destroy the world. God only respects the choices that people make.