I have faith in God but I don't believe in 'god' for they don't have power and they must not be worshiped at all.
They are just like idols.
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If man spent half the time throughout history embracing real knowledge and science that was spent quivering in fear created by ancient mythology and killing in the name of God we would already be colonizing other planets, have cured cancer and ended world hunger.
Twice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_religion
https://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1375
Btw it is only hard to understand because religious people tend to be stupid. Fact.
Do I have to believe I have an imagination? No, I just imagine and whooff things start to appear and come into reality.
Do I have to believe in god? No, I just imagine and whooff god starts to appear and come into reality. Its wonderful.
The ways that God works are not well understood. The workings He has planted in the universe are not well understood.
While it is not necessary to have love to be saved, a person without love, but only faith, will have a hard time of life, even if he is saved because of his faith. A person with love will receive the blessings of love, and if he doesn't have faith to be saved, God just might grant him such faith after all.
I wished God to show me a little bit of his workings and he has granted me my wish with the gift of imagination. What more do I need? With imagination I can roam free. I have met God in the space of my imagination. Right there, in the meeting place in inner space, God whispered into my innermost ear that I too, was imagined by him. this knowledge is the best bit of news I have ever heard. God's wish came true - just look at me - here I am.
Is it a poem? I do not know what to call that, but it is indeed very moving. We are God's creation. Just look around you and you will see all His works. The mountains, the sky, the river, the sea, flowers, and animals they are the God's creation. God also gives us that imagination to roam freely and through that we can do things that is such impossible in the reality. Imagination that you are also the author and the creator. In this imagination you could do whatever you want and you could make everything just by imagining it.
If man spent half the time throughout history embracing real knowledge and science that was spent quivering in fear created by ancient mythology and killing in the name of God we would already be colonizing other planets, have cured cancer and ended world hunger.
The scientific achievement you so respect can only be achieved by a society with a sound foundation.
Ethical monotheism is probably the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages. This force which emerged first in Judaism and and spread throughout the world via the mediums of Christianity and Islam continues to shape human destiny even in a time when much of the world foolishly rejects it as irrelevant.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/mono.html
http://old.explorefaith.org/neighbors/beliefs/nature_j.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/mono.html
Quote from: Dennis Prager
Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
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Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
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One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
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Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
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Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally.
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ethical monotheism suggests more than that God demands ethical behavior; it means that Gods primary demand is ethical behavior. It means that God cares about how we treat one another more than He cares about anything else.
Thus, ethical monotheism's message remains as. radical today as when it was first promulgated. The secular world has looked elsewhere for its values, while even many religious Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that Gods primary demand is something other than ethics.
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Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
...
One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
...
Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
...
Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally.
...
ethical monotheism suggests more than that God demands ethical behavior; it means that Gods primary demand is ethical behavior. It means that God cares about how we treat one another more than He cares about anything else.
Thus, ethical monotheism's message remains as. radical today as when it was first promulgated. The secular world has looked elsewhere for its values, while even many religious Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that Gods primary demand is something other than ethics.
http://old.explorefaith.org/neighbors/beliefs/nature_j.html
Quote from: Howard Greenstein
To hold that God is the Source and Sustainer of moral values is to insist upon an objective status for ethical ideals. They are not the impulsive fabrication of human minds, but are grounded in the very bedrock of creation. Moral laws have objective validity similar to the laws of physics. They are not our invention, but it is for us to discover them. Just as it would be foolish to defy the law of gravity and hope to escape its consequences, so is it perilous to presume that a human infant can grow to emotional maturity without ever being loved or cared for. In both cases the penalty for ignoring the law is a natural consequence of defying the given realities of the universe. The uniqueness of God in this context is the complex but delicate blend of both physical and spiritual reality in a single deity which accounts for the balance, harmony and order of nature within us and without.
Ethical monotheism is not just a way of talking about God. It is a way of understanding human experience; it is a way of organizing the world in which we live. It is a faith that attempts to explain what we do not know by beginning with what we do know. We do know our awareness of this world is rooted in a unity of our own senses. We do know that defiance of moral law invites a disaster as devastating as any contempt for the laws of physics or chemistry or biology. We know, in short, that we cannot fathom it all and that this world is ultimately grounded in mystery. And that singular ethical mystery is what we call God
Ethical monotheism is not just a way of talking about God. It is a way of understanding human experience; it is a way of organizing the world in which we live. It is a faith that attempts to explain what we do not know by beginning with what we do know. We do know our awareness of this world is rooted in a unity of our own senses. We do know that defiance of moral law invites a disaster as devastating as any contempt for the laws of physics or chemistry or biology. We know, in short, that we cannot fathom it all and that this world is ultimately grounded in mystery. And that singular ethical mystery is what we call God
Do I have to believe I have an imagination? No, I just imagine and whooff things start to appear and come into reality.
Do I have to believe in god? No, I just imagine and whooff god starts to appear and come into reality. Its wonderful.
The ways that God works are not well understood. The workings He has planted in the universe are not well understood.
While it is not necessary to have love to be saved, a person without love, but only faith, will have a hard time of life, even if he is saved because of his faith. A person with love will receive the blessings of love, and if he doesn't have faith to be saved, God just might grant him such faith after all.
I wished God to show me a little bit of his workings and he has granted me my wish with the gift of imagination. What more do I need? With imagination I can roam free. I have met God in the space of my imagination. Right there, in the meeting place in inner space, God whispered into my innermost ear that I too, was imagined by him. this knowledge is the best bit of news I have ever heard. God's wish came true - just look at me - here I am.
If man spent half the time throughout history embracing real knowledge and science that was spent quivering in fear created by ancient mythology and killing in the name of God we would already be colonizing other planets, have cured cancer and ended world hunger.
The questions raised in this thread are very deep ones
1) How could God allow horrific things to occur?
2) How could we know anything at all about an infinite creator when we are finite making him incomprehensible?
These are questions who's answer requires one to delve deep into the rich intellectual history of ethical monotheism. Doing that is hard and requires significant effort and thinking. It is much easier to dismiss God as fable those seeking to learn simpletons.
Rejecting God on these grounds is committing to a foolish error akin to watching a child struggle with addition and concluding that mathematics must be useless and false.
I am far from an expert on religion but I can tell you that there is a vast and incredibly deep body of knowledge, logic and reason at the foundation of monotheism.
For those truly interested in the topic I will share my prior recommendation. The audio recordings in the bottom link are free.
1) How could God allow horrific things to occur?
2) How could we know anything at all about an infinite creator when we are finite making him incomprehensible?
These are questions who's answer requires one to delve deep into the rich intellectual history of ethical monotheism. Doing that is hard and requires significant effort and thinking. It is much easier to dismiss God as fable those seeking to learn simpletons.
Rejecting God on these grounds is committing to a foolish error akin to watching a child struggle with addition and concluding that mathematics must be useless and false.
I am far from an expert on religion but I can tell you that there is a vast and incredibly deep body of knowledge, logic and reason at the foundation of monotheism.
For those truly interested in the topic I will share my prior recommendation. The audio recordings in the bottom link are free.
I wanted to share with anyone who is interested what I am reading at the moment. I have recently started reading the Way of God: Derech Hashem by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/087306769X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/159-3751462-6767111?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=NM9R7T16A9G2147WGMJX&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687722&pf_rd_i=1598264672
It is an older classic 18th century philosophical book. It is very logical and is set out in parts that are divided into a few chapters. The parts are:
1. Fundamentals, covering The Creator, Man, Human Responsibility.
2. Providence, covering Providence in General, Individual Providence, How Providence Works.
3. The Soul, Inspiration and Prophecy, with The Soul and Its Influence, Theurgy, The Prophetic Experience.
4. Serving God, Love and Fear of God, Prayer, Seasonal Commandments.
There is a free class in Seattle that is currently going through this book chapter by chapter taught by Mark Spiro.
Geography unfortunately prevents me from attending his class but audio recordings of it and discussions of each chapter are available for free here.
http://www.livingjudaism.com/the-way-of-god.html
Both Moshe Chaim Luzzatto and Mark Spiro approach the issue from the Jewish tradition but I think anyone interested in God or religion will find it worthwhile. I do and I am not Jewish.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/087306769X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/159-3751462-6767111?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=NM9R7T16A9G2147WGMJX&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687722&pf_rd_i=1598264672
It is an older classic 18th century philosophical book. It is very logical and is set out in parts that are divided into a few chapters. The parts are:
1. Fundamentals, covering The Creator, Man, Human Responsibility.
2. Providence, covering Providence in General, Individual Providence, How Providence Works.
3. The Soul, Inspiration and Prophecy, with The Soul and Its Influence, Theurgy, The Prophetic Experience.
4. Serving God, Love and Fear of God, Prayer, Seasonal Commandments.
There is a free class in Seattle that is currently going through this book chapter by chapter taught by Mark Spiro.
Geography unfortunately prevents me from attending his class but audio recordings of it and discussions of each chapter are available for free here.
http://www.livingjudaism.com/the-way-of-god.html
Both Moshe Chaim Luzzatto and Mark Spiro approach the issue from the Jewish tradition but I think anyone interested in God or religion will find it worthwhile. I do and I am not Jewish.
Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)
I used to believe in God untill I got to that edgy metalhead period then, as we all know, I was the edgelord and would spit on the religion a lot... now, I don't really care that much, now I'm more of a live and let live type...
Do I have to believe I have an imagination? No, I just imagine and whooff things start to appear and come into reality.
Do I have to believe in god? No, I just imagine and whooff god starts to appear and come into reality. Its wonderful.
The ways that God works are not well understood. The workings He has planted in the universe are not well understood.
While it is not necessary to have love to be saved, a person without love, but only faith, will have a hard time of life, even if he is saved because of his faith. A person with love will receive the blessings of love, and if he doesn't have faith to be saved, God just might grant him such faith after all.
Do I have to believe I have an imagination? No, I just imagine and whooff things start to appear and come into reality.
Do I have to believe in god? No, I just imagine and whooff god starts to appear and come into reality. Its wonderful.
god have scenario of each event, i trust god, we must prayer because we need god and god never need your pray.
i think in this world we can see more "magic situation" where god give wonders in the incident.
i think in this world we can see more "magic situation" where god give wonders in the incident.
You can pray all you want but the will of humans is stronger than your god
+1One pair of wise hands working can do infinitely more good than one billion foolish idle ones clasped in prayer.
Stop throwing your potential wealth away. Get out there and get some people saved so you can be wealthy in Heaven forever.
Boy, the religious elite must of really tried hard to surpress their joy when they saw this malleable fool walking up the garden path towards them. He's a real asset to them, they won't let him go easy. You can be sure of that. 
Since you are so deluded with your own vain words, you will trip yourself up in ways that won't be fun for you. God's protection is leaving you. You are pushing Him away. Change, before there is no turning back for you.
no i don't belive in god or any festival related to god for me its just waste of time or you can say i have less feelings i think that people around me belive in god and its good that they do i do not want to say they are wrong but i don't want any mercy on me or any help for anything
Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)
of couse I do. in my religion, Islam, we are told that we, humans, and all of things in universe are created by Allah, the God. so we just need to see all around us and think, can human or another creature create all of these? can we create mountains, plants, animals, or ocean? no we can't. even if we all gather and use all the best technology, we can't create a little fly (it's mentioned in Qur'an, but I forget what chapter)
beside that, I found so many proofs in Qur'an about Allah. so if you want to know more, jist read it in translation of your language.
but so far none of your gods can do it ,
i am a practical man , i only believe in myself .
the rest are just story .
Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)
We live underneath an artificial steel dome and unless you live in Soviet Russia where dome builds itself, there's a God.
Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)
of couse I do. in my religion, Islam, we are told that we, humans, and all of things in universe are created by Allah, the God. so we just need to see all around us and think, can human or another creature create all of these? can we create mountains, plants, animals, or ocean? no we can't. even if we all gather and use all the best technology, we can't create a little fly (it's mentioned in Qur'an, but I forget what chapter)
beside that, I found so many proofs in Qur'an about Allah. so if you want to know more, jist read it in translation of your language.
You can pray all you want but the will of humans is stronger than your god
+1One pair of wise hands working can do infinitely more good than one billion foolish idle ones clasped in prayer.
Stop throwing your potential wealth away. Get out there and get some people saved so you can be wealthy in Heaven forever.
Boy, the religious elite must of really tried hard to surpress their joy when they saw this malleable fool walking up the garden path towards them. He's a real asset to them, they won't let him go easy. You can be sure of that. 
There's only one God in existence and it's the God of the Bible. Other "gods" are created by Satan to deceive people and to destroy them.
Perhaps you'd care to give us a full report how you came to that highly amusing conclusion?
Then we'll highlight all the flaws in it for you.
Nobody could give you a report like that, one that you would understand, that is. But here is the gist of what such a report would say.
The universe is so extremely complex that even if there were multiple beings who created it, they would have to act as one for there to be such complexity with such perfection. No two entities could create this without being One.
It took you a long time to get here BADecker. Too busy blowing alter boys to come to the latest God thread?
Please tell me one more time about how all the mutant retard babies born every day are in gods master plan. Oh, wait, they were born sinners right. That's why they have flippers instead of arms and legs. LOL
Your right about one thing. The world is complexly fucked up. If this is gods doing we should fire him and get a new god.
This is the doing of mankind... not of God. The fact that you want to defy the Creator shows that mankind is the mistake maker.
So when you say. Let your will.. bla bla bla. he is powerless if humans interfere. You can pray all you want but the will of humans is stronger than your god
I believe in god because even scientist didnt know when we are start to live.. and who we are created.. they are just giving a detail that we are made from monkey.. but we didnt see any monkeys turn into human..
Oh boy.. Read more than one book.
We have never seen a wolf turn into a dog. still dogs excist
I believe in god because even scientist didnt know when we are start to live.. and who we are created.. they are just giving a detail that we are made from monkey.. but we didnt see any monkeys turn into human..
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