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Quote from: devil2man on March 24, 2021, 12:42:41 PM

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

Per vaccine, they have their own efficacy level. In EU, AstraZeneca vaccination has been stopped because of a safety issue. But I don't know if it's okay again and safe to use.
The testing was done quickly and expedite for most of the vaccines. There's not enough time for them to test for years and that's why most of the vaccination today are likely still in trial.

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VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System set up by the CDC. This system is for doctors to report adverse effects that patients have regarding anything that patients are treated with. As of March 5th, VAERS reports for the Covid vaccine are these:
Deaths = 1524
Hospitalizations = 3477
Urgent care = 5806
Office visits = 4748
Anaphylaxis = 292
Bell's palsy = 367

Two things to note about this:
A. There were many more reports - over 30,000 - where people claimed a problem from the vaccine, but their doctor bypassed it as something not associated with the vaccine;
B. Doctors and professional medical people claim that only about 10% of the problems are being reported to VAERS.

CDC pretending that nobody is getting injured or dying from COVID-19 vaccines

Quote from: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-24-cdc-pretending-nobody-injured-dying-covid19-vaccines.html#

The official death count from Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) injections has nearly doubled since early March, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) does not appear to be at all concerned.

The agency failed to respond to an inquiry from The Defender about how it investigates reported deaths, whether or not autopsies are being conducted, and what standards are used to determine whether or not vaccination is causally associated with a reported injury or death.

The only thing the CDC has provided thus far is silence, which is unacceptable in light of the fact that there are now more than 38,444 reports of adverse effects from Chinese virus jabs in the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

As this writer noted back in a story from early March, there were 1,170 reported deaths associated with Wuhan flu shots at that time. Today, that number has soared to 1,739 deaths along with 6,286 reports of serious injuries, which are worse than those generally classified as adverse events.

At this point in time, we do not even know whether healthcare providers are reporting all injuries and deaths following vaccination for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) because the standards used are unknown. The CDC would seem to not want anyone to know these details.

“As of today, 11 days later, the CDC has not answered our questions,” writes Megan Redshaw for The Defender. “Instead, when we call them, they respond saying, ‘they have received our email, they will escalate it and it is in the system.'”

“When we asked if we could speak with the person reviewing the email, we were told that information could not be provided,” Redshaw adds. “When we emailed them to follow up, we received no response.”

J&J’s coronavirus jab causing anaphylactic shock in recipients

The latest VAERS data obtained by Redshaw shows that in a single week, 478 cases of vaccine-related Bell’s Palsy were reported. Of these, 66 percent occurred after vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNTech injection, while the remaining 36 percent, roughly, resulted from the Moderna injection.

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the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on March 20, 2021, 08:21:43 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on March 17, 2021, 02:53:19 PM

Everybody trusts the vaccine. The difference is that some trust it to do good, and some trust it to do bad. Everybody, by this time, trusts that it will make people a little sick for a day or two at least. Most people by this time trust that a few people will die from it. As this stuff happens and comes out into the open, people are wondering what the odds of their own death by vaccine will be.

Check the many links in the article at the website.

Indiana PT dies TWO DAYS after getting mRNA Wuhan coronavirus vaccine

Another case of side effect of vaccine where a country prime minister is effected with covid-19 after getting vaccinated.

Pakistan PM Imran Khan tests positive for Covid-19 days after receiving first jab of Chinese vaccine Sinopharm

He had the covid-19 symptoms before and the vaccine only works if you do not have covid-19 already. Don't get it wrong impression that he got covid-19 because he got vaccinated. I know better this situation because he is the prime minister of my country.

Having Covid symptoms doesn't mean he had Covid. He didn't have Covid. They just SAID that he had Covid. The tests are all over the place, say positive and then negative and then positive and then back again, even when tested on the same person more than one time on the same day.

People who get vaccinated die from the vaccine, or vaccine induced Covid, or anything else... except naturally caught Covid.

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Quote from: Tash on March 21, 2021, 02:17:58 AM

People have been predicting and warning, now reality, Covid spiking in states with high vaccination rates. (junk source)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/18/covid-spiking-in-over-a-dozen-states-most-with-high-vaccination-rates/?sh=795751ef3ec4

first dose is 50% effective
second dose gets the 95%
if 4of10 population had it...

Come on, franky1. People aren't dying that fast from the vaccine... not yet, anyway.

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The Government buy vaccine in other country to strengthen our protection to COVID, but many people are afraid to inject because of its side effects base on their reports and news. Yes I believe in vaccine, because they help our health worker to strengthen their body or immune system against virus, if the government its not sure of vaccine, our country might suffer due to failure to assist the covid patient, I see the positive side of vaccine.

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U.S. GOVT LOSES LANDMARK VACCINE LAWSUIT
https://cairnsnews.org/2018/11/19/u-s-govt-loses-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/

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Forced vaccinations now can be legally stopped-no quality control for 32 years
Wide ramifications for Australia

Go to: Update from Doctor in Georgia 20/05/2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JG5b8Qt_CY&feature=youtu.be

https://www.aimintegrativemedicine.com/aim-integrative-medicine-blog/why-kennedy-sued-the-government-over-vaccine-safety-won

http://icandecide.org/governments/

Case 1:18-cv-03215-JMF Document 18 Filed 07/09/18

Vaccine injury lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,& Del Bigtree, producer of the suppressed anti-vaccine documentary, Vaxxed and the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) are credited with this victory. They demanded the relevant government documents proving that all federally approved vaccines had been tested for quality over the past 32 years — and there were none.

Here are the huge legal and practical implications in this legal victory for the American people:

A recent US court case revealed there has been no quality control over vaccines manufactured by big-pharma for at least 32 years. Autism rates are excepted to drop dramatically now that parents can stop the poison being injected into their kids

o This means that the US Department of Health and Human Services and all vaccine makers have been lying to the American people for over 30 years about the effectiveness and safety of vaccines; this may
ultimately mean that continuing the existence — at least in their current form — of five US “healthcare” agencies are now in doubt: the CDC, the FDA, the IOM, the NIH and the “Health” part of DHHS itself;
this may also threaten the existence of state medical boards and exclusive medical guilds like the AMA:

o This means that vaccine makers have been fraudulently exempt from what all other pharmaceutical drug makers have been forced to do concerning biannual recertification for quality and effectiveness — meaning that that their vaccines have never been tested for quality and have had no proven safety or effectiveness for over 30 years;

o This case can now be legally cited by all parents fraudulently mandated by any government/organizational regulation/requirements that they must vaccinate their children for school or any other activity to stop
the forced vaccination of their children;

o This case can now be legally cited by all employees being mandated by their employers to be vaccinated in order to retain their jobs;

o This case can now be legally cited by all those who seek compensation for vaccine injury, making it likely that the pharmacidical vaccine industry can in the near future be legally bankrupted out of existence, like Bayer-Monsanto after the landmark legal victory won by the dying landscaper in San Francisco several weeks ago, as well as their stock value plummeting precipitously;

o The future of allopathic medicine in its current form is now in doubt, as well as that of the global pharmacidical cartel, since almost all of the drugs allopathic practitioners prescribe come from pharmacidical corporations which have also committed vaccine fraud and injury;

o The existence of the deep-state corporate mainstream news media will now also be further endangered, since 70% of their income stream comes from the global pharmacidical cartel, which in America has been
responsible for 750,000-1 million human sacrifices per year for at least the past half century;

o Autism rates will now likely plummet, freeing the American people from another deep state-engineered debility, and providing further evidence of mass vaccination-caused autism;

o All government officials who have passed laws legalizing vaccine fraud at the state, national, or international level, or otherwise aided and abetted this vaccine fraud can now be charged with vaccine fraud, criminal malfeasance and in some cases, war crimes under the Nuremberg Code.

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This letter from Dawn Bell, an American health professional, warns that vaccines are not safe and become ineffective after 10 years. She says her daughter was injured by vaccination:

In the recent mumps outbreak, 100% of the mumps cases were college students, who were ALL 100% vaccinated. 90% (9 out of 10) people who died from last years flu epidemic had received the flu shot.

Herd immunity can only be achieved when 85% of the population is immune to a disease. Vaccines are only good for about 10 years, at absolute max 20 years, so most people over the age of 20 are not immune any longer. So now you have created a situation of a “false” immunity.

Those who get the chicken pox are immune for life, those who get the vax are not. I do believe, maybe to your surprise that vaccines can and have saved lives, however, think about when MD’s we’re giving out antibiotics like popcorn at the movies, it started having a bad affect on our immune systems and gut. It’s propbable to think that the same thing might start happen with the overuse of vaccines.

For really deadly diseases, hey I’m all for it, but they started making so much money that you all of a sudden had to start getting vaccines for everything, even the everyday childhood diseases and for stuff like Hep B at 1 day old, really? The rise in autism and other sensory diseases has been mind boggling, as well as childhood autoimmune disorders.

32 people get sick from ecoli and FDA tells everyone to stop buying romaine lettuce, but thousands report issues with vaccines and it’s pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Then everyone is surprised when people get upset and start asking questions.

I’m an Occupational Therapist and was all in with the vax thing, until I watched my daughter lose Speech ability directly following a vaccine. I was one telling everyone it was a coincidence until I saw it happen with my own eyes to my own kid. They have NEVER done safety studies in these vaccines have NEVER been studied being given all at once as they do.

It’s common sence that all of these vaccines given to a child with a developing immune system and neuro system might have some issues. It’s the lying about it that really has everyone worried though. When they say safety studies have been done when no one can find them, then Kennedy offers $$ for anyone who show they have been done. Of course no one could produce them so hence this lawsuit and of course, they haven’t. My OBGYN told me the flu shot was studied and proven safe during pregnancy.

So I go to work, as a nurse friend for the flu vax insert and guess what? It clearly stated it had not been studied in children or pregnant woman and if given to pregnant woman you should call and add them to a registry. Furthermore, on the front of the box, it stated to NOT give to kids under 5! I could keep going, but I’ll end with, have you watched the CDC video aproving the Hep vax?

If not, you should because it’s extremely interesting! First, they give to 1 day old babies and it’s never been approved for those under 18. When asked if it was safe to give with other vaccines they said they didn’t know but we’re making the assumption it was generally safe like other vaccines. Then when asked about the “new” mutated gene thing they said the same thing, “we’re making the assumption that’s it’s safe like other vaccines.”

They were then asked about the heart and autoimmune markers seen in their internal study and they acknowledged that they saw the markers and were going to monitor it and make determination Dec 2020 whether not there was a problem, and in the mean time it’s being given to day old babies. So yes, there are concerns that need to be addressed about the safety of vaccines and I’m thrilled that it’s finally being addressed!!!

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Quote from: Tash on March 21, 2021, 02:17:58 AM

People have been predicting and warning, now reality, Covid spiking in states with high vaccination rates. (junk source)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/18/covid-spiking-in-over-a-dozen-states-most-with-high-vaccination-rates/?sh=795751ef3ec4

first dose is 50% effective
second dose gets the 95%
if 4of10 population had it.. thats 20% protected at first dose..

however if 100% take off masks and start gathering
100% of those not vaccinated(6of10) will get infected
50% of those vaccinated(4of10) will get infected
=80% infection risk(8of10)

yep 80% of people
yes if them 80% take off their mask and gather. they will inhale higher viral loads so would get sicker
yes if 80% kept their mask and distanced. they inhale less viral load and have better survival rate

governments are now judging future risks of lockdowns based on hospitalisation now. and less emphasis on infections

until you are immune social distancing and masks are still important. as is reduces high viral load. reducing high hospital risk of the 80% still at risk
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once 90% of people have second dose. to have a ~85% herd immunity. then masks/social distancing can stop becoming a thing

dont be stupid thinking if:
4 members of your family of 10 are vaccinated once makes you a immortal superman
twice makes you an immortal superman
their vaccine progress has no impact on your risk
even if 9 of 10of your family had 2vaccine doses each.. means they wont be hospitalised. but you still can be

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Quote from: Tash on March 21, 2021, 12:20:03 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on March 20, 2021, 08:21:43 PM

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he is the prime minister of my country.

I am sorry for you.
Hopefully one day you be free.

Don't be sorry for him. You may think you're being nice and thank you for that, but don't be sorry for him as he is not the victim, his country is.

We don't know anything about him so just don't be sorry for him

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People have been predicting and warning, now reality, Covid spiking in states with high vaccination rates. (junk source)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/18/covid-spiking-in-over-a-dozen-states-most-with-high-vaccination-rates/?sh=795751ef3ec4

Original Russian roulette odds are not so bad after all

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 20, 2021, 08:15:15 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 17, 2021, 02:53:19 PM

Everybody trusts the vaccine. The difference is that some trust it to do good, and some trust it to do bad. Everybody, by this time, trusts that it will make people a little sick for a day or two at least. Most people by this time trust that a few people will die from it. As this stuff happens and comes out into the open, people are wondering what the odds of their own death by vaccine will be.

Check the many links in the article at the website.

Indiana PT dies TWO DAYS after getting mRNA Wuhan coronavirus vaccine

Another case of side effect of vaccine where a country prime minister is effected with covid-19 after getting vaccinated.

Pakistan PM Imran Khan tests positive for Covid-19 days after receiving first jab of Chinese vaccine Sinopharm

That mostly demonstrates what a joke the tests are. There was a giant bum-rush to ride this covid testing cash-cow and most of the products don't work for shit. The rt-PCR ones are deliberately fraudulent in order to pump up the scamdemic and they used the old cycle-threashold fraud trick to accomplish this, but the antibody-based tests are all over the map.

One of the early vocal skeptics about the whole scamdemic fraud himself owned a company to cranked out these tests as I recall. It would be surprising if vaccinated people did NOT trigger positives on some of these tests due to the nature of the infection and the body's response to it.

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As a reminder, 'Sinopharm' is the state-owned one who the Japanese corporate CEOs got early access to and which the generals and president of a certain SE Asian country got. They sent something like 5000 to said SE Asian country. I suspect as a gift to select insiders.

This brand is reported to be a plain old 'inactivated virus' vaccine as has been a norm for many years (and has been causing a ton of 'normal' immune system disfunction for victims for years.) It is NOT the new designer DNA infection one from AstraZeneca, Johnson&Johnson, and Russia. If I was forced to make the choice I would STRONGLY favor the 'devil you know' Sinopharm one in this case. So would a lot of other relatively connected people so it seems.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 20, 2021, 08:15:15 AM

Another case of side effect of vaccine where a country prime minister is effected with covid-19 after getting vaccinated.

Pakistan PM Imran Khan tests positive for Covid-19 days after receiving first jab of Chinese vaccine Sinopharm

Apparently Pakistan PM Imran Khan and his wife test positive for Covid-19 just two days after he took Chinese vaccine.

Yes yes, it takes two doses of vaccine and at least 2 weeks to be effective but still enough to raise doubts..

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/pakistan-pm-imran-khan-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-days-after-taking-chinese-vaccine-dose-1781579-2021-03-20

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on March 20, 2021, 08:21:43 PM

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he is the prime minister of my country.

I am sorry for you.
Hopefully one day you be free.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 20, 2021, 08:15:15 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 17, 2021, 02:53:19 PM

Everybody trusts the vaccine. The difference is that some trust it to do good, and some trust it to do bad. Everybody, by this time, trusts that it will make people a little sick for a day or two at least. Most people by this time trust that a few people will die from it. As this stuff happens and comes out into the open, people are wondering what the odds of their own death by vaccine will be.

Check the many links in the article at the website.

Indiana PT dies TWO DAYS after getting mRNA Wuhan coronavirus vaccine

Another case of side effect of vaccine where a country prime minister is effected with covid-19 after getting vaccinated.

Pakistan PM Imran Khan tests positive for Covid-19 days after receiving first jab of Chinese vaccine Sinopharm

He had the covid-19 symptoms before and the vaccine only works if you do not have covid-19 already. Don't get it wrong impression that he got covid-19 because he got vaccinated. I know better this situation because he is the prime minister of my country.

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dont worry about badecker.. he is brainwashed
he thinks if he pays a pill mill alot of money and promotes pilmills he will be immortal an will never die.
maybe we should let him be left alone to learn the hard way that his plan will fail

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Quote from: BADecker on March 20, 2021, 09:00:34 AM

Quote from: DoctorMark on March 20, 2021, 08:15:30 AM

Quote from: boyptc on March 19, 2021, 04:52:07 PM

Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 17, 2021, 11:56:54 AM

Would love to have a poll here... something like...

Have you vaccinated for COVID-19?

Yes
No - I can’t trust vaccine yet
No - Corona Virus is a Scam
I’m confused

I've already said it to myself that I won't take the vaccine, its efficacy isn't that much but helpful for those who need it and that means that I don't need it because I don't go usually outdoors.

But I believe that covid-19 is real.

Do you not think even if you wouldn't likely suffer too much from Covid that the decrease in spread and thus the decrease in mutations of the virus awarded by the vaccine is worth taking it alone?

The point is to get well from any Covid you might have, and all kinds of other diseases besides. It's not to take some experimental vaccine like injection where you get sick like you have Covid, open yourself up to all kinds of other diseases, and eventually die from the injection... as is happening or will happen to essentially everybody who gets the vaccine.

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Based on experience, many vaccinated peeps are well and now working day by day with less worry to have covid. so your point about getting sick like you have COVID is invalid. You might be talking about the whole elderly squad you belong to so I guess it can be somehow valid, but there are many elderlies who are now vaccinated and doing great, so I guess it also invalid as you said that it will happen to "EVERYBODY".

SHeESH

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badecker.. i know you have previously done 'do as he says' in regards to whatever trump says

but try 'do as he does'

he didnt bleach his throat even though he said its a good idea
he did not have budesinide
when he got sick he went to hospital not to some pill mill or chiropractor
he had the vaccine in january
and this week he locked down his own home when his staff had covid

so if you think trump THINKS covid is a flu.. no he does not.
his ACTIONS show he goes to hospitals and gets a vaccine and practices the restrictions.

what he thinks and what he says are 2 different things

so do as he does. not do as he says

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Quote from: DoctorMark on March 20, 2021, 08:15:30 AM

Quote from: boyptc on March 19, 2021, 04:52:07 PM

Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 17, 2021, 11:56:54 AM

Would love to have a poll here... something like...

Have you vaccinated for COVID-19?

Yes
No - I can’t trust vaccine yet
No - Corona Virus is a Scam
I’m confused

I've already said it to myself that I won't take the vaccine, its efficacy isn't that much but helpful for those who need it and that means that I don't need it because I don't go usually outdoors.

But I believe that covid-19 is real.

Do you not think even if you wouldn't likely suffer too much from Covid that the decrease in spread and thus the decrease in mutations of the virus awarded by the vaccine is worth taking it alone?

The point is to get well from any Covid you might have, and all kinds of other diseases besides. It's not to take some experimental vaccine like injection where you get sick like you have Covid, open yourself up to all kinds of other diseases, and eventually die from the injection... as is happening or will happen to essentially everybody who gets the vaccine.

Cool

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Quote from: boyptc on March 19, 2021, 04:52:07 PM

Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 17, 2021, 11:56:54 AM

Would love to have a poll here... something like...

Have you vaccinated for COVID-19?

Yes
No - I can’t trust vaccine yet
No - Corona Virus is a Scam
I’m confused

I've already said it to myself that I won't take the vaccine, its efficacy isn't that much but helpful for those who need it and that means that I don't need it because I don't go usually outdoors.

But I believe that covid-19 is real.

Do you not think even if you wouldn't likely suffer too much from Covid that the decrease in spread and thus the decrease in mutations of the virus awarded by the vaccine is worth taking it alone?

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Quote from: BADecker on March 17, 2021, 02:53:19 PM

Everybody trusts the vaccine. The difference is that some trust it to do good, and some trust it to do bad. Everybody, by this time, trusts that it will make people a little sick for a day or two at least. Most people by this time trust that a few people will die from it. As this stuff happens and comes out into the open, people are wondering what the odds of their own death by vaccine will be.

Check the many links in the article at the website.

Indiana PT dies TWO DAYS after getting mRNA Wuhan coronavirus vaccine

Another case of side effect of vaccine where a country prime minister is effected with covid-19 after getting vaccinated.

Pakistan PM Imran Khan tests positive for Covid-19 days after receiving first jab of Chinese vaccine Sinopharm

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 17, 2021, 11:56:54 AM

Would love to have a poll here... something like...

Have you vaccinated for COVID-19?

Yes
No - I can’t trust vaccine yet
No - Corona Virus is a Scam
I’m confused

I've already said it to myself that I won't take the vaccine, its efficacy isn't that much but helpful for those who need it and that means that I don't need it because I don't go usually outdoors.

But I believe that covid-19 is real.

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