Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 62. (Read 20317 times)

The point isn't what records were transferred here or there. The point is what testing was done. Since the testing is required by law, but nobody is willing to give proof or evidence that the testing was done, what does one have to do to find the proof that the testing was done?

The fact that ICAN accepted the response that was given - essentially nothing applicable to the case at hand - is the same as ICAN accepting proof that there IS nothing applicable to the case at hand.

If the medical didn't like the wording used in the FOIA request and the resulting lawsuit, any minute they could provide the safety test records for the last 32 years, and include wording in their providing that said that they were providing the info voluntarily, but not because ICAN did a FOIA request and lawsuit.

But the whole point is, where are the safety testing records? The medical still isn't giving them to us to look at.

In other words...

Suppose that the medical did safety testing and found that vaccines were indeed safe. Wouldn't the medical be out there giving the info to anybody who wanted it? People would be overjoyed to see the proof of the tests, especially if they could contact the testers and the test subjects and get the lowdown right from the source.

The point is, the safety test records would be available. But the medical doesn't show any safety test records to anybody. It doesn't have anything to do with the wording in the lawsuit. The medical doesn't ever show any of the testing required by law.

OR...

Suppose that the medical did the safety testing for the last 32 years, and somehow misplaced the test records. How in the world does anybody, especially the medical, misplace the whole safety test record batch for 32 years? Many people all over the nation and the world keep their tax records for the last 32 years. But the medical doesn't even have one safety test record to show to anybody?

Oh sure. The wording of the lawsuit might not have really been a direct request for the safety test records required by law... but it might have been. Certainly the spirit of the suit was. Over 32 years of safety tests don't just vanish 100% if they are there.

So, why would ICAN accept the results of the lawsuit? Because the results showed that the medical is negligent. It is either negligent in doing the safety tests, or it is negligent in keeping the records, and it is certainly negligent in showing the records in a lawsuit request.

What does this kind of negligence mean... especially when the whole country and world are involved? It means that the medical is incompetent if there are records that they can't find or won't divulge. It means they are criminal if they disobeyed the legal requirements, and didn't do the safety tests. The lawsuit results were accepted because by ICAN because the meaning is the medical is probably criminal, but at least is incompetent, and therefore should be treated criminally.

All that franky1 wants to do is play with some wording, and draw completely erroneous conclusions from the whole process.

So, where's the safety test records? Because that's what this is all about. The medical, by its actions, has said that they don't exist. Or can franky1 provide them in a satisfatory manner wherein we can confirm that they were properly done? ICAN would love to see them.

Well that is effectivity for you, cause there are many other factors to be considered that is not yet researched because of the limited amount of time. Nonetheless, as Tabas said, Even if you caught Covid after having the vaccine, the effects can't be worse, and it is like a regulard cold even though it is covid. And pretty much you won't even feel sick or tired or even loss your taste.

they dont have complete protection from getting the virus but even in the cases that a vaccinated individual gets the virus they're likely to be extremely better off.

try to read the actual lawsuit
ICAN asked HHS for any and all transmitted records it sent to (wait for it.. then facepalm)
the energy and commerce committee. and the labour and human resources committee

thats like asking a hospital to provide proof of any transmission of health records to .. a bicycle shop

of course there wont be records of that manner going to a department that doesnt even handle those types of records..
in short. lack of records of an absurd request. just proves its an absurd request

and yes. the case was dismissed as ICAN accepted the HHS response

not a land mark case at all
its a we didnt send any records because we dont send them records to a non-needed party

logic proves that bigtree didnt learn anything from that case.a nd logic shows the case was dismissed
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/168629


if they actually wanted to find out stuff. they would have asked for HHS records of report transmission to the health and oversight commitees

ican filed a claim about a non answer question he knew was going to be a non-answer answer. and is now playing it off as some big deal. and also saying his case dismissal is a win..
(triple facepalm)

Note that the efficiency of the vaccines not all of them are 100% but at least they can be effective in most of the people. But there's those cases that it's not effective in some.
I've even heard in the news that even after taking the vaccine, they were still able to get covid19 despite being vaccinated.

If that's the issues I wonder why nothing happens to the US president and other people we saw on TV took the vaccine or there's something more to the vaccine they took and the one give out to the masses cause the government can be weird sometimes which is the reason why I don't totally trust them.

AFAIK the Pfizer and BioNtech has some side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

That's probably not a particularly valid way to assess risk associations.  Adenovirus is a common way to 'vector' new designer DNA into a cell nucleus in order to re-program the infected cells.  More important would be what the designer DNA payload happens to be rather than the strain of innoculous transfer virus.

Just as an item of interest...

One of the big problems they have with adenovirus vectors is that the normal human immune system resists a 2nd infection of the same adenovirus because that's how it works.  This means that boosters are a problem.  It also means that a 2nd totally different vaccine using the same adenovirus carrier won't work well.  Compounding this, someone may just have a stronger or weaker than average immune system which modulates the amount of designer genetic payload which infects the normal cells of the body.

The Russian 'Sputnik' vaccine is an adenovirus vectored designer DNA 'platform' as well.  Their 'secret sauce' to try to overcome the aforementioned 2nd infection problem was to use a different adenovirus variety for the booster.

The use of natural viruses to vector DNA doesn't have to use adenovirus.  One of Merck's efforts (via purchase of a smaller company) was attempting to use measles virus for this duty.  Merck exited the race with the statement that the safest way to get immunity for SARS-cov-2 was just to get covid-19 since the vaccine is so risky and the virulence of 'covid-19' is on par with the seasonal flu.  I couldn't agree more and have been saying it for a year now.

The 'way forward' for ongoing re-programming of the cellular machinery of 'the hive' lies with more advanced 'vector' techniques which don't use natural viruses.  Inovio is trying to use a lab technique using high voltage electrical currents, but that fell off the radar screen fairly early on...for this first scamdemic wave.  Likely it will be back, or they'll move on to 'implantable platforms' right away.

According to what I read on the World Health Organization site the AstraZeneca was temporarily suspended in some part of the EU countries, not all and if AstraZeneca show some side effect then the Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine could also do the same since it also relies on adenovirus. Does anyone if the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines which were authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, if have side effects?

Per vaccine, they have their own efficacy level. In EU, AstraZeneca vaccination has been stopped because of a safety issue. But I don't know if it's okay again and safe to use.
The testing was done quickly and expedite for most of the vaccines. There's not enough time for them to test for years and that's why most of the vaccination today are likely still in trial.

VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System set up by the CDC. This system is for doctors to report adverse effects that patients have regarding anything that patients are treated with. As of March 5th, VAERS reports for the Covid vaccine are these:
Deaths = 1524
Hospitalizations = 3477
Urgent care = 5806
Office visits = 4748
Anaphylaxis = 292
Bell's palsy = 367

Two things to note about this:
A. There were many more reports - over 30,000 -  where people claimed a problem from the vaccine, but their doctor bypassed it as something not associated with the vaccine;
B. Doctors and professional medical people claim that only about 10% of the problems are being reported to VAERS.


CDC pretending that nobody is getting injured or dying from COVID-19 vaccines

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

Having Covid symptoms doesn't mean he had Covid. He didn't have Covid. They just SAID that he had Covid. The tests are all over the place, say positive and then negative and then positive and then back again, even when tested on the same person more than one time on the same day.

People who get vaccinated die from the vaccine, or vaccine induced Covid, or anything else... except naturally caught Covid.



Come on, franky1. People aren't dying that fast from the vaccine... not yet, anyway.

The Government buy vaccine in other country to strengthen our protection to COVID, but many people are afraid to inject because of its  side effects base on their reports and news. Yes I believe in vaccine, because they help our health worker to strengthen their body or immune system against virus, if the government its not sure of vaccine, our  country might suffer due to failure to assist the covid patient, I see the positive side of vaccine.

U.S. GOVT LOSES LANDMARK VACCINE LAWSUIT
https://cairnsnews.org/2018/11/19/u-s-govt-loses-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/

first dose is 50% effective
second dose gets the 95%
if 4of10 population had it..  thats 20% protected at first dose..

however if 100% take off masks and start gathering
100% of those not vaccinated(6of10) will get infected
50% of those vaccinated(4of10) will get infected
=80% infection risk(8of10)

yep 80% of people
yes if them 80% take off their mask and gather. they will inhale higher viral loads so would get sicker
yes if 80% kept their mask and distanced. they inhale less viral load and have better survival rate

governments are now judging future risks of lockdowns based on hospitalisation now. and less emphasis on infections

until you are immune social distancing and masks are still important. as is reduces high viral load. reducing high hospital risk of the 80% still at risk
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once 90% of people have second dose. to have a ~85% herd immunity. then masks/social distancing can stop becoming a thing

dont be stupid thinking if:
4 members of your family of 10 are vaccinated once makes you a immortal superman
                                                                   twice makes you an immortal superman
their vaccine progress has no impact on your risk
even if 9 of 10of your family had 2vaccine doses each.. means they wont be hospitalised. but you still can be

Don't be sorry for him. You may think you're being nice and thank you for that, but don't be sorry for him as he is not the victim, his country is.

We don't know anything about him so just don't be sorry for him

People have been predicting and warning, now reality, Covid spiking in states with high vaccination rates. (junk source)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/18/covid-spiking-in-over-a-dozen-states-most-with-high-vaccination-rates/?sh=795751ef3ec4

Original Russian roulette odds are not so bad after all

That mostly demonstrates what a joke the tests are.  There was a giant bum-rush to ride this covid testing cash-cow and most of the products don't work for shit.  The rt-PCR ones are deliberately fraudulent in order to pump up the scamdemic and they used the old cycle-threashold fraud trick to accomplish this, but the antibody-based tests are all over the map.

One of the early vocal skeptics about the whole scamdemic fraud himself owned a company to cranked out these tests as I recall.  It would be surprising if vaccinated people did NOT trigger positives on some of these tests due to the nature of the infection and the body's response to it.

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As a reminder, 'Sinopharm' is the state-owned one who the Japanese corporate CEOs got early access to and which the generals and president of a certain SE Asian country got.  They sent something like 5000 to said SE Asian country.  I suspect as a gift to select insiders.

This brand is reported to be a plain old 'inactivated virus' vaccine as has been a norm for many years (and has been causing a ton of 'normal' immune system disfunction for victims for years.)  It is NOT the new designer DNA infection one from AstraZeneca, Johnson&Johnson, and Russia.  If I was forced to make the choice I would STRONGLY favor the 'devil you know' Sinopharm one in this case.  So would a lot of other relatively connected people so it seems.

Apparently Pakistan PM Imran Khan and his wife test positive for Covid-19 just two days after he took Chinese vaccine.

Yes yes, it takes two doses of vaccine and at least 2 weeks to be effective but still enough to raise doubts..



https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/pakistan-pm-imran-khan-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-days-after-taking-chinese-vaccine-dose-1781579-2021-03-20