Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 85. (Read 20317 times)

I will update after my second shot (1st february), but really this drug is already experimented and already administered to maybe a milion of people only in Italy, my experience is only a drop in the sea.

Severe reactions exist but are rare, we don't have data for longer term (years) reactions but I feel pretty confident that the mechanism (i described it above) is pretty safe, maybe safer than a traditional vaccine, although less "natural".

The video is frightening, I did never see seizures like that but I suppose they are possible. Acetilsalicilic acid can cause sudden death, and allergic reactions to simple things like nuts kill people every year. You cannot live without taking risks.

Especially for me, a worker in an hospital setting, the risk of the vaccine is IMHO less than the risk of the covid. One of my collegue lost her smell and taste SINCE MARCH after a covid infection, and this alone would be extremely disturbing for me because I love eating. Also, me and my wife are trying to have a son and the effect of the infection during the first months of pregnancy is unclear,  I don't want to act as a vector and infect her. And my parents are almost 80 years old and I saw them like 3 or 4 times in the last year for the fear of killing them.

Value the risk balance and take your choice. Just one more thing, the ethical aspect: you are helping in saving lifes. If we manage to get a sufficient number of people vaccinated, we are out of this. Your choice is going to influence not only your life, but also other's one. The same goes for the mask and everything, flat-earthers does harm to nobody but covid negationists are actually killing people.

You have no choice to get stabbed? (piercing the skin is stabbing) I shure will not agree.

In other news
https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/covid-19/wildfire_smoke_covid-19.html

We don't know much about the vaccines being fforced on us. The media is controlled by people with certain interest. As much as we like to believe we have a say in this, the truth is we really don't have a choice. Some States are already making it mandatory for everyone...you can't travel or work if you're not vaccinated. That would bully everyone into taking the vaccine.

After a little more digging it appears that the footage was from an audiology PhD (not an MD) who took some shots as a prerequisite for transition into employment at a government facility as a civilian.  Formerly military.

The event happened in 2019 and eventually the DTaP or some such injection was implicated.  As I've said before, when a doctor or PhD (or their kids) are vaccine injured it will sometimes be acknowledged for economic and societal reasons.  That's been my observation.

Anyway, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the symptoms are being faked.  It seems the type of neurological reaction when the myelin sheath of one's nerves are being stripped due to an autoimmune reaction, and it said to be excruciatingly painful.  And often enough, debilitating for life.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9XkxVvtuZD1m/

The condition is Transverse Myelitis and actually was noted in some of the covid-19 gene therapy early phase trials.

so i have a family member having the vaccine today
so if they have nasty adverse reactions more then just the expected pain in arm and normal immune responses. then ill lock my account and never return

meaning any fainting, convulsions, seizures, unconsciousness, allergic reaction, trouble breathing, death. ill stop using bitcointalk.

yep they over 65 yep they have underlying conditions.
..so yea ill play the odds against my account

12hours from time of this post ill have some answers about initial reactions. and heck. ill even extend it for them severe adverse issues over the next month. (though many would say 2 days are fine)

I am for one salute all the doctors and nurses who face these viruses and diseases on a daily basis. I am glad that you and your colleagues turned out fine and well.

We can't put blame on people who wouldn't want to take the vaccine as they might have the same reasons as mine, avoiding risk by letting others first.

I am not a doctor, nor have studied to medicine-related courses, but I will trust my gut and think that you're not a fake in this forum.

Please, keep the updates for your second dose of the vaccine, as well as the results a week later after the second one. I'll gladly use your information and insights if I will take the vaccine or not in February.

Time to arrest these crooks who are messing with our lives.


The Literal Crimes of Dr. Fauci, Dr. Redfield, and Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar

rejection rate closer to 50%?
just because you might find a conspiracy site that links say 10 of its own idiots facebooks where they say no. does not mean thats is only 20 people offered a vaccine.
you cant do non supported backward maths to make something sound like 50%

also even if the vaccine does protect from incubated transmission. with the number of idiots refusing the vaccine and then going around in some form of weird protest to touch random things after coughing into their hand. then yes touch transmission will still happen
EG
an antivaxxer gets sick. they spit on a grocery cart handle.
a vaccinated person touches the handle and later food which their unvaccinated kid eats. the kid then gets mild sickness and then passes it to his grandparents and school class. where the teachers and grandparents get it more severe. tracing it back they would see the vaccinated person was a 'contact' middleman.

a vaccine does not stop touch transmission.

its like someone not smoking to stop risk of lung cancer.. but his idiot family smoke around him.. thus there is still a risk.
hanging around with unvaccinated people that dont give a crap about respecting other people. means the virus will still be in the community. so can you idiot antivaxxers atleast respect people and hygiene as a minimum

My hospital is a small hospital in Northern Italy.

According to my point of view this vaccine had delivered in some (not all) of the fat cells of my arm some mrna, which will go to my ribosomes (not dna) and transcript some surface proteins. The covid surface proteins will not turn my fat cell into a pathogen, painting an enemy flag on you car doesn't turn it into an enemy tank. It is just a cell tainted as enemy, so that my immune system will recognize the enemy faster the next time.

I'm not particularly interested in debunking because I lack the interest in this argument, and debunking is an hard work. I already work too much. I just spend two words about it because I think it's astonishing that in my reality some auxiliary personal (and among them even nurses) are refusing to get the vaccine, and some of them are not even plain morons. So here is my anonymous voice stating that people should not be worried to get the vaccine.

But I have to admit that I also sticked to some conspiracy theories like 9/11 or some strange interpretation of seigniorage when I was younger and fooler, only later i understood how much I sounded stupid.

Could you at lease characterize your organization and give a regional location?  This because I would like to figure out the difference between facilities where it is grudgingly reported that the rejection rate is closer to 50% among medical professionals.


Why do you suppose that other institutions who have likely fewer staff (e.g., Juneau) might have several people with problem while the percentage for your institution was much less?

I could see two likely explanations:

 - 'they' are being more careful now to avoid people who might have problems

 - you are propagandizing and are lying which is a pretty easy thing to do as an anonymous person on a random forum.


I'd be interested to know if you, as a purported doctor, have seen any vids of supposedly injected persons who are supposed displaying neurological symptoms who seem, in your expert opinion, to be faking.

It's an honest question if you've been reading my posts on the subject.  Oileo is also welcome to expand his list past the '33 year old doctor' who he called as a fake.

Presumably you two putative doctors would agree with the doctor from Harvard Johns Hopkins who says that the Florida doctor who lost all his platelets due to an autoimmunity reaction and died is 'medically certain' to have had is condition brought on by the injection so we don't need to discus that one.  Unless, of course, you wish to.

Edit: institution fix

Hello there, I write on the forum rarely these times but I'm glad my post about me getting a vaccine as a doctor got some interest.

First thing I am (but I was pretty sure about it) feeling well, and the dozen collegues who work with me - all of them choosed to take the vaccine-  are right as well. A couple got some pain at the injection site for a day, a couple some fatigue sensation for a day. About 30/40 of the auxiliary personal of my unit took the vaccine too (not all of them, like one in ten refused) and one of them got fewer for one day; in the whole hospital (i think 500 or so vaccinated so far) we didn't had a single serious reaction.

I know that's no way to convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but if someone is having reasonable concerns about the novel mrna vaccines I had too, I studied and I finally got to the conclusion there's no reason to have such concerns.

I don't want to debunk every single fake information, do what you want people, this is just my bitcent.

To be fair, there are no studies that I know of which demonstrate that victims of this gene therapy DO transmit either.

What I've heard is the Moderna chief medical officer (and Israeli intel agent) Tal Zaks say that the millions (or billions?) of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Moderna was not enough to figure out if their product stopped people from getting and spreading the SARS-cov-2 virus.  So it is just an unknown.  If further work on this is not underway then it's probably the case that people transmit the virus just fine.

As designed, the treatment is deemed 'efficacious' if the average person will have a fever for three days without the shot and two days with the shot should the become infected with SARS-cov-2 and have any symptoms at all.  That is to say, if any of the symptoms of so-called 'covid-19' are reduced, then the pre-emptive gene therapy treatment 'works' from a regulatory standpoint.

There is a catch though.  The 'reduced symptoms' clock only starts something like 7 or 14 days after the shots.  This to avoid counting 'side effects' of the gene therapy treatment.  Of course since the timeframe of the trials was so short there is no meaningful end-time of this window.

By calling this re-tooling of a gene therapy that the (productless) Moderna has been working on for 10 years a 'vaccine' the corporation can more easily obtain complete indemnification for any harm done to the test subjects.  And anyone getting the shot is, both functionally and legally, a 'test subject' and will be under rigorous surveillance for a few years.  But then so will everyone else as well most likely.

RNA treatments don't meet the legal definition of a vaccine
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/01/13/dr-david-martin-on-experimental-mrna-covid-vaccines-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-a-medical-device/

“This is not a vaccine.”

Do you just ignore everything else Steinar Madsen has said?

“We are not alarmed by this. It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients”
“Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated. Those who are very frail and at the very end of life can be vaccinated after an individual assessment"

"Any side effects of the vaccine will be outweighed by a reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19 for elderly, frail people."
"For very frail patients and terminally ill patients, a careful balance of benefit versus disadvantage of vaccination is recommended.”

It is, in part, about trying to protect the system which owes the elderly the return of a lot of money which was stolen by the financial sector class who dominate the World Economic Forum.  The effects of the vaccine gene-therapy was already anticipatable and is becoming more apparent by the day.

Well I am young, and my body can take the adaptation of foreign RNA, so I don't think it will be a significant factor for me 

I am in wait for larger significant values that I can see if it is really dangerous for me.

Fragile and Elderly doesn't fit me for the next 60 years so its not significant.

I thought the vax was there to protect the elderly people. 

No need to wait anylonger.

After 23 deaths in Norway in connection with the Covid-19 vaccine; frail elderly people are now advised to avoid the vaccine.

"If you are frail, you should probably not be vaccinated" Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency said at a webinar on corona vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.

The last thing i want to see, got that loser on ignore (the only one)

Scientists are warning humanity!
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/en/?fbclid=IwAR3uX34c86z1aguiTcyIOWbJumdinDPgp0-NLB06WKaajBYwnVHG1KoI3PY