Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 81. (Read 20317 times)

he was not a trained specialist. he was a university drop out.
also his crimes were not thought crimes. but loonatic physical crimes.

he got arrested for assaulting a security guard
he got arrested for harrassing and racially abusing a parking warden.

the reasons for his triggered aggression.
he is part of a freeman cult that believes that people should not pay for things like fines and mortgages

funny part is the security guard incident was where he was a loony trying to stop bailiffs evicting someone that didnt pay their mortgage. and after the arrest the family getting evicted dropped him from their group and disassociated themselves from him.
they didnt want him part of their anti-mortgage/anti-eviction group.
which is when he set up his lame anti parking fines group, begging for money

...
so like i said. if you conspiracy nuts want to try saying something:
1. do your research
2. use actual sources outside of your conspiracy group
3. emphasising (2) dont use quotes of your own nutters as proof
4. actually find true source technical/scientific data. not nutters opinions


even funnier.. andy went on to then debunk himself

 PILATE:  He sounds a notowious thought cwiminal.
 CENTURION:  We haven't got him, sir.

Thanks for pulling up this (seeming pre-canned) bit of research.  Matches pretty much exactly what I had been concerned about.  There were technically insufficient details to the guy's screed which was one of my tip-offs.

Often petty (and sometimes not so petty) criminals are let off the hook if they play a role in state sponsored or approved operations.  It's just the way things work.  They tend to have poor ethics in the first place, and can be thrown right back in the clink if the flap their gums.

he was a student. 10 years ago. not a specialist.

also on further research he is a antifracking, anti gov, freeman conspiracy guy.
he has been arrested many times and appeared in court many times for his radical thoughts.

if conspiracy nuts were atleast smart. they would not be trying to scrape the botto of the barrel of their own cabin fever members as 'proof' especially when the member of their cult they choose has no reputation or experience
its as if they make a call out to their members and ask 'has anyone ever done something atleast slightly related to healthcare. we need to borrow your expired ID and ask you to say a few words in our favour'

andy pears is a complete radicalist. he has fallen deep into the freeman cult and is now self employed scamming funds from people for his advice on how to fill out a car park ticket

Why, would you suppose, is it that a 'Biomedical Scientist in Immunology' might be associated with the graduate school of Education?

The adversary (mine) pride themselves on deception and lying.  It is not a thing of shame at all.  Just the opposite.  This is why it is so pathetic to see someone with 'Christian Values' so-to-speak berating one of their kind over ethics and being deceitful shit-heads.  They simply have completely different ways of looking at things.  Cass Sunstein made a career out of figuring out devices to trick and 'nudge' the goyim.  That's why I am especially wary for tricks, traps, and schemes.  It's not that difficult or clever to plant false stories (especially when the mainstream media is owned by the tribe), but the perps imagine that it is when they get away with it.  When they don't and get caught, they commonly put on their 'fellow white' persona.

Sure a chinese whispered fakebook story has its shortcomings
A quick 2 sec check spit out this
https://bristol.academia.edu/andyPears

Quick cross-check.  I don't see the guy's name in some quick scans of scientific literature and such...and don't feel like logging into linked in and doing further research at the moment.  I wouldn't circulate this around without some better validation.

Someone qualified certainly does not trust the trojan horse

because the government authorised it. the government is on the hook..
vaccine compensation schemes have been existant and real for decades.
yep its not new last year.

EG if you got food poisonning from a restaurant. which is better. try finding the lawyers of the farmer or seek compensation from the restaurant that served you.
EG if you find a fault with a product. do you try to sue the asian sweat factory. or try getting compensation/refund from the retailer that sold you it

the benefit is instead of a trial subject having to hire an attorney and try suing a private company in another country. they simply file a claim themselves from home with the government
cheaper, faster, easier to get compensation if your claim is real.

trying to sue a international company is not cheap, easy. fast and the chance of getting a positive verdict via court is actually lower.

as for thinking international companies have no punishment they do. its just done by the government not by the citizen. because the government has a harder kick than a citizen ever could

Don't listen to a dumb-fuck who cannot tell you what a plasmid is. (AstraZeneca + others in the pipeline)

On the different topic of mRNA (Moderna, Pfizer, etc):  mRNA might (or might not) 'break down' in a few days, but it would happen only after it has made a random normal cell in the body of a random type express things like the spike protein on it's surface along with it's normal features associated with a 'self' cell of whatever type it might be.

The whole goal is to make the immune system react against the synthetically sequenced new protein.  If the immune system cannot pick up the newly programmed feature only and starts to think of the whole neuron (or platelet in the case of the dead Florida doctor) as an enemy, then it's pretty likely to provoke autoimmunity.

This 'hurry hurry hurry vax everyone fast fast fast' operating is in theory and in fact an 'authorized' (NOT an 'approved') drug trail and everyone involved is a test subject.  In most trials the experimenter is on the hook for damages.  The exact opposite is true of this one.  The experimenter is specifically legally indemnified against any ill effects from the experiment and the trial subject is pretty much completely on their own.  Good luck to them.  I personally think that the insiders have a pretty good idea of what is going to happen to a lot of the trial victims and it ain't good.  At least for the trial participant.  Some might (and do) argue that it will be good for Mother Gaia and/or the pension funds bottom lines though.

AND doctors. Don't underestimate the fact that you are finally getting rid of the 99% of doctors.

Right! Even if the vaccine-like test drug doesn't kill the people, they will become so extremely inadequate as human beings that they might as well be dead.

This means that we'll be getting rid of any effective Antifa and BLM people first.

Hi,
Thank you for posting a proper question about a reasonable doubt.
This is the same for every new drug: we have to wait time to be sure of long times effect. This is the so-named "phase IV" of a clinical trial, the continuous pharmacovigilance about the long time effect.
In the past some disasters happened (I.e. talidomide), and every error teached us how to develop safer and safer drugs. This shit had been properly tested (please do not belive what you read there), but like every new drug we cannot be completely sure about long time effects, we can just reasonably predict that it is safe.This goes the same also for every new material (i.e. asbestos) or food or technology. We as humanity can only learn from errors and try to develop better and safer shit. We made errors, but they are relatively rare and are becoming rarer as time pass. And they WERE NOT MADE ON PORPOUSE.

Before injecting I checked some info (I have found besides other things a degree thesis on novel vaccines that was pretty instructive, I would share but it's in italian) and I have come to the conclusion that the mrna vaccine is probably safer that traditional vaccines (that are, of course, safe).

This is due to the fact that they have lesser additives (they are not poisons like stated here, but they can cause some allergic reaction when you inject a great number of people, so the lesser the better), have less cross-reactions and they cannot cause the covid disease (some type of vaccine can cause the disease, although it's very very rare).

On the long term, the most probable thing is that you will lose the temporary immunity you had acquired thanks to the vaccine. And stop. This thing degrades fast, and will affect only some of your fat cells of the arm and the memory of your immune system. Those feared of "reprogramming" are not only incompetent in this matters, but also american zoomers who didn't see beatiful cartoons series instructing 90's kids about the immune system and the transcription mechanism.

On the contrary you can read there about my collegue losing her smell and taste after a covid paucisymptomatic infection in march, and for those who develops pneumonia some grade of permanent polmunary damage is not uncommon even in younger patients, also in cases that did never need pulmonary support.

You can choose the risk but you cannot completely avoid it. This is like wearing an armor made of unknown material to combat against a known and dangerous enemy.

rna is not the same as DNA so just avoid talking to idiots calling it gene therapy.

as for other things like can the proteins and enzymes cause long term health risks
well now thats like talking to a vegan about how processed meat causes cancer
if your vaccinated with mrna 2 times a week for 10 years then things could happen.. but thats not reality

in short dont talk to hippies about science. instead read the actual science reports.

mrna breaks down quickly in you body once its done its job. it does not hang around for years
RNA and DNA are different things

DNA is for life rna is for days
RNA does not reprogram your DNA

Don't worry we will learn it in a few years. Let the suckers beta test it first. If you want to be a beta tester yourself, go on get vaxxed.

I fully support the use of vaccines, but I worry about possible long-term side effects with the new vaccines. How can anyone say with any confidence there will be no long-term consequences with vaccines that have been developed so rapidly?

In addition to the below, the vaccine is simply a test drug or test injection. The results will be analyzed and recorde over time through methods in the below article.


The New mRNA COVID Vaccines Inject an Operating System into Your Body - Not a Conspiracy Theory,

conspiracy idiots have the same mentality as the republican neo-nazi.
and so by thinking the nazi's could do anything they please that must mean modern science must be evil.

yes insanity and illogic. but thats how their minds work
its as if they cant research real facts. and so spend their evenings watching movies like 'nazi zombies', 'terminator','matrix' and then fantasize how those movies are the real world where some secret movie plot joins the movies scripts together... and thats how they come up with their crap
complete fantasy

i guarantee you antivaxxers spend more time finding fantasy stories to pretend they are denouncing healthcare. rather then spending proper time safety reports about how they do safety checks.
they would rather learn about mutated aliens than spectral analysis
eg tvbcof buzzwording genetic therapy and crossing out vaccine. without understanding that covid vaccines do not modify DNA

i have yet to see a antivax idiot make a comment about the quality assurance processes that vaccine companies do. comparing them. and then finding out what government health institutions then do on receipt of vaccine.
becasue if they did do the research properly/at all, they would learn that the 'fetus cells' are cells from 1970's that are used to test the effectiveness of a vaccine in a sterile lab. and not used as a material ingredient in the end vaccine

heck they dont even look at what vaccine disability compensation schemes exist for worse cases.
they have no desire to look at which vaccines are safest. instead they just want to make them all look bad, because their fantasy life is more entertaining

Besides that by googling "squalene vaccines" it's clear that it has been debunked so many times there is a review from 2010 on pubmed reviewing older studies debunking it, but...

Do you really think that some couple of thousand of evil scientists all around the world are trying to inoculate poisonous shit into people on porpouse? And that the vast mayority of other scientists are partner in crime with them or too dumb to recognize what's happening?

Some people seems prone to belive everything that gives them the perception to have some sort of "exoteric" knowledge about how thing in the world really are. Not unusually they turn to seems pretty stupid from outside, like flat-eartheners, but from inside their group they think they are smartasses and everyone around them is stupid or corrupted or evil.

There's not even a little chance that you anti-vaxxers could be mistaken like them or the reptilian guys? Because I ensure you that for the vast mayority of the medical community, me included, you seems like the flat eartheners of medicine.

Note that Sinovac and Sinopharm are two different companies.  Sinopharm is working on at least two different products.  It's a state owned outfit and China is advanced enough to be doing some gene therapy work (a-la the Sputnik V DNA injection out of Russia) so I could imagine their 2nd effort being something like that.  But information on all this stuff is sparce, and particularly so out of the Chinese work.

At least one of Sinopharm's products is current generation adjuvated inactivated virus as is Sinovac's.  I've been unable to discover WHAT the adjuvant being used in any of the Chinese ones.  Adjuvant variants containing mainly aluminium are the go-to standard, but for years they've been trying other things.  Moderna (mRNA gene therapies still require adjuvation when trying to use them as vaccines) uses squalene which is chemically similar to the oil lubricating one's joints.  This is important because it is common for the immune system to develop excessive activity against whatever is used as an adjuvant, and joint problems are commonly associated with squalene adjuvant experiments and implementations.

Think of the adjuvant as the 'nitrous oxide' of vaccines.  The fool the immune system into going crazy...and often enough it results in chunks in the oil-pan (autoimmune diseases and such.)

Squalene was used in some injections/experiments on troops for Gulf war 1 back in the early 1990's and is implicated in some of the joint related elements of 'gulf war illness'.  As far as I know, they have for a couple of years been giving it to oldsters in the flu vax.  I guess they figure that old people's joints tend to be fucked up already and they won't know the difference.

Back on subject, one of Sinopharm's (supposed) products is what seems popular with the wealthy and well connected.  That might be their 'third vaccine'.  The Saline+[nothing] variant.