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legendary
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January 15, 2021, 04:29:35 PM
Hello there, I write on the forum rarely these times but I'm glad my post about me getting a vaccine as a doctor got some interest.

First thing I am (but I was pretty sure about it) feeling well, and the dozen collegues who work with me - all of them choosed to take the vaccine-  are right as well. A couple got some pain at the injection site for a day, a couple some fatigue sensation for a day. About 30/40 of the auxiliary personal of my unit took the vaccine too (not all of them, like one in ten refused)

Could you at lease characterize your organization and give a regional location?  This because I would like to figure out the difference between facilities where it is grudgingly reported that the rejection rate is closer to 50% among medical professionals.

and one of them got fewer for one day; in the whole hospital (i think 500 or so vaccinated so far) we didn't had a single serious reaction.

Why do you suppose that other institutions who have likely fewer staff (e.g., Juneau) might have several people with problem while the percentage for your institution was much less?

I could see two likely explanations:

 - 'they' are being more careful now to avoid people who might have problems

 - you are propagandizing and are lying which is a pretty easy thing to do as an anonymous person on a random forum.

I know that's no way to convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but if someone is having reasonable concerns about the novel mrna vaccines I had too, I studied and I finally got to the conclusion there's no reason to have such concerns.

I don't want to debunk every single fake information, do what you want people, this is just my bitcent.

I'd be interested to know if you, as a purported doctor, have seen any vids of supposedly injected persons who are supposed displaying neurological symptoms who seem, in your expert opinion, to be faking.

It's an honest question if you've been reading my posts on the subject.  Oileo is also welcome to expand his list past the '33 year old doctor' who he called as a fake.

Presumably you two putative doctors would agree with the doctor from Harvard Johns Hopkins who says that the Florida doctor who lost all his platelets due to an autoimmunity reaction and died is 'medically certain' to have had is condition brought on by the injection so we don't need to discus that one.  Unless, of course, you wish to.

Edit: institution fix

legendary
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January 15, 2021, 03:52:52 PM
Hello there, I write on the forum rarely these times but I'm glad my post about me getting a vaccine as a doctor got some interest.

First thing I am (but I was pretty sure about it) feeling well, and the dozen collegues who work with me - all of them choosed to take the vaccine-  are right as well. A couple got some pain at the injection site for a day, a couple some fatigue sensation for a day. About 30/40 of the auxiliary personal of my unit took the vaccine too (not all of them, like one in ten refused) and one of them got fewer for one day; in the whole hospital (i think 500 or so vaccinated so far) we didn't had a single serious reaction.

I know that's no way to convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but if someone is having reasonable concerns about the novel mrna vaccines I had too, I studied and I finally got to the conclusion there's no reason to have such concerns.

I don't want to debunk every single fake information, do what you want people, this is just my bitcent.



legendary
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January 15, 2021, 03:46:23 PM
RNA treatments don't meet the legal definition of a vaccine
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/01/13/dr-david-martin-on-experimental-mrna-covid-vaccines-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-a-medical-device/

“This is not a vaccine.”
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   We need to be really clear. We’re using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions.
  *  This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA packaged in a fat envelope, that is delivered to a cell.
  *  It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.
  *  It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term, and they’re a legally defined term under public health law, they’re legally defined term under the      CDC and FDA standards.
  *  And a vaccine specifically has to stimulate both an immunity within the person who is receiving it, but it also has to disrupt transmission.
  *  And that is not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell, it is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.
  *  But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of the public health authorities, because then people would say, well what other treatments are there?

To be fair, there are no studies that I know of which demonstrate that victims of this gene therapy DO transmit either.

What I've heard is the Moderna chief medical officer (and Israeli intel agent) Tal Zaks say that the millions (or billions?) of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Moderna was not enough to figure out if their product stopped people from getting and spreading the SARS-cov-2 virus.  So it is just an unknown.  If further work on this is not underway then it's probably the case that people transmit the virus just fine.

As designed, the treatment is deemed 'efficacious' if the average person will have a fever for three days without the shot and two days with the shot should the become infected with SARS-cov-2 and have any symptoms at all.  That is to say, if any of the symptoms of so-called 'covid-19' are reduced, then the pre-emptive gene therapy treatment 'works' from a regulatory standpoint.

There is a catch though.  The 'reduced symptoms' clock only starts something like 7 or 14 days after the shots.  This to avoid counting 'side effects' of the gene therapy treatment.  Of course since the timeframe of the trials was so short there is no meaningful end-time of this window.

By calling this re-tooling of a gene therapy that the (productless) Moderna has been working on for 10 years a 'vaccine' the corporation can more easily obtain complete indemnification for any harm done to the test subjects.  And anyone getting the shot is, both functionally and legally, a 'test subject' and will be under rigorous surveillance for a few years.  But then so will everyone else as well most likely.

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January 15, 2021, 03:21:31 PM
RNA treatments don't meet the legal definition of a vaccine
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/01/13/dr-david-martin-on-experimental-mrna-covid-vaccines-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-a-medical-device/

“This is not a vaccine.”
Quote
   We need to be really clear. We’re using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions.
  *  This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA packaged in a fat envelope, that is delivered to a cell.
  *  It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.
  *  It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term, and they’re a legally defined term under public health law, they’re legally defined term under the      CDC and FDA standards.
  *  And a vaccine specifically has to stimulate both an immunity within the person who is receiving it, but it also has to disrupt transmission.
  *  And that is not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell, it is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.
  *  But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of the public health authorities, because then people would say, well what other treatments are there?
legendary
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January 15, 2021, 02:15:07 PM
Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.

No need to wait anylonger.

After 23 deaths in Norway in connection with the Covid-19 vaccine; frail elderly people are now advised to avoid the vaccine.

"If you are frail, you should probably not be vaccinated" Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency said at a webinar on corona vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

Do you just ignore everything else Steinar Madsen has said?

“We are not alarmed by this. It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients”
“Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated. Those who are very frail and at the very end of life can be vaccinated after an individual assessment"

"Any side effects of the vaccine will be outweighed by a reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19 for elderly, frail people."
"For very frail patients and terminally ill patients, a careful balance of benefit versus disadvantage of vaccination is recommended.”
legendary
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January 15, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.

No need to wait anylonger.

After 23 deaths in Norway in connection with the Covid-19 vaccine; frail elderly people are now advised to avoid the vaccine.

"If you are frail, you should probably not be vaccinated" Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency said at a webinar on corona vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

I thought the vax was there to protect the elderly people.  Huh

It is, in part, about trying to protect the system which owes the elderly the return of a lot of money which was stolen by the financial sector class who dominate the World Economic Forum.  The effects of the vaccine gene-therapy was already anticipatable and is becoming more apparent by the day.

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January 15, 2021, 01:07:38 PM
Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.

No need to wait anylonger.

After 23 deaths in Norway in connection with the Covid-19 vaccine; frail elderly people are now advised to avoid the vaccine.

"If you are frail, you should probably not be vaccinated" Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency said at a webinar on corona vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

Well I am young, and my body can take the adaptation of foreign RNA, so I don't think it will be a significant factor for me  Cheesy

I am in wait for larger significant values that I can see if it is really dangerous for me.

Fragile and Elderly doesn't fit me for the next 60 years so its not significant.
legendary
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January 15, 2021, 12:46:44 PM
Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.

No need to wait anylonger.

After 23 deaths in Norway in connection with the Covid-19 vaccine; frail elderly people are now advised to avoid the vaccine.

"If you are frail, you should probably not be vaccinated" Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency said at a webinar on corona vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

I thought the vax was there to protect the elderly people.  Huh
sr. member
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January 15, 2021, 12:08:05 PM
Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.

No need to wait anylonger.

After 23 deaths in Norway in connection with the Covid-19 vaccine; frail elderly people are now advised to avoid the vaccine.

"If you are frail, you should probably not be vaccinated" Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency said at a webinar on corona vaccine for journalists on Thursday.
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January 15, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Right now, all I'm waiting for is for the month of January to pass, and see if there are negative effects that the vaccine might cause to those who had already been vaccinated.

I do not trust the vaccine completely, but I can trust it enough, only after I see the result to vaccinated peeps after this month.

Also, I'm keeping my eye on Indonesia's president, pres. Jakowi as he is already vaccinated with the low efficacy rate vaccine, which is the sinovac.
sr. member
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January 15, 2021, 03:08:55 AM

I wanna watch when they inject frank1 with -94°. It should be entertaining. Grin

Cool

The last thing i want to see, got that loser on ignore (the only one)

Scientists are warning humanity!
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/en/?fbclid=IwAR3uX34c86z1aguiTcyIOWbJumdinDPgp0-NLB06WKaajBYwnVHG1KoI3PY
legendary
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January 14, 2021, 09:39:54 PM
when media shows hundreds of thousands of people die due to covid. .. nothing
when media shows 23 die due to something else. conspiracy world go insane
such jokers

Depends on the country I must say. In our place, covid is a big problem. Yes, it is a third-world country thus we value our lives more because hospital payments are high.

I wanna watch when they inject frank1 with -94°. It should be entertaining. Grin

Cool
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January 14, 2021, 09:27:33 PM
when media shows hundreds of thousands of people die due to covid. .. nothing
when media shows 23 die due to something else. conspiracy world go insane
such jokers

Depends on the country I must say. In our place, covid is a big problem. Yes, it is a third-world country thus we value our lives more because hospital payments are high.
legendary
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January 14, 2021, 07:26:10 PM
when media shows hundreds of thousands of people die due to covid. .. nothing
when media shows 23 die due to something else. conspiracy world go insane
such jokers
legendary
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January 14, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
There are dozens of links in the below info. Go to the site and check out the problems with the vaccines. Video are at the bottom of the page.


Compilation of recent stories and videos covering covid vaccine injuries, side effects and DEATHS



Part of the reason Big Tech censors anyone who discusses the truth about vaccine injuries is because they don’t want you to find out how dangerous covid vaccines really are.

Across the USA and around the world, people are dying from covid-19 vaccines. Many others are experiencing horrific convulsions, partial paralysis, hospitalizations and other bizarre side effects. (See the shocking videos below, all of which are banned on YouTube and Facebook.)

The following is a collection of some recent stories revealing the dangers of covid-19 vaccines. H/t to The Burning Platform for the list.

The Bill Gates Effect: WHO’s DTP Vaccine Killed More Children in Africa Than the Diseases it Targeted.

Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer Covid vaccine as her father says he ‘wants answers’.

Mexican doctor hospitalized after receiving COVID-19 vaccine.

Hundreds of Israelis get infected with Covid-19 after receiving Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

Wife of ‘perfectly healthy’ Miami doctor, 56, who died of a blood disorder 16 days after getting Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is certain it was triggered by the jab, as drug giant investigates first death with a suspected link to shot.

75-year-old Israeli man dies 2 hours after getting Covid-19 vaccine.

Death of Swiss man after Pfizer vaccine.

88-year-old collapses and dies several hours after being vaccinated.

Thousands negatively affected after getting Covid-19 vaccine.

Hospital worker with no prior allergies in intensive care with severe reaction after Pfizer Covid vaccine.

4 volunteers develop FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid-19 jab, prompting FDA to recommend ‘surveillance for cases’.

Investigation launched as 2 people die in Norway nursing home days after receiving Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine.

Hundreds Sent to Emergency Room After Getting COVID-19 Vaccines.

U.S. officials report more severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines.

NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions.

COVID-19: Single vaccine dose leads to ‘greater risk’ from new coronavirus variants, South African experts warn.

CDC reveals at least 21 Americans have suffered life threatening allergic reactions to Pfizer’s COVID vaccine.

Woman experiences side effects of COVID-19 vaccine.

COVID Vaccine Side Effects More Common After 2nd Dose.

Bulgaria Reports 4 Cases Of Side Effects From Pfizer Covid Vaccine.

Two NHS workers suffer allergic reaction to Pfizer Vaccine.

Coronavirus Vaccinations Seem to be Causing 50 Times the Adverse Events of Flu Vaccinations after Just the First of Two Shots.

“I’m Just Not Buying It” – Jeff Gundlach Raises Questions About COVID Vaccine’s ‘95%’ Efficacy Rate.

Doctors Warn Side Effects From COVID-19 Vaccine “Won’t Be A Walk In The Park”

Professor Dolores Cahill: Why People Will Start DYING A Few Months After The First mRNA Vaccination.

What Vaccine Trials?


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legendary
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January 14, 2021, 03:47:38 PM

For people who are more interested in the real science behind these gene therapies, here's a reasonably concise run-down of things from back in May.  It's one of the more useful of the articles I've read recently, and is kind of interesting in terms of how things look in the 'market' now 8 months later.

  https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/Adenoviral-vectors-new-COVID-19/98/i19

legendary
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January 14, 2021, 03:16:36 PM
Its save dont worry
https://np.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/kx49cy/just_another_coincidence/
Moderna COVID-19 shot was taken January 4th and full body convulsions and spasms 

Do take note that there was a psy-op with someone displaying what look like quite similar 'symptoms' after a gaurdasil shot.  Then she was 'caught' faking things.  It gave the vaccine safety people a black-eye because a lot of them fell for it.

Note also that Dr. Buttar who is pretty front-and-center in the current Covid fraud thing on the 'frontline doctors' team (and on Bigtree's show) was involved as the fraudster's 'physician'.

Getting these mRNA and DNA gene therapies into as many people as possible as quickly as possible is VERY important to some VERY well funded people.  They have also had a long time to plan out strategies.  Further, they really love psychological operations and tricking their adversaries using deception.

I'm not saying one thing or another on any of these recent 'adverse events'.  As I've said above, I don't have a medical degree or experience to judge the expression of many kinds of symptoms for fakery or fraud.  I have, however, studied how propaganda and psychological operations have worked in the past, and I fully expect ones from this cookie-cutter and others to be used in the future.

I also expect to be presented with a sort of a 'messiah figure' who will 'vanquish the evil ones'.  And Gates, Fausti, WEF, etc are pretty much as comically clown-shoe 'evil' as it gets.  I would keep my eyes open for people or groups who might swoop in to fill a basically pre-arranged vacuum.  Given the current predictive programming (and historic statements attributed to Von Braun and such) it seems possible to me that they'll even use 'aliens' to be the ones who come in to get rid of the 'evil ones' to 'save humanity', then, of course, some mere humans will have to take the reins back to straighten things out.  I'd be mindful of any cadre who might seem to be forming up and who might fit that slot.

Of course I would also be happy to take good science and good information from anyone who can give it.  I've found that when an actor is 'in development' they often provide copious amounts of fantastic information.  That's how they build credibility.

sr. member
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January 14, 2021, 01:48:04 PM
Its save dont worry
https://np.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/kx49cy/just_another_coincidence/
Moderna COVID-19 shot was taken January 4th and full body convulsions and spasms 
legendary
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January 14, 2021, 01:25:20 PM
The whole vaccination thing is been controversial an as such, its best to be cautious than being a lab rate. So i'm not sure i'll be taking any vaccine now until its generally accepted as safe. Besides, is the fact about allergies being put into consideration about the production of these vaccines? Or it offers no problem at all?
Good to know we've got professional physicians in this thread.

Chuckle.

It has been the case that solid evidence of a licensed doctor gracing the forum has been presented.  It happened via a court case with a guy who used to go by the handle 'cypherdoc'.  He was in court for allegedly defrauding people using this forum among others one suspects.  It wasn't related to a gambling site or coin mixer though.

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January 14, 2021, 01:01:31 PM
The whole vaccination thing is been controversial an as such, its best to be cautious than being a lab rate. So i'm not sure i'll be taking any vaccine now until its generally accepted as safe. Besides, is the fact about allergies being put into consideration about the production of these vaccines? Or it offers no problem at all?
Good to know we've got professional physicians in this thread.
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