Topic: Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide. - page 7. (Read 4879 times)

In the beginning stage everyone do not know how ICU and where is the best place to to find and do some kinds of verification in gambling field but after some experience it will definitely is there for everyone to find which is the best verified betting option it will also suits for everyone.

It is possible to make 'Chrome Extension' like you said but it won't be of much help. In order to calculate the result and verify bet, user has to change the seeds to reveal the previous server seed. Extension won't do that automatically (also it is advisable to manually set client seed). So in order for extension to work, you have to manually change the client seed after every bet. Once, client seed is changed, extension can get the seed data from 'My bets' column and calculate results.

So yeah, it is possible to automate part of the process (i.e. you don't have to manually paste the seeds) but whole process can't be automated (i.e. you still have to change the seeds manually).

Casinos needs to make sure that each bets are fairly being executed as they wanted to assure gamblers thier credibilities.
In order to gather trust casino owners deal with this first before launching their business.

Most of the time gamblers are dealing with some concern as they are thinking that something is not fair from the game that
they've been so they resort everything to get the details.

Unfortunately, most people still don't do this. I'm guilty of it too.

Is it at all possible to create a script that runs in the background as a provably fair checker for every bet automatically? Perhaps a Chrome extension would have a wider reach and help more people verify their bets than a site where you'd have to manually copy over your seeds.

It might sound paranoid but I think it's worth it to protect ourselves. Who knows if a casino has gone rogue at any point.

I don't verify every single bet because that would be too time consuming. If a website isn't transparent and doesn't make it easy to verify then I do go out of my way to verify as many rolls as I can to see if I am being cheated. Sometimes you can find mistakes and sometimes you can see that some sites are outright scamming. One time FreeBitco.in had a mistake in their lambo drawing and had to redo it after it was discovered. A site that many people believe is scamming would be Coinpot which if you go through recent posts in their unofficial Bitcointalk thread you will see that people are saying that the results shown on the website don't match the provably fair formula.

If you don't believe in provably fair - you probably don't understand it. This system is, perhaps, the only thing that can actually verify that a certain gambling website isn't a scam. When online casinos first started appearing lots of them were scams and back then it would be wiser to trust real-life casinos over virtual ones. But now it's quite the opposite, thanks to provably fair.

I'll try to explain it as I understand it and make it as simple as possible. Imagine that you're playing a game where you, say, have to guess a word, you tell what's your guess to a certain person and he'll then tell you if your guess is right or wrong. But how do you know if he isn't lying? In order to prove his fairness, he's holding a tablet with the encrypted right answer and, let's say, there's a certain encryption algorithm named "HAAA" that encrypts letters in numbers. And then, for instance, the word is GRASS and after performing the "HAAA" encryption you only see a set of numbers. Let's say, the following equivalents are designed within the algorithm: G is 8, R - 2, A - 4, S - 9, so what you see on the tablet is 82499 - the result of encryption. But the example I gave you is very simple and one might think that anyone can get the right answer from the numbers, but here's the coolest and very important thing about SHA256 - it only hashes one-way: you can encrypt with it, but you can't decrypt. So, what you need to do next is to go to a trusted third party that does encryptions and ask them to encrypt the word GRASS with the "HAAA" algorithm and see if they get you the set of numbers that was on the tablet. If the numbers are the same (82499 in this case) - it proves that the word was GRASS.
That's about it, hope you'll believe it now

Most people like living off the edge thinking that a single varifier cannot dictate their winnings or losses when it can literally save you from unfair losses rigged by the server and the gambling site itself. Casinos do that thing where they check every game before letting people play it, why has it all of a sudden become "inconvenient" for you guys to verify the credibility of your bets.

Verily, I have never verify a specific gambled bets before, to me especially, I just only enjoy playing bets as long as the site is a legit one without bothering and caring to check the fairness of the bets. However, it's a better thing to practice what op is really talking about to observe a successful end on our bets. Thanks op for sharing this with us.

I only verify one or 2 bets in new casinos. But if I am playing with known casino here, I don't usually check the provably fairness because in my mind, if they are screwing players, then it should have been exposed already by veteran players. But in any case, this thread is very useful to gamblers if they want to check the validity of the provably fairness system of the casino. I'll be bookmarking this topic on my end. Thanks much!

Thanks for sharing, worth a read. 


Verifying if the games are Provably Fair is very important, but I don't really do that all the time or every time I bet, one verification is enough for me, as long as the site is reputable, I believe they would not do stupid things that could harm their reputation.

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

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This is really bad but the reality is that in our life there are so many scamming sites that we will have to avoid to stay safe and I think the only way is that we should not open Every website without proper research as many of them are fake. I am feeling bad to say but I also been a victim of this thing so people who check and verify the game before investing stay safe. There are so many resources Search on Google if you feel the site is scam just reported and don’t gamble with them.

I think it's a good strategy to set your own client seed each time, because instead you've to trust the game code and/or your browser randomness... But more importantly, it's funnier 

I'm really glad that you liked it. Within a week, a new and well-detailed article on Provably Fair will be published on BTCgosu.com in which everything will be explained in more details and in completely non-technical language.

It will be complemented with a Provably Fair Tool where user can verify the fairness of 33 casinos at single place.

I will publish the update here as well, once article and tool will be live on btcgosu. Stay tuned!

This was the best explaination about server seed, client seed and nonce ive seen since i was wondering what this means when i was playing long time ago.

What i did then was always changing the server seed every bet, that was my strategy but dont have knowledge how it works. I even create new account just to change my luck then, it gives me a fresh new start. 

I have encountered some(Of course I didn't entertain them) but I read posts like this, they are promoting these kind of sites and is acting like they are one of the staffs. They goes like this telegram, they will message you and and once you reply, they will promise you a great profits saying that they have control over the outcome of the casino.

Some functionality of the site is working such as the games and deposit. It also seems like you are winning in the games but the problem will come when you try to withdraw your funds, either is not working, or they will ask you to deposit more in order to withdraw.

First of all, in the very start of the conversation, the site is not reputable already because of having these kind of staffs if they really have, in addition, knowing that the staffs have control to the outcome is a complete destruction of the reputation of the games. Not provably fair, and just made to scam people around.

All casinos give bonuses, especially to new players. This is how they attract new players and try to make sure that they always play there.
However, players should remember that the size of bonuses is limited by the profit of casinos, which can not give all bonuses at a loss, they also need to earn. Therefore, the size of bonuses must be adequate and can't be much more than in similar casinos.

It seems to me that this is the only reason why players enter a new casino. As you know, all new projects are forced to give bonuses much higher than average in order to attract the public. But at the same time, if the bonus is too high, then it is very suspicious and scares off experienced players. A funny paradox