Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide. - page 8.

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But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

I think the gambling place that provides that sentence can be used to make players more sure about the betting system that is being carried out because usually when there is no writing like that the players think that the gambling place is manipulating the game, maybe that's what I know from the gambling place circulating at this time.

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

A simple rule is to stay away from the new casinos and play at the old ones. People play at new casino because they are either attracted by the interface of the new site or they want to gather the promotions and bouns which the new site offers. Remember that a site who want to scam will give you a very attractive promotion offers.

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Wow, this is a very nice explanation with simple, but detailed terms about how provably fair works.

This would be a beneficial thread especially for the not technically inclined people who wants to understand provably fair's nature.

With this, gamblers would be more wary of their actions when placing their bets so they won't be cheated on. Because like what you said, it's usually the human's tendency to neglect some parts and only consider a few like the starting part and end of the code given to them.

Verifying and making sure of getting the same server hash before placing a bet should definitely be a gambler's duty to notice if there's some kind of anomalies going on so they could report it and make proper actions.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on August 20, 2020, 06:34:04 PM

For me, verify every bet is really troublesome, I'm a gambler who doesn't care about fairness issues on the gambling site.
As long as the gambling sites I use are popular and provide the features and games I want, I don't care about their system
is it provably fair or not.

Your position is quite clear, I am sure it coincides with the position of the majority.
But you must understand that the need for an honesty check, as a rule, arises if it seems to you that you have been deceived.

It is in this case that such functionality will be extremely useful.
In addition, those platforms on which there is the possibility of verification are much more credible than those on which it is not. This is the quality standard.

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Quote from: FontSeli on August 17, 2020, 11:42:06 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 16, 2020, 12:27:24 PM

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

As you correctly noted, these are one-day projects and they are unlikely to deceive anyone for serious sums - software development, website launch, advertising (even illegal) are expensive compared to the earnings they will have time to get. Therefore, for purely economic reasons, such projects either live very little or do not appear at all.

Now the fight against scams on our forum is much better than a few years ago. However, this does not stop scammers who launch more and more crypto projects and sites in order to earn as much as possible before they are exposed.
And if I gave them my money, I will be cheated by them. Then they will be called scammers, this will save other people's money, but I will never be able to get my money back.

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Quote from: FontSeli on August 17, 2020, 11:42:06 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 16, 2020, 12:27:24 PM

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

As you correctly noted, these are one-day projects and they are unlikely to deceive anyone for serious sums - software development, website launch, advertising (even illegal) are expensive compared to the earnings they will have time to get. Therefore, for purely economic reasons, such projects either live very little or do not appear at all.

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Quote from: goaldigger on July 31, 2020, 07:16:13 AM

That’s a lot of numbers to crack for you to know if its fair, and if you are just playing to have fun then you don’t have time to know if its a real fair or not. Someone will work on that, those who gamble seriously should make sure that the site is fair to you and fair on giving details of your games. Probably fair really exist, top gambling site is making sure to be fair to remain a reputable gambling site.

But we are talking about blockchain. One way or another, we can do a check inside the network, and there are special algorithms for this. I have never trusted regular online casinos because their source code is closed and we cannot be sure of anything. But blockchain allows for a different way of looking at these things. Why configure the system in such a way that someone would lose more if initially all factors are arranged in this way. The probability of losing is always slightly less than the probability of winning.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on August 20, 2020, 06:34:04 PM

For me, verify every bet is really troublesome, I'm a gambler who doesn't care about fairness issues on the gambling site.
As long as the gambling sites I use are popular and provide the features and games I want, I don't care about their system
is it provably fair or not.

This is my first time on hearing out someone do tell that they dont care about legitimacy or fairness of the site.lol. Of course we do really care because its just dumb

for you to make deposits if you arent sure if the site you are dealing with is fair.At least even if you do lose then you do know that you have lost in a fair way which wont really give any

some feeling of regret or being angry just because you had been rigged but somehow on the quality and in talks of popularity then a certain site wont really reach that
state if they arent fair in the first place.

There are gamblers who are really keen on checking out.

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For me, verify every bet is really troublesome, I'm a gambler who doesn't care about fairness issues on the gambling site.
As long as the gambling sites I use are popular and provide the features and games I want, I don't care about their system
is it provably fair or not.

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Verifying the bets will give you awareness and idea on the platform you are betting with so as a gambler, you must do things like this to be aware of your bets and secure your earnings.

But most of us don't do this kind of things, they'll just bet and leave the platform without observing how it works because they thought it'll be a waste of time.

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Quote from: BlackFor3st on August 13, 2020, 03:21:11 PM

As a gambler, I am having a difficulty in verifying the fairness of every website that I was able to play even if they are giving an instruction on how we will be
able to check the fairness in their platform.

And I am wondering also if the script that they are giving can be altered easily just to cheat the players and they are just displaying the script just to say that they
are fair. And with regards to client and server seed, I am very poor about it even if you are giving a good example to it.

For a reputable gambling website, they won't cheat to their member or they will lose their members if somehow, their members know about that. That gambling site will tell that they are fair enough to their members, and even, they can invite people to try to test their script to know if they are fair or not. I never think about fair or not because I don't play gambling as other people. And for me, as long as I can play without any problem, that will be fair.

How can we say that even a reputable gambling website won't cheat its users? we don't know because the system isn't transparent. So definitely, there are part of this that cheating really occurs sometimes on reputable or non-reputable platforms and we aren't aware of that.

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Quote from: shoreno on August 17, 2020, 10:38:51 AM

Playing without paying attention on other details is a suicide and it's similar to giving away your money to the strangers .

They play using their own money because they are also expecting for some return but if they don't like to verify their bets then it's better if they will only use fake money or faucet money to play for fun .

Sometimes, they use fake money or faucet, but at the other time, they will deposit some money, but not to be used to gamble all day long. They can expect to get the win money, but they also need to win the games will need luck. And if the luck comes, no matter if the site is fair or not, you will win that. We can play without thinking about fairness if our reason for playing gambling is not chasing the money.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on August 10, 2020, 02:46:55 AM

This is the biggest advantage of a provably fair online game casino, which is for users to verify the outcome of the game and not just suspecting that the casino is fabricating the result for their own good.

I haven't tried to verify a singe game of mine, but with the thread you just made, I think I will do it for my future bets. For most of the people who hardly understand this topic, I advise to study these terms first:

Hash Functions,
Cryptography,
SHA256,
SHA512,
Third Party Hash Applications

I'll rephrase how I understand the verification process:

What you need is to hash the unhashed seed from the server and client, then simply compare the hashes shown by the casino to the thirdparty hashing application.

You don't need to hash the client seed since it's your own. But in order to check the outcome you will have to run the game algorithm with your seed and the deciphered house seed.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 15, 2020, 09:58:34 AM

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

I think the gambling place that provides that sentence can be used to make players more sure about the betting system that is being carried out because usually when there is no writing like that the players think that the gambling place is manipulating the game, maybe that's what I know from the gambling place circulating at this time.

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

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I have never verified provably fair bets but I was believing in it back when I used to gamble I feel stupid for that now.
I did only bet on the most reputuble sites Primedice and Bitsler but still you should check the authenticity if your risking your money.
I now think its not only dangerous but stupid to gamble at all never mind do it with out verifying the bets I lost so much money gambling never again.
When you give these people your bitcoins you're thinking its only a few hundred dollars or whatever but its actually whatever bitcoin becomes worth in the future to. Feels bad to lose more bitcoin at casinos then I will ever make again.

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If the reputable gambling website cheating the members, and the members know, they will get into the problem, and the member can chase the site with help from other people who know about the law. Yes, we don't know if the system cheats or not, but we can anticipate from the cheat by not using too big money for playing gambling.

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

Yes, they can check the fairness, but not all gamblers can do that, and some of them are only want to play gambling without thinking about fairness or not. But they will search for the fairness of the game on that site by reading many sources, so they don't have to worry about fairness. It is good for people who can check the fairness of the game, so if they find something strange, they can show to people, and maybe they can get help from other people who can check the fairness.

Playing without paying attention on other details is a suicide and it's similar to giving away your money to the strangers .

They play using their own money because they are also expecting for some return but if they don't like to verify their bets then it's better if they will only use fake money or faucet money to play for fun .

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 15, 2020, 09:58:34 AM

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If the reputable gambling website cheating the members, and the members know, they will get into the problem, and the member can chase the site with help from other people who know about the law. Yes, we don't know if the system cheats or not, but we can anticipate from the cheat by not using too big money for playing gambling.

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

Yes, they can check the fairness, but not all gamblers can do that, and some of them are only want to play gambling without thinking about fairness or not. But they will search for the fairness of the game on that site by reading many sources, so they don't have to worry about fairness. It is good for people who can check the fairness of the game, so if they find something strange, they can show to people, and maybe they can get help from other people who can check the fairness.

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Quote from: qory on August 15, 2020, 02:26:46 PM

I really learned a lot reading from here I never thought that provably fair might be not fair as well, whenever I see a "Probably Fair" option in the tab or somewhere the casino I just thought that they are fair already I think I should now start checking the casino on where I am currently playing.

It might be shameful to say but i do accept nor i do have same impressions when i do see that provably fair tab where i do automatically believe that theyre fair just because you can
able to check it out but in most cases im not really that too much concern to verify things up as long i do see players then thats already a go.

It do really changes up my perception when i do read up this thread and it really open my eyes on how important on verifying things up and you would be that confident
that you are playing on a fair site.

From now on, i will change up that kind of behavior and starting to verify things up from time to time specially on newer sites.

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Quote from: qory on August 15, 2020, 02:26:46 PM

I really learned a lot reading from here I never thought that provably fair might be not fair as well, whenever I see a "Probably Fair" option in the tab or somewhere the casino I just thought that they are fair already I think I should now start checking the casino on where I am currently playing.

You should check if the site offer you to verify the bets. If there is no option on the site to verify, then there is 80% chance that the site is not Provably Fair. I always try to play on sites which are transparent and offer to verify the games.

This thread will helped a lot of gamblers and if they are promoting their referral links to promote a gambling site this is a big help they can promote how fair the site by letting them check the algo, gamblers are comfortable in playing in a site that is known as fair.

Good way of bringing new gamblers to the site who are willing to be check if they are using this system.

Trust will be established between, we as gamblers knows that trusted gambling house recieve more players supports.
The more they show how genuine the system is the more players / gamblers to join and play inside the house.

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Quote from: Google+ on August 15, 2020, 12:32:10 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 15, 2020, 09:58:34 AM

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

I think the gambling place that provides that sentence can be used to make players more sure about the betting system that is being carried out because usually when there is no writing like that the players think that the gambling place is manipulating the game, maybe that's what I know from the gambling place circulating at this time.

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 15, 2020, 03:20:09 PM

Quote from: qory on August 15, 2020, 02:26:46 PM

I really learned a lot reading from here I never thought that provably fair might be not fair as well, whenever I see a "Probably Fair" option in the tab or somewhere the casino I just thought that they are fair already I think I should now start checking the casino on where I am currently playing.

You should check if the site offer you to verify the bets. If there is no option on the site to verify, then there is 80% chance that the site is not Provably Fair. I always try to play on sites which are transparent and offer to verify the games.

This thread will helped a lot of gamblers and if they are promoting their referral links to promote a gambling site this is a big help they can promote how fair the site by letting them check the algo, gamblers are comfortable in playing in a site that is known as fair.

I always feel comfortable in depositing money in the casino which are old ones and trusted. I do try new casino's but mostly play with the free money which they offer. Once I realize that the site is trustable, Provably Fair and no bad feedback reported, only then i deposit my money on those new gambling sites.

I feel the same way to since I can leave for a while without worrying about my money at the old sites compare to those new where they don't have any reputation to break and anytime they can run since they already got the funds of their gamblers. So for this discussion about fairness its truly better for us to go on olds since the assurance is 100%.

But for news I still doesn't have any guts to deposit on then and I just monitored first if they are reliable and looking for promotion and marketing conducted by them since by this it could tell that the site have bright future.

Well said. It is more easy to rely and be assured with old sites, especially those sites that are long known to be fair and has clear record. IT is really a must to check on these new sites and also pay attention to the feedback of those people who had experienced with them to avoid making mistakes.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 16, 2020, 07:41:24 AM

Quote from: aioc on August 16, 2020, 07:34:29 AM

Quote from: noormcs5 on August 15, 2020, 03:20:09 PM

Quote from: qory on August 15, 2020, 02:26:46 PM

I really learned a lot reading from here I never thought that provably fair might be not fair as well, whenever I see a "Probably Fair" option in the tab or somewhere the casino I just thought that they are fair already I think I should now start checking the casino on where I am currently playing.

You should check if the site offer you to verify the bets. If there is no option on the site to verify, then there is 80% chance that the site is not Provably Fair. I always try to play on sites which are transparent and offer to verify the games.

This thread will helped a lot of gamblers and if they are promoting their referral links to promote a gambling site this is a big help they can promote how fair the site by letting them check the algo, gamblers are comfortable in playing in a site that is known as fair.

I always feel comfortable in depositing money in the casino which are old ones and trusted. I do try new casino's but mostly play with the free money which they offer. Once I realize that the site is trustable, Provably Fair and no bad feedback reported, only then i deposit my money on those new gambling sites.

I feel the same way to since I can leave for a while without worrying about my money at the old sites compare to those new where they don't have any reputation to break and anytime they can run since they already got the funds of their gamblers. So for this discussion about fairness its truly better for us to go on olds since the assurance is 100%.

But for news I still doesn't have any guts to deposit on then and I just monitored first if they are reliable and looking for promotion and marketing conducted by them since by this it could tell that the site have bright future.

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