Topic: Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide. - page 9. (Read 4887 times)

This thread will helped a lot of gamblers and if they are promoting their referral links to promote a gambling site this is a big help they can promote how fair the site by letting them check the algo, gamblers are comfortable in playing in a site that is known as fair.

You should check if the site offer you to verify the bets. If there is no option on the site to verify, then there is 80% chance that the site is not Provably Fair. I always try to play on sites which are transparent and offer to verify the games.

I really learned a lot reading from here I never thought that provably fair might be not fair as well, whenever I see a "Probably Fair" option in the tab or somewhere the casino I just thought that they are fair already I think I should now start checking the casino on where I am currently playing.

I really learned a lot reading from here I never thought that provably fair might be not fair as well, whenever I see a "Probably Fair" option in the tab or somewhere the casino I just thought that they are fair already I think I should now start checking the casino on where I am currently playing.

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

Verifying the bets will give you awareness and idea on the platform you are betting with so as a gambler, you must do things like this to be aware of your bets and secure your earnings.

But most of us don't do this kind of things, they'll just bet and leave the platform without observing how it works because they thought it'll be a waste of time.  
How can we say that even a reputable gambling website won't cheat its users? we don't know because the system isn't transparent. So definitely, there are part of this that cheating really occurs sometimes on reputable or non-reputable platforms and we aren't aware of that.

If the reputable gambling website cheating the members, and the members know, they will get into the problem, and the member can chase the site with help from other people who know about the law. Yes, we don't know if the system cheats or not, but we can anticipate from the cheat by not using too big money for playing gambling.

can we say that even a reputable gambling website won't cheat its users? we don't know because the system isn't transparent. So definitely, there are part of this that cheating really occurs sometimes on reputable or non-reputable platforms and we aren't aware of that.

I am a gambler who only plays with a small amount, so I never verify every bet that I have done. It turned out that after I read
the explanation in the opening post, I understood that checking the fairness of the script is important. Thank you for opening my
mind regarding fairness, from now on I will always verify every bet I make.Just wanted to make sure I wasn't cheated by the house.

Most of us have a herd-mindset haha. We never verify our bets on sites which are already popular, nor we have the energy because we are lazy verifying each and every bet isn't important specially if you verify some and the site is already trusted by many and have a license. Because for them to get a license, they really have to be completely fair!

I am a gambler who only plays with a small amount, so I never verify every bet that I have done. It turned out that after I read
the explanation in the opening post, I understood that checking the fairness of the script is important. Thank you for opening my
mind regarding fairness, from now on I will always verify every bet I make.Just wanted to make sure I wasn't cheated by the house.

I am a gambler who only plays with a small amount, so I never verify every bet that I have done. It turned out that after I read
the explanation in the opening post, I understood that checking the fairness of the script is important. Thank you for opening my
mind regarding fairness, from now on I will always verify every bet I make.Just wanted to make sure I wasn't cheated by the house.

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Exactly. The funniest thing is that a casino makes the most profit if it works as honestly as possible. And any bias in the results relative to the theory of probability is more profitable for the players than for the casino. I read an article about this in some scientific journal, unfortunately I cannot give a link now.

Provably Fair Script is one of the basic element of online gambling, especially for crypto based casinos. However, most of the gamblers don't give dime about it while some don't even know what is it and how it operates. I started crypto gambling in 2016 and didn't know about Provably Fair for most of my initial gambling days. But believe me in the absence of Provably Fair, you are not gambling, you are just being cheated by the house.

The basic idea of this thread is to share my views on PF script and how to make most out of it. I have spent few weeks developing unique logic for Provably Fair script for upcoming gambling site clubbing it with blockchain technology. While developing it, I visited around 20 casinos and tried their PF script to understand current practice. However, this thread is not about my script but about current practice.

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Now coming to the most important part. Probably this part is the main reason why I created this thread. Although, the above system is foolproof but site owners can easily fool you if you ain't paying enough attention. So here are the few points you should consider while gambling:

(i) Always copy server seed hash shown to you before betting.
(ii) After bet is complete, create new client seed. Make sure server seed is also changed along with it.
(iii) Once new client seed is created, site will show you unhashed server seed of previous bet. Copy it and convert it to sha256 hash using some third party online tool.
(iv) Match the server seed hash that you copied in step (i) to the one generated in step (iii) and make sure both are exactly same.

Two days ago, I tested my code with few people. I shown them different server seed hash before bet and after bet I kept first 6 characters same, last 3 characters same and few similar characters in the middle. It took just 30-40 seconds for my machine to generate such hash. With more powerful machine, I can speed up the process and create more matching characters. To my surprise, none of the tester noticed that they were shown different server hash before and after bet. It is human tendency that they only consider few letters (probably starting and ending ones) when presented random word like hexadecimal hash. So with bare eyes, no one was able to notice the difference. So be safe and make sure you verify every bet you make. Being a coding enthusiast, I can assure you that it is very much possible that house can easily manipulate results without player even noticing.

Another thing you can do is to use cross-casinos verification. For example, Fortunejack and Bitsler use same script, you can verify your fortunejack bets using bitsler's verification script.