Topic: Does God judge the nations? - page 2. (Read 4029 times)

It is a question I have asked you before, but you never answered it.

Answer the question yourself.  If your "creator" commanded you to kill another human being, would you do it?
It is an important question, especially for someone like you in your mentally/emotionally ill condition.
There are many cases of mentally/emotionally disturbed people killing other people because they believed "god" told them to do it.

Goes back to - what makes something murder?  When the state orders the Death Penalty, is that murder?

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.


..............is trying to say is that putting your friend or wife to death for having a different belief was not murder in that time.  It was just God's orders.

33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain
-Deut 2

16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
17 Completely destroy them - the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusite - as the LORD your God has commanded you.
-Deut 20

20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the LORD had commanded Moses.
-Joshua 11

24 And it came to pass when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness where they pursued them, and when they all had fallen by the edge of the sword until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned to Ai and struck it with the edge of the sword.
25 So it was that all who fell that day, both men and women, were twelve thousand - all the people of Ai.
26 For Joshua did not draw back his hand, with which he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
-Joshua 8


Nah! That's not "murder"!

Are you kidding? Give me two interns and a month and I can create a whole new religion with more pages than the bible.Except God in the Bible never gives instructions to murder anyone.  Again, what makes something murder?

Good question, i guess we can ask why didn't He just destroy satan right off the bat. Probably the most known use of satan was when God allowed him to torment Job who was beloved of God. Personally i seek a being to put all things right because i don't trust mankind to do it. You question God and that's fine with me, as a matter of fact i trust that more than someone who thinks they can defend all His actions, because i think that's impossible, and i say that not because i don't trust Him. I'll check out your evolution of religion (if you have a link that's cool) but i think religion comes from man interpreting the Bible, not whatever ultimate message the Bible might have. I don't think mankind would be capable of writing such a book over such a long period of time

The better question is why "god" created it in the first place.It is ridiculous to discuss "god" judging anything that this same "god" created.
How many times does this "god" have to kill-off humans and re-create them?

Did "god" somehow become "surprised" by his "creation" four times!!!! ?

Did any of you pin-heads wonder why your "creator"    created   "evil" in the first place?Did any of you pin-heads ever question why your "creator" was so narcissistic?
If your "creator" was such a great deal, why would his "creation"  not worship it without question?

Our conscience convinces us there is something wrong with suffering, starvation, rape, pain, and evil, and it makes us aware that love, generosity, compassion, and peace are positive things for which we should strive. This is universally true in all cultures in all times.

Neither of which imply he cannot DO evil.  The bigger question..... perhaps for zolace....if God is all powerful....why would he need to do evil in order to work towards good?  He is allegedly all powerful.

In any event...it is clear the bible was written by men, fabricated to conform the masses and control them, to answer the unanswered questions of our fears.  Google "the evolution of religion" if you interested in the how religion comes naturally to every tribe around the globe as men became sentient in their own evolution.  This isnt for an guy like you who also denies the reality of evolution, but zolace might be interested.

Bible says god is good....so if god tells Moses that women and kids who believe in other gods should be killed...it must be good.


Im dying for the context that makes this OK .  I cant see it in any scripture you have mentioned.  You will have to break down and actually state your position on this clearly.  There is a first time for everything.

I tell you what.  You tell me the context that makes it OKto kill women and children for their beliefs,  and I promise to look at it and study it and see if it changes my position.  Ive been asking you for this "context" that makes putting women and children to death for some time.  Give it to me and give me a chance to appreciate it and change my mind ok???

What fascinates me is that you continue to mention a context where killing women and children for their belief is OK without EVER saying what the context actually is.

In fact, as an example, it is impossible for God to lie.  Nor can he be tempted by evil.  

Hebrews Chapter 6
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

From James 1

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which [the Lord] promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:
14 but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown, bringeth forth death.

Nope, god doesn't exist. Scary to think there are adults still believing in fairy tales  

If he did exist, why would he pass judgement on nations? Wouldn't god have 'created' the nations anyway?

 I agree that Paul says that, for those that love God, all things work together for good (and that would include evil).

But, its another thing to say that God Himself would do something morally evil.  Apart from it not making sense (it would mean there is a Being higher than God Himself - CS Lewis' Mere Christianity actually touches upon this)....

Apart from that, there is the plain reading of scripture that God does not do moral evil.

I agree with you.
God gave freedom and free choice to the people.
So, they are free to do whatever they want.
If people follow God's directions and ask for His help, He will support.
So, Bible is the true but people are killing other people, not God.
In fact, 10 great commandments are basic moral rules for over 3 or 4 thousands years, much before modern human lows.

Of course, if there be no God, if we are just animals, highest on earth as it is, what does murder mean even?

But, within us all there is something that testifies that God exists.  Many times we choose to try and silence that testimony (for example - questions about murder get ignored).

In Revelations, you have people crying out to the mountains to hide themselves from the Creator - rather than repent.  It is rarely an issue of evidence, but rather of will.

This is such a difficult thing to understand and say. But here goes. Remember that at the Creation, God said that He saw everything that He had created, and it was good. God loved His creation.

When wickedness was found to have entered the universe through Satan, God had a choice to make. That choice was to destroy it all, or else to save it somehow.

The choice was to save it. God sent His Son, Jesus, Who in the power of God, took the God's punishment for man. Jesus could do this, because He became a man, as well as being God.

God did a trick. He injected Himself into the universe, into the form of a man - Jesus - so that multitudes of people could be saved. It cost Jesus a lot - pain and death on the cross, along with the punishment that every person would have received for the evil that each individual does.

Now that we understand this, where is the righteousness and where is the evil? God has turned evil into righteousness through His Son, Jesus.

Define the message then, i would say Christ is the message. Looking at that Jeremiah verse in 110 it says I will repent of the evil i thought to do. So another message is there is good and evil, if everything works toward good (as the Bible states) then everything would include evil. I won't try and read more into it than that, just seeing what i read. I also won't try to figure it all out, no one can