Topic: Does God judge the nations? - page 4. (Read 4029 times)

why dont you tell us the context in which an instruction to kill women and children for a belief in another god is OK?    Can you do that or will you do the normal thing and allude to some hidden context in some scripture whereby we are supposed to use our ESP to figure out exactly what you might be referring to?  I really dont need a response like...."you clearly ignored the context in Chapter/verse" orthe above ":note that you refuse to consider context".  Ive heard you say shit like that now for days without actually ever explaining the context that might make murdering people OK.   Tell us the context where killing women and children for a belief is OK and dont simply allude to it.  When is it OK for me to put my neighbor to death for believing in another god?  Why was it OK for people to do it back then?

If context matters so much, why have you not yet shared the context that can make killing others for their beliefs acceptable?  This seems to be the thrust of your argument...so fucking make it already!!!  I anxiously await a detailed description of the exact context that makes it OK to kill people for their beliefs.

All people have religion. Those who kill others have a very strange religion. Often they believe that it is entirely wrong to murder. Yet they do it anyway, knowing it is wrong. What a strange religion!

Look at it this way. If there were a bunch of people who were totally against putting anyone to death for anything, they would all die because those that were in favor of killing people would kill them all off. So, if they wanted to live, they would have to adopt killing some people under some circumstances, namely, those murderers who were killing them off.

If the Bible is true, then they were not innocent.

In fact, none of us according to the Bible.    According to the Bible, you and I are responsible for the crucifying of the Son of God.

The evil of believing in the Buddha isn't in the fact of the good living that they proclaim. It is in the fact that they think that anybody can ever be good enough to live forever one way or another.

Eternal life isn't something mystical. Rather, it is something ultra-scientific. It is logical. For example, if you could take all the pollution out of our lives, and add only wholesome foods, destroy the inherent degradations in our cells, and think only pure thoughts, we could live for a long time - maybe hundreds of years.

The problem is, we don't know what it is like to do this. Buddhism goes in that direction somewhat. The problem with Buddhism is that it doesn't, can't, go far enough, just like Hinduism.

While Christianity doesn't go as far as Buddhism and Hinduism in the actual living, practical operations, Christianity goes all the way in preparing people for eternal life.

God is ultimately going to destroy this universe because of the evil that has come about in it; God can't stand even the tiniest bit of evil. He is offering us a method in faith in Jesus to gain eternal life in the New Universe He is creating... a Universe that will have no evil in it, no flaws, no capability for potential mistakes, yet freedom, love, and goodness for all who live therein.

You are free to make your choice. God might entice you, He might call to you, He'll slap you around a little, all so that you wake up and join with Him. He is the only way to eternal life. He is doing it for your own good. No matter what you think, history makes it obvious that everyone dies in this life. At least give yourself a chance. Turn to God.

I fully considered context........ and rejected it.  Killing a child because their parents happen to believe in another god is murder in every context imaginable.

Recall that I addressed content directly...I said THERE IS NO FUCKING CONTEXT WHATSOEVER that EVER...as in ....EVER...make the killing of a person for their belief acceptable.  It is murder.  It will always be murder. Not everything is absolute...but this is.  You can bend over backwards looking for context that makes it ok....but it doesnt exist.

My logic is fully intact. When you abandon logic to put your faith in the "truth" of a fairy tale, then logic is cast out the door.  If the bible is true....god ordered innocent women and children to be put to death.  If the bible is not true.christians just think he ordered women and children be put to death.....both bad options.

it is one thing if you were simply disagreeing - but, your thinking is twisted, given how illogical your answer was.

If the Bible is true, the problem is us.  Had you said that therefore because you cannot accept the implications of the Bible being true, it is then false, you at least would not have been illogical, right or wrong as you then may be.

But, you are a typical example of Romans chapter 1.


Note that you refused to consider context, and you also refused to have your position looked at closely also. 

When you compare the dictionary definition of God to the knowledge that we have around us, even science tells us that we are just scratching the surface of the complexity of the universe. Yet, the universe acts like a machine. And machines have makers. So, since the machinery of the universe is way more complicated than we are, the universe at least is God. Personally, I undrstand that God is outside the Universe - Something completely different.

Think about it.


The universe is too complex for more than one God. If there were more than one, they would have had to act entirely as one to make the universe work. Otherwise their individual thinking would have contradicted each other in some areas so that the universe would never have come into existence. One God !!!


How do you know a nation exists? Big mouthed politicians have described the nations of the world. Yet the borders that they define are not the borders that the people living on the land always accept.

For example, Thrace doesn't exist. But if you look up the people of eastern Greece and southwestern Romania, you will find that the people still identify themselves with the nation of Thrace, which has been long gone formally.



Actually, God's people are spread around the world. It includes all the people who believe in the Salvation of Jesus, whether or not they have a formal country. Consider the book of Daniel in the Old Testament. Daniel 2:44 (NIV 1984):

In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

Join the kingdom that will never be destroyed. Fill yourself on the Bible so that it becomes easier.


You are so right about people needing to stop being idiots. Take a look at my posts here in this topic, and see that people who are not willing to believe in God in the proper way are the stupid ones.


You are a thinker. Stop wasting your thinking ability on such silly thinking. Rather, find out Who God is so that you can be saved. He reveals Himself in the Bible.

Thats all fine and well but tell that to the guy who commanded Moses to tell others to kill men, women and children who happened to be born in a place where they worship other gods.   Your brainwashing tells you god is good, so you rationalize the shit out of the old testament.  I am not brainwashed and can see the OT as the fire and brimstone murdering angry god that is clearly written.

Romans 1 is not a transition.  Paul is stating a principle.   This is what happens when folks reject the knowledge of their Creator, true?

A person cannot get any more illogical than that.

If this is indeed an act of the Creator, and since the Creator is the source of all Goodness - it cannot be evil.

We cannot be more righteous than our Creator.  So, if anything, the problem is with us.

Nothing more arrogant than us judging our Creator.  But, we all do it.  Part of our fallen nature. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

There is only One God. The Muslim god is either a very bad picture of the One God, or it is not the One God at all. The Muslim god is, among other things, a god of good works salvation. The Christian (and Jewish) God is a God of the gift of salvation, because NOBODY can live righteously enough to keep himself/herself alive.

Too bad about the Jews that they just won't accept that the Messiah, the Christ, came in the form of Jesus of the New Testament. They are so missing it.

Again, the answer to this is in: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8315130.

Murder is the killing of someone for purposes that are not righteous. The whole Bible gives us a picture of what is righteous and what is not.

This is a good post. The only answer is that understanding comes to people who fill themselves on the Word of God, the Bible.

There is a difference between murder and vengeance, self-defense, extermination, and simply following God's orders. What's interesting is that God doesn't order anything in today's world that is not written in the Bible.

The few people who are Bible readers and listeners on a regular basis, and think like this, have forgotten that the whole purpose of the Bible is so that people will be informed about the salvation that God offers through Jesus. Everything that happens in life and in this universe will be destroyed someday, and someday soon. When this universe is finally destroyed, it will never be remembered or brought to mind in the New Universe that is coming from God. That is why Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. There is no middle. Everything is Jesus, the Christ. All those who are found in Him will be with Him forever, and He is in God.

Of course, Moses murdered that Egyptian before he was called to lead the Israelites out of Egypt.

It has to do with the need and the attitude of the heart. Murder isn't right, but neither is idly sitting by and letting someone murder you.

So, is killing someone in self defense or defense of your family, when he is going to murder you or your family member, really murder? Just be sure that his intent is to murder.