Topic: Does God judge the nations? - page 7. (Read 4029 times)
Not everyone agrees on what constitutes murder - what makes your interpretation the correct one, out of curiosity?
To be honest, I don't know your position on the DP, and while given your general political stance, the odds are you are against it, for some reason I though there were circumstances that you thought it was just to use.
Well, not sure why you refuse to answer, so let me then ask this:
Would you agree that in the past half century (or so?), there is a growing number of folk who see the death penalty as not only cruel and unusual punishment, but that its use constitutes murder by the state, regardless of what it is used for?
I could care less if you think I am for or against the DP or how the DP is viewed and if it is outlawed or brought back to use more. I really cannot explain to you just how much I could care less about this irrelevant topic you seem obsessed to introduce. My only point in this thread is that killing people...women and children.... as God instructed Moses simply because they believed in another god........ is 1) murder and is 2) wrong in ANY CONTEXT and at ANY TIME PERIOD. That is how I feel and all your feet stomping cant change it in order for you to rationalize "God is good" in that old Testament bullshit. Well, not sure why you refuse to answer, so let me then ask this:
Would you agree that in the past half century (or so?), there is a growing number of folk who see the death penalty as not only cruel and unusual punishment, but that its use constitutes murder by the state, regardless of what it is used for?
Prove God first.
Back to the original question 
Does God judge the nations?
In my humble opinion God judge people, not nations, but there are exceptions in Bible.
If some country try to harm people or nation chosen by God (like Israel in the old testament) in order to protect his chosen people, God will destroy enemy nation.
It seems that old testament really was very brutal time but in the New testament situation is opposite.
We have just teaching, by Jesus, about love and forgiveness.
Personally, I much more like this part of Bible
Does God judge the nations?
In my humble opinion God judge people, not nations, but there are exceptions in Bible.
If some country try to harm people or nation chosen by God (like Israel in the old testament) in order to protect his chosen people, God will destroy enemy nation.
It seems that old testament really was very brutal time but in the New testament situation is opposite.
We have just teaching, by Jesus, about love and forgiveness.
Personally, I much more like this part of Bible
What dance? Unexpectedly, you yourself provided evidence of you belief in the existance of a Creator in trying to make your point.
Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
By saying "god-instructed" genocide you conclude I admit a belief in a creator?Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
To be honest, I don't know your position on the DP, and while given your general political stance, the odds are you are against it, for some reason I though there were circumstances that you thought it was just to use.
Well, not sure why you refuse to answer, so let me then ask this:
Would you agree that in the past half century (or so?), there is a growing number of folk who see the death penalty as not only cruel and unusual punishment, but that its use constitutes murder by the state, regardless of what it is used for?
Well, not sure why you refuse to answer, so let me then ask this:
Would you agree that in the past half century (or so?), there is a growing number of folk who see the death penalty as not only cruel and unusual punishment, but that its use constitutes murder by the state, regardless of what it is used for?
Now, will you ever state your position and why? Why do you think the context of the time made it OK for God to demand Moses to have others killed...if you even think that? Why was this nothing more than a death penalty that was fair and just at the time? Rather than dancing around for months and hundreds of posts thinking you are somehow cleverly leading me to see things your way (which aint gonna happen in ten thousand posts and ten million years) ...just say what the fuck it is you are thinking.
And, actually, we are talking about the Death Penalty here, according to the context.
Now, whether it was a just use of the DP is the question; but, no point even going there, if you think there is no valid use of the DP.
What then is your position on the DP?
No we are not talking about the death penalty. If you would like to discuss it, I have suggested numerous times that you start another thread. We are talking about a biblical instruction that allegedly arose from the Lord telling Moses that anyone who believed in other gods should be killed. If you would like to think of this as a death sentence that is fine, but it is not akin to capital punishment. Now, whether it was a just use of the DP is the question; but, no point even going there, if you think there is no valid use of the DP.
What then is your position on the DP?
And, actually, we are talking about the Death Penalty here, according to the context.
Now, whether it was a just use of the DP is the question; but, no point even going there, if you think there is no valid use of the DP.
What then is your position on the DP?
Now, whether it was a just use of the DP is the question; but, no point even going there, if you think there is no valid use of the DP.
What then is your position on the DP?
I also suggest you start a thread about the death penalty and/or abortion if you would like to discus whether or not that is murder etc., you seem to be fascinated with the irrelevant.
What dance? Unexpectedly, you yourself provided evidence of you belief in the existance of a Creator in trying to make your point.
Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
By saying "god-instructed" genocide you conclude I admit a belief in a creator?Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
Nonetheless we are not talking about a death penalty for a capital crime, we are talking about God's instructions to Moses that anyone who believes in a different god should be killed, murdered, terminated, put to death. There is no context in which genocide is OK or akin to a death sentence for a heinous crime. This is a death sentence for a belief in another god. I know that in defense of your make-believe god you would like me to accept that this written instruction that allegedly occurred from God to Moses is merely a death sentence of its day for evil people and who am I to declare it right or wrong. I will tell you (hopefully for the last fucking time) that I simply do not agree with this at all and none of your stupid fairy tale bullshit will convince me otherwise....ever. The instructions in the bible in Deuteronomy that were conceived and written by man (since god is a fairy tale) are instructions for murder/genocide pure and simple. It doesnt get any clearer than that.
What dance? Unexpectedly, you yourself provided evidence of you belief in the existance of a Creator in trying to make your point.
Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
By saying "god-instructed" genocide you conclude I admit a belief in a creator?Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
What dance? Unexpectedly, you yourself provided evidence of you belief in the existance of a Creator in trying to make your point.
Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
By saying "god-instructed" genocide you conclude I admit a belief in a creator?Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
What dance? Unexpectedly, you yourself provided evidence of you belief in the existance of a Creator in trying to make your point.
Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
Rather unexpectedly, I have to admit, but I am inclined to let go explaining the 'context' just for that little nugget.
No culture or society would ever condone wholesale genocide, much less ever admit to participating in it.
More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
Actually, if you read the account, it was not for having a 'different faith'.But, lets go with your error and again ask - what determines that something is murder? Some folks think aborting babies is murder - not all. Some folk think the government executing murderers or rapists is murder - other folkd do not.
What makes your interpretation of murder the correct one?
Is there a point to this? After all, it's just a fairy tale.
It is no different than militant Muslims in the 21st century believing they are obeying their "god" by killing everyone who is not Muslim, except that Muslims will allow people the opportunity to convert to Islam and live as second-class citizens (slaves) to Muslims.
Remove your head from your ass, stop believing in fairy tale , and it makes perfect sense that you are simply attempting to rationalize and justify wholesale genocide.
You also have to consider the fact that the Exodus accounts are 100% pure fiction. The events, just like your Flood Myth and your childish Creation myths, are pure bullshit. No culture or society would ever condone wholesale genocide, much less ever admit to participating in it.
More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
Actually, if you read the account, it was not for having a 'different faith'.But, lets go with your error and again ask - what determines that something is murder? Some folks think aborting babies is murder - not all. Some folk think the government executing murderers or rapists is murder - other folkd do not.
What makes your interpretation of murder the correct one?
Is there a point to this? After all, it's just a fairy tale.
It is no different than militant Muslims in the 21st century believing they are obeying their "god" by killing everyone who is not Muslim, except that Muslims will allow people the opportunity to convert to Islam and live as second-class citizens (slaves) to Muslims.
Here's whats true......your God told Moses that people who worship other gods should be put to death...aka murdered. Awesome God.
Yes, though you purposely avoid the context in which that happens.But, in doing that, you have again admitted to the truth of Romans chapter 1, interestingly enough. More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
Actually, if you read the account, it was not for having a 'different faith'.But, lets go with your error and again ask - what determines that something is murder? Some folks think aborting babies is murder - not all. Some folk think the government executing murderers or rapists is murder - other folkd do not.
What makes your interpretation of murder the correct one?
Is there a point to this? After all, it's just a fairy tale.
It is no different than militant Muslims in the 21st century believing they are obeying their "god" by killing everyone who is not Muslim, except that Muslims will allow people the opportunity to convert to Islam and live as second-class citizens (slaves) to Muslims.
Here's whats true......your God told Moses that people who worship other gods should be put to death...aka murdered. Awesome God.
How do we know that this is true? Because it's in a book? Everything that's written in a book must be true, and esp. if that book is very old...
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