Topic: Does God judge the nations? - page 5. (Read 4029 times)

I swear to God, he don't exist!  
Christians and Catholics are very much different. but they do celebrate last supper on the first Friday of the month at 8:30AM. -- yep last supper.

One dark moonlit night a cowboy was sleeping in a hotel room, a luxury he wasn't often able to afford. In the middle of the night, something awakened him. In the dim moonlight streaming in through the window, he saw a hand rising up at the foot of his bed. Carefully he reached over and picked up his revolver, and shot the hand. He still limps, to this day.

We often initially believe things that are not the truth.

Many people think there is more than One God. The reason is that we have so little understanding about the complexity and operations of the universe. Our universe is so extremely complex, that even if there were many gods putting it in place in a form of creation, they would have to act as ONE to avoid inconsistencies that would have kept it from being brought into existence. Hence, ONE GOD.

God always existed. What this means is, the place where God lives is so extremely different from this universe that there is no way to compare anything in this universe with God's Heavenly Home. Even the notion eternity is something of this universe. God doesn't need eternity to exist. Eternity is simply a tool that He uses. However, we are so weak that eternity is something great for us, just like life.

Regarding God's vengeful destruction he does of the nations, see: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8315130.

It really doesnt matter if they are true or not....the only thing I am commenting on is that either a) if god exists and the bible is correct, then he is a murderer, or b) if god doesnt exist and the stories in the bible are manmade.....then the fictional God character is a murderer in the OT.

See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8315130.

See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8315130.

It is saddening really. People waste time arguing over uncertain things when they can put their efforts in some more constructive way. We can make this world better! For everyone here and now. Not after our death.

I am saying that if that shit in the bible actually were true...then your god is a murderer.  Can you fit that simple sentence into your  brain?   Noahs flood, the Israelites, anything you can come up with......the stories in the bible are not reality.  But that aside....if the bible stories were true...then the christian god was clearly a big-time murderer in the OT days.

Well, actually, in the Garden of Eden, after Adam and Eve sinned, and God was walking in the Garden in the cool of the day, guess what form God was walking in, since God is a Spirit? He was walking in the form of a pre-Incarnate Jesus. Whenever you see the term "the Angel of the Lord" in the Old Testament, you are looking at Jesus, Who is God in human form, even though He was not yet born to do His work on the cross.

Yes if you look at how things worked in the OT and the transition to the NT. To your point if a nation slides into depravity to where selfishness personal or otherwise rules, if we see a senerio such as a max thunderdome movie the nation will suffer. However i don't see any "nation" that is any more or less subject to that senerio. We have the final judgement, we also have the kind of judgement that's been going on caused by sin which is broadly dispersed thoughout the world. The final days (whenever that may be) will not involve a nation but mankind in general. Nations are used as well as people but the final plan belongs to God not us 

So, not answering the question regarding what God did during the flood in Noah's time because it is a 'fable' is just a dodge.

Thought so.

Judgment by God is based on reality.

The entire universe was set up as a perpetual motion machine, based on certain universal laws. The basic, number one universal law is, "Love God above all things." The second is, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Only God understands how it works clearly.

Adam and Eve were the first to break these two basic laws. All others follow in their footsteps. The only One who kept these laws was Jesus. He could do so because He was sent by God and with His power. This is also the reason that Jesus could restore the perpetualness of the universe long enough to find out which people are on God's side and which are against God.

People should be destroyed immediately following some "sin" that they do, the first time that they break one of the two universal, basic laws above. They are not destroyed because God has forced love and mercy into the universe through Jesus.

When God waits patiently for a nation to turn to Him, is He wrong in withdrawing His support from them when, after a long time, it becomes evident that they will not accept His support and do what is right? He owns it all! His judgment is done in righteousness and truth, and in long suffering and patience. Those who carry out the destruction of ungodly nations, do so at the command and behest of a righteous God.

God judges the nations according to His conditions. Why? He created it all. It is His right. He is the only One Who can do it justly because He is the only One Who knows what everything is all about - 42. Be afraid. God is the only One Who understands what it is all about. Seek Him and His forgiveness. You will be fully rewarded because He is a God of love.

God's whole idea is to save people for Heaven and eternal life. God has given the nations time to change and to align themselves with Him so that they will be saved. Rather than follow what He attempts to discipline them into, they reject Him. It is THEN that He instructs believers to destroy them, only after the nations will not change.

There are two major benefits to the destroyed nations for their destruction. The first is that, why should they have children that they will train in their ways, so that their children are destroyed as well, and then their children's children?

The second is, why should God let them keep on defying Him. Such defiance will bring punishment in the afterlife. So, if a person in a destroyed nation has built up personal defiance of God for 25 years rather than for 50 years, God will only have 25 years of defiance to punish him for in the afterlife, rather than 50 years. So, God is really doing them a favor by destroying them.

Well, trying to follow this but it seems to be going in circles... anyway if you are trying to discuss something from God or about God and you are using today's dictionary definitions, you are automatically in error...

G1484

ἔθνος

ethnos

eth'-nos

Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

The nation is just a group of people, today's definition is the border that encompasses a nation, God actually doesn't see it that way, he sees it as groups of people, basically families.

You guys touched on abortion for a moment... search the Scriptures and find out what happened to those nations who killed their children... as a practice or a common thing. (not pleasant)

and just because you think you are enlightened, just realize that those people also thought they were enlightened.

And as far as murder goes, the Scriptures also are pretty explicit on what constitutes murder and what does not...

now the great what-if...

if there is a God and you stand in judgment, will you have the correct answers?

Now if you run this backwards, the Scriptures do contain the correct answers...

and how would they do that unless there was a reason.

For a judging...

and if there is a judging, there is a judge.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works

well the Bible actually contains numerous books and you will be judged by what is written in those books...

and catch the word dead... the dead are judged, not the living.
Just like Jesus told the man who said first let me go bury my father and Jesus told him let the dead bury the dead...
so even though you may be breathing, God may consider you already dead.

And even though I do find it fascinating, when you understand all of the prophecies or at least the vast majority of them, who is who and what will be happening and where it will be happening and who is involved and who is not involved... a few more things fall into place and we may be finding out relatively soon whether or not all of this is true.

And sadly there are no mulligans...

and also, I really no longer care... if someone wants to learn, I will teach them all day long, if not, it's not worth my time to argue, so they are on their own and I will not look back.

How hard is it for you to understand that I feel the bible is a book of folk lure..with perhaps some vague truths and other long forgotten lure and some just plain fairy tales.  I really dont give a shit about parsing which is which in the entire book. It is most likely that none of it is pure historical truth.  We cant even agree on how things happened last year when we have it on video, so the odds of a 2000 year old book translated in dozens of languages being "truth" is pretty much zero.

Of course, He does thats why you have series of disease out breaks and terrorist attacks here and there.

God will surely judge the nation because they think they have all they want but not knowing that God is just been patient.