Another way to get credibility is if they are using cgminer or software based on its code is check with
@-ck or @kano and see if either of them have had any dealings with the manufacturer.
Of course it could be some other code or a home grown mining application.
Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 130. (Read 87857 times)
Honestly, this looks like they are trying to ride a scam with fake-DragonMint miner, which is most likely actually a S9.
I want some detailed pictures about the hash boards, controller board and a reliable review by a trusted forum member here, before I believe anything.
I want some detailed pictures about the hash boards, controller board and a reliable review by a trusted forum member here, before I believe anything.
I am ready to help all of us. Just give me the unit for testing. ))
Samson Mow says there is much more to come.
Shitmain's days are numbered.
https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/933455839540649984
Shitmain's days are numbered.
https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/933455839540649984
A few more notes on the youtube video. These notes are not an endorsement.
The driver returning results is BA1.
Results come from three different BA1 devices - 0, 1, and 2, presumably the 3 boards.
Chip numbers as high as 62 are reported, so at minimum there are 3*62 (or 63) = 186 or 189 chips per tube.
(Claimed DM8575 hashrate is 85GH/s/chip; 16TH/85GH = 189 chips)
The elapsed time displayed on the watt meter is 11h18m45s; the slush hashrate graph shows activity from about 22:35 to the end at 9:05, about 10h30m.
The timestamps in the log are consistent with the end time on the slush hashrate graph.
The driver returning results is BA1.
Results come from three different BA1 devices - 0, 1, and 2, presumably the 3 boards.
Chip numbers as high as 62 are reported, so at minimum there are 3*62 (or 63) = 186 or 189 chips per tube.
(Claimed DM8575 hashrate is 85GH/s/chip; 16TH/85GH = 189 chips)
The elapsed time displayed on the watt meter is 11h18m45s; the slush hashrate graph shows activity from about 22:35 to the end at 9:05, about 10h30m.
The timestamps in the log are consistent with the end time on the slush hashrate graph.
Spoondolies gave SP20s to about 10 to 15 people, and I was one of them. Anyway, I sent them an email, I'll let you guys know what their reply is, if any.
My point exactly.Newbs come across some typically Pay-for-Placement PR blurb on any number of 'news' sites and where is one of the first places they head to next to ask about it?
Here.
And here, first reaction is: Knowledgeable folks here take a peak, generally get a good laugh and then leave said Vaporware site a bit saddened someone could think it is even plausible much less real.
*IF* plausible then next step is The Prove It Is Real Mantra. Fail it and then yes I and many others declare SCAM! Considering the millions if $ it takes to bring a miner to market, the cost of a few demo units is insignificant when starting a new brand.
this is all you need you know when it comes to new builders of gear.
Spoondolies gave SP20s to about 10 to 15 people, and I was one of them. Anyway, I sent them an email, I'll let you guys know what their reply is, if any.
My point exactly.Newbs come across some typically Pay-for-Placement PR blurb on any number of 'news' sites and where is one of the first places they head to next to ask about it?
Here.
And here, first reaction is: Knowledgeable folks here take a peek, generally get a good laugh and then leave said Vaporware site a bit saddened someone could think it is even plausible much less real.
*IF* plausible then next step is The Prove It Is Real Mantra. Fail it and then yes I and many others declare SCAM! Considering the millions of $ it takes to bring a miner to market, the cost of a few demo units is insignificant when starting a new brand.
Spoondolies gave SP20s to about 10 to 15 people, and I was one of them. Anyway, I sent them an email, I'll let you guys know what their reply is, if any.
Far far better would be them having at least one on a shelf somewhere running 24x7 that we can look at. Case in point my 3 stick loto miners at -ck's solo pool. Be it 'one of their lab' machines or whatever, have it running so we can check it.
Instant verifiable by anyone proof of *something* (but not necessarily said Unicorn miner) mining to that address and its current hashrates.
That in itself blows the snot out of any recorded video or screen shots.
Instant verifiable by anyone proof of *something* (but not necessarily said Unicorn miner) mining to that address and its current hashrates.
That in itself blows the snot out of any recorded video or screen shots.
For some odd reason, I got a feeling it is an S9 that we are looking at. It just looks too alike.
The 16TH number on the website could be an S9 plus other unseen miners, say two S5. That adds up to about 16TH right? Does it show it was only 1 machine?
Also, sometimes it just shows a far higher number in the pool on a miner for first couple of mins. Thats the case for me for some miners too.
What u guys think?
The 16TH number on the website could be an S9 plus other unseen miners, say two S5. That adds up to about 16TH right? Does it show it was only 1 machine?
Also, sometimes it just shows a far higher number in the pool on a miner for first couple of mins. Thats the case for me for some miners too.
What u guys think?
And some questions have arisen about the validity of the performance of the machine, if you watch the frames starting at 0:31s and ending 0:33s in the video you can see that the hash rate is 4TH but then on frame at 0:32s that line is edited out of the frame, and then it switches to slush "screenshot" at 0:33s.
Share Submission Rate is Plausible
The log lines we see cover the interval
[2017-11-22 09:08:10.720] to [2017-11-22 09:08:38.904], or 18.2 seconds.
We can see 15 share accepted messages during that interval, or about 50 shares per minute.
The pool difficulty is 4948. This means each 25 shares per minute corresponds to 4948*1.79GH/s (see -ck's post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/suggestion-for-how-to-choose-a-pool-difficulty-for-miners-274023).
So we have 50/25*4948*1.79 = 17.7TH/s.
Since we observed 15 events the std dev is about 3.8 and we can say that the hash rate likely lies between 13TH/s and 22TH/s.
Ja! As I wrote in The Prove You Are Real Mantra a real miner manufacturer would or at least should jump at the chance of getting instant Proof of existence via hands-on reviews done by folks with unquestionable repute here.
How the company runs things, handles volume production and customers is another story but at least proving the maker does really exist and have working product is a damn good start.
No matter what it puts an end to all this 'are xxx real?' speculation that just serves to suck in the rubes who have not learned what to look for in an unknown company popping up.
What you did for the pangolian miners is another prime example of going from highly questionable to at least being proven to exist and work as-advertised. Above that, being a viable miner given right power prices. eBang's eBit miners were another.
How the company runs things, handles volume production and customers is another story but at least proving the maker does really exist and have working product is a damn good start.
No matter what it puts an end to all this 'are xxx real?' speculation that just serves to suck in the rubes who have not learned what to look for in an unknown company popping up.
What you did for the pangolian miners is another prime example of going from highly questionable to at least being proven to exist and work as-advertised. Above that, being a viable miner given right power prices. eBang's eBit miners were another.
Looks like their first batch has been sold out - https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t/ . No more orders
or perhaps the 1 day sale preorders have been sold out and the orders will resume tomorrow for 245 more.
or perhaps the 1 day sale preorders have been sold out and the orders will resume tomorrow for 245 more.
Based on my order number they took in a minimum of ~360BTC assuming 100% payment rate.
nice 360 x 8200 = just under 3 million
here is the deal if it is real it is marginally better then the s-9
not a lot just a bit.
16 th vs 13 th
1600 watts vs 1400 watts
and you wait until late march to get it.---- and you can safely bet your left nut or right ovary it will come later.
My offer to the company is send me one now. I will review it and run it in the solar array
just like I run the one from pangolian. see videos on the pangolian (seller's company not miners name)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-K1Sokgy3-4CdV_uZF8ubw?view_as=subscriber
the miner does make money at the moment.
no one in their right mind should have sent money for goods coming in march that are not really 15% better then an s-9
Hi
My reasons to believe this website is a scam.
1- The site is registered on Nov 11, 2017 and today is 23rd nov. Very new site.
2. There is no contact address or phone no.
3. Their social media accounts are comment blocked.
There is no news about a 16 th machine. if they create something, like this its a big news.
https://twitter.com/MrHodl/status/933364901455843328
My reasons to believe this website is a scam.
1- The site is registered on Nov 11, 2017 and today is 23rd nov. Very new site.
2. There is no contact address or phone no.
3. Their social media accounts are comment blocked.
There is no news about a 16 th machine. if they create something, like this its a big news.
https://twitter.com/MrHodl/status/933364901455843328
$30 million invested, but the website is only 13 days old? what else do you really need to say about a company who comes up out of nowhere. good luck
The specs state 1205W DC consumption and 1432W at the wall. That's 84%, but their power supply specs say 92%. Either they don't have their PSUs on hand yet, they only hit 92% efficiency under very different load conditions, or 1205W doesn't include the cooling fans.
If 1205W is accurate, a DPS-2980AB will run about 2550W at the wall for two of them, which is 0.079J/GHash.
If 1205W is accurate, a DPS-2980AB will run about 2550W at the wall for two of them, which is 0.079J/GHash.
I don't think 1205W does include the fans. The specs list 100W consumption for the fans separately. For comparison the S9 fans are 50W at 100%.
I should add that all the posters in this thread pointing out scam warning flags are absolutely right and you shouldn't place an order for these miners if losing the money would be a disaster for you.
Hi
My reasons to believe this website is a scam.
1- The site is registered on Nov 11, 2017 and today is 23rd nov. Very new site.
2. There is no contact address or phone no.
3. Their social media accounts are comment blocked.
There is no news about a 16 th machine. if they create something, like this its a big news.
https://twitter.com/MrHodl/status/933364901455843328
My reasons to believe this website is a scam.
1- The site is registered on Nov 11, 2017 and today is 23rd nov. Very new site.
2. There is no contact address or phone no.
3. Their social media accounts are comment blocked.
There is no news about a 16 th machine. if they create something, like this its a big news.
https://twitter.com/MrHodl/status/933364901455843328
Looks like their first batch has been sold out - https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t/ . No more orders
or perhaps the 1 day sale preorders have been sold out and the orders will resume tomorrow for 245 more.
or perhaps the 1 day sale preorders have been sold out and the orders will resume tomorrow for 245 more.
Based on my order number they took in a minimum of ~360BTC assuming 100% payment rate.
Looks like their first batch has been sold out - https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t/ . No more orders
or perhaps the 1 day sale preorders have been sold out and the orders will resume tomorrow for 245 more.
or perhaps the 1 day sale preorders have been sold out and the orders will resume tomorrow for 245 more.
I Pulled the trigger on an ASIC pre-order for the first time in about four years. Also ordered two of their power supplies for tear-down and efficiency measurement.
Anyone gonna run an order tracking thread on this, or am I stuck in 2013 thinking that's a thing?
Notes and thoughts -
The controller board and hashboards don't match S9 or T9. There are a lot of similarities, of course, but they are easily distinguished beyond simple mirroring. The hashboard ribbon cables have the same number of connectors, however.
The specs state 1205W DC consumption and 1432W at the wall. That's 84%, but their power supply specs say 92%. Either they don't have their PSUs on hand yet, they only hit 92% efficiency under very different load conditions, or 1205W doesn't include the cooling fans.
If 1205W is accurate, a DPS-2980AB will run about 2550W at the wall for two of them, which is 0.079J/GHash.
Anyone gonna run an order tracking thread on this, or am I stuck in 2013 thinking that's a thing?
Notes and thoughts -
The controller board and hashboards don't match S9 or T9. There are a lot of similarities, of course, but they are easily distinguished beyond simple mirroring. The hashboard ribbon cables have the same number of connectors, however.
The specs state 1205W DC consumption and 1432W at the wall. That's 84%, but their power supply specs say 92%. Either they don't have their PSUs on hand yet, they only hit 92% efficiency under very different load conditions, or 1205W doesn't include the cooling fans.
If 1205W is accurate, a DPS-2980AB will run about 2550W at the wall for two of them, which is 0.079J/GHash.
All that should need to be said is The Prove You are Real Mantra:
a. Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage to show the general public you at least built something. As in pictures of it hooked up and running at the shows. There are several large Crypto-coin/Bitcoin trade shows/conventions held each year all around the world. Attend a few and prove yourselves.
b. Start an official thread here for announcements and LEGIT press coverage links -- NOT links to what are really unverified ads on Pay-for-Placement 'news' sites.
c. Solicit very-well known reputable users here to do a review of it. There are several here with recent reviews of new gear from an unknown company. A good example is Haggsfin's review of the Whatsminer M3.
The usual conditions: Either contact them or if the reviewer contacts them 1st, then either send it to them gratis or an escrowed pay-for before sending. The reviewer then does an unbiased yay/nay/meh review of it with pictures,screenshots, reported hash rates both on the miner GUI and at a pool that allows looking at the worker in action. Power measurements of course required and preferably db level as well. After a week or 2 of testing the reviewer will then either return it (and if used, escrow payment is returned) or if they really like it - pay for the one they were sent.
Until the above happens - they shall forever remain Vaporware and probable scam.
YouTube vids by unknown people and taken at unknown times are mostly useless. Vids by folks here with excellent Trust and high-rank -- far better and trustworthy.
Very simple to do and in all countries I am aware of the cost of a miner maker doing this should be part of their Marketing budget. In other words a tax write-off.
a. Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage to show the general public you at least built something. As in pictures of it hooked up and running at the shows. There are several large Crypto-coin/Bitcoin trade shows/conventions held each year all around the world. Attend a few and prove yourselves.
b. Start an official
c. Solicit very-well known reputable users here to do a review of it. There are several here with recent reviews of new gear from an unknown company. A good example is Haggsfin's review of the Whatsminer M3.
The usual conditions: Either contact them or if the reviewer contacts them 1st, then either send it to them gratis or an escrowed pay-for before sending. The reviewer then does an unbiased yay/nay/meh review of it with pictures,screenshots, reported hash rates both on the miner GUI and at a pool that allows looking at the worker in action. Power measurements of course required and preferably db level as well. After a week or 2 of testing the reviewer will then either return it (and if used, escrow payment is returned) or if they really like it - pay for the one they were sent.
Until the above happens - they shall forever remain Vaporware and probable scam.
YouTube vids by unknown people and taken at unknown times are mostly useless. Vids by folks here with excellent Trust and high-rank -- far better and trustworthy.
Very simple to do and in all countries I am aware of the cost of a miner maker doing this should be part of their Marketing budget. In other words a tax write-off.
A word of advice:
If its scam: we loose money
If its real: we loose money, because bitmain will immediately release new version of s9 with better specs and price
unfortunately bitmain is the king...
If its scam: we loose money
If its real: we loose money, because bitmain will immediately release new version of s9 with better specs and price
unfortunately bitmain is the king...
I agree, if this isn't a scam it is very likely that Bitmain will undercut them at the best time. But honestly, this is fine, this means competition. Bitmain will probably have to seriously undercut them for many people, who are pissed off at them, to continue buying faulty, poorly supported product.
I mean, Bitmain doesn't even accept BTC... As far as I'm concerned that is bs, forcing me to buy BCH. They really did a good job tarnishing their brand.
Yes, orders only if you pay in BCH, so, here I'm selling my alt-coins to buy BCH.
I'm going to buy S9 instead of this new miner, just for sure.
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