Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 49. (Read 87857 times)

That's correct. I had a confirmation email already, it should come this week sometime.

Just got back from an easter party had read access only.

tired  drove 220 miles round trip for easter dinner .

Would have liked  people to be more cautious buying from them , but to each their own.

It appears they are better then the s-9 somewhat.

maybe

 15.1th  1489 watts  T1
 13.9th  1460 watts s-9

I can't do any testing


I want to mention the Avalon  gui  looks like bitmain gui  

The dragonmint ti pcb heat sinks and fans  look like bitmain s-9
The dragonmint controller is very much like the innosilcion.


 If the t1  does  15.1th  at 1489 watt and does not break much

It is better the the s-9 doing 13.9th at 1460 watts  breaking a lot.


but actually the avalon 841   doing 13,575 at 1350 watts  on a 1400 watt psu with a 2 year warranty may be the best of these three.

I really want to use a delta 2400 watt plat psu.

    I think all three would give the correct power use  a lot better on that psu.

The people  spending cash  whether for 1, 10 ,100 or 1000 machines  deserve some idea of what they are paying for.

Hint (Halong) send me the sample already.  You sold enough  that  even if you fail  to do 16000 by 1400 you made money.

It is obvious you  got bitmain's attention  they under cut you like mad and crashed btc just to put  a hurt on you.

Well  maybe I will get a tracking number on Monday.

What is funny for me, is that I feel that they got angry after I pointed that the control board pcb is very very similar to the Inno one,
instead of just being calm and explaining everybody how the situation is.

When their competitor can sell asics as low as 315 USD due to having high volume, they will always be toasters compared to the competitors price unless the competitor can make something much more efficient and sell at huge enough volumes so that it can be priced cheaply enough. Then, perhaps they can win market share. It seems impossible though. I think bitmain took this threat too seriously and flooded the market with cheap sha256 miners.


Think about it. If new competitor sells a product that is slightly more efficient, bitmain straights away sells theirs far cheaper on a PER TH BASIS. This increases mining difficulty greatly. Competitor has to lower price of their asic OR those asics become "expensive slightly-more-efficient toasters" as u put it. Competitors cant lower price much because they sell at lower volumes. Bitmain maintains their dominant position. Bitmain wins some as they sell more machines than usual, and make money, though at lower margins. More importantly,they PREVENT competitor from selling high volumes of product. Bitmain's own mining business takes a hit in profitability due to higher mining difficulty but this sacrifice is needed to keep market share. The new competitor is priced out of the market as they cannot sell asics at a low enough price to compete. All other miners lose alot of profit due to higher mining difficulty. I dont get why some of u want competition here. If halong lowers price aggressively, bitmain will lower price and flood coupons again. It will devalue all previous miners u just bought and it will mean higher difficulty and lower mining profitability for everyone and if they keep doing this enough, your S9 will be a D3, a machine that didnt break even for anyone, even if u mine with free electricity. U can now get an S9 for abit above a 1000 USD if u use a cheap -350 or -420 coupon bought at marketplace. The power doesnt lie in just having a slightly better asic. It lies in the amount of volume and price that a good asic can be sold at and having a good asic.


So, right now bitmain's new pricing has made halong asics bought at higher 2k-ish prices toasters. They have also made S9s previously sold at 2k-ish toasters (thank god I bought mine at 1.5kish last year). And if halong pushes the price down to fight bitmain, I bet bitmain will make new S9s cheaper in order to make the new batch of halong T1 into toasters..and in the process make their previous S9 batch toasters too haha.
So, how many of u are fond of toasters?

I don't have an A5 to compare to, didn't realise Innosilicon had changed their UI to be so much closer to the Antminer S5 UI - which I STILL maintain is more likely to be the ORIGINAL model for that UI (or perhaps something even older out of Bitmain, since I didn't own anything before the S5 from them).

I'm not questioning the possibility of Innosilicon being involved (nothing new in THAT corporate history as I've pointed out), though I'd think they'd be more likely to be involved at the CHIP level than the MINER DESIGN level.


I'm also wondering if the chips involved are a next-generation upgrade from the announced but "never made it into a miner" Innosilicon A3 chips....

Are they going to send you a free unit, like they are sending to Philip?

I've gotten in touch with Halong and they've agreed to send me a T1 sometime this week for review. I'll have more details and a review when the unit arrives and I get it check it out.

As some of you may remember my previous post, I'm a fairly old school mining enthusiast that has ordered offerings from a good chunk of the well known mining manufacturers. I look forward to reviewing my experience with Halong

I can say such "nonsense", because the only pool being marketed at this point is Slush. Not -ck's pool. And, being auto set to Slush, right out of the box, points new users in the same direction. Every single media report you find is about Dragonmint and Slush. Then you have the Slush Corporate Committee Advertising "The 1st pool to support overt AsicBoost", leading users to connect with familiarity. There is no Media Hype about any other pools, -ck's included. Yes, we here are aware of -ck's involvement, and his work within this community.

However, this information about -ck's involvement, and his pool's ability to run these Dragonmint's are NOT mentioned in the
obvious media campaign, being pushed by Halongmining and Slush's Corporate Committee. The direct result of this will be, users
who do not know any better, will all Flood to Slush. In turn, this will lead to my "nonsense" Centralization.  By the time other pools
have access to implement AsicBoost, it will have already begun. -ck's pool has access and is currently supporting,  where are the
reports of the blocks found with asicboost at his pool??? New users will flock to Slush, like Moths to a Flame. Exactly as intended
to, in which I made reference to, by Halongmining releasing these to vloggers VS. Mining Veterans.

The product that brakes current one-company-monopoly on ASIC miners "pushes towards centralization"?!? How can you say such a nonsense? Once enough hashing power leaves HalongMining production line other pools will race to support this new hardware. Several pools doing it right out of the box, thanks to CK's work, is enough that you even today have a choice of a pool.

Indeed glorified. All of the hype is centered around "asicboost", and Halongmining's use of the terms; "more efficient" and "New".
They are even leading buyers into the IDEA of Decentralization. So how exactly are any of these terms truthful???

The Dragonmint MAY become more efficient, IF the firmware can be squeezed to a stable version. We all know that
"asicboost" is not New, and the fact it only works on a couple of compatible pools only pushes towards Centralization.
Then, there is the cookie cutter pcb, that at best, is very misleading of WHO actually makes this product.

Halongmining's LACK of communication with consumers is very troubling. Everything you can dig up points directly to Hype.
This Hype is keeping the Money Boat afloat, at this moment. Though there may be units being delivered, and plugged in, most people
receiving them, are "standard" users that can do just that: Plug it in.

It would seem, they are AVOIDING users who are more knowledgeable about miners. Why not send them out to people like
phillipma, or HagssFIN,  before a vlogger???  To help spread the Hype of release, or to hide the fact the units DO NOT WORK AS
ADVERTISED??? Yes, they work. Do they work as Advertised???

Halongmining has avoided every single path that leads to customer support, and follow every path directly to the Bank. They've said,
their silence was because of the secret nature of their cash cow: AsicBoost. Where are they now???

But have they? because right now, they're just glorified toasters......energy efficient toasters.......but toasters.

Yeah I agree 100% that in the end it is those things that matter.

Personally I don't care who makes them for Halong, as long as they are affordable, perform close to spec and are reliable.

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@QuintLeo

Halong has reskinned the graphic user interface in their latest version.

The first version of the DragonMint graphic user interface was exactly like in the current generation Innosilicon miners.

Have you seen these comparisons I have made earlier?

Graphic user interface comparison: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31724407
Control board comparison: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33484292

I think the reason why offordscott has zoomed in the miner status page view might be that he doesn't want the logo "INNOSILICON" be visible in the picture.

That looks almost IDENTICAL to the Bitmain UI on the S5 miners I used to have and almost NOTHING like the interface on my Innosilicon A2 miners.

Not saying the HARDWARE does or does not have a lot of Innosilicon input or influence, but that UI don't look like Innosilicon at all.



As far as the Dragonmint unit managing over 16 TH in their video, my first guess would be "cherry-picked unit".

Most gold/platinum/titanium rated power supplies don't lose much efficiency from 50% to full load - 3% ballpark is pretty common, sometimes LESS sometimes a bit more.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/SuperNOVA_G2_1300/5.html (table at the bottom of the page) for an example - drops from almost 93% at 40% load to a hair over 90 at full rated load or a hair under 90 at 110% of rated load.

Room temps at 21-27 degrees celcius is good. U should not need to adjust them and 21 should be better. I see. The T1 can work better or worse than the S9 depending on luck. It is making me wonder how they made that demo vid with 16th and 1460watts.

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Try the bitmain psu with controller and two boards
Try the Halong psu with controller and two boards
Lastly try the Evga psu with controller and two boards.

In those three cases the three psus will have good overhead

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The wattage and Hashrate numbers you quoted are accurate but how it was paired up may have been wrong.

Here are TH/s & wattage for 4 rigs I am looking at right now:
 #1: 15.15TH/s @ 1647w (Myrig PSU). 108.71w per TH
 #2: 15.42TH/s @ 1586w (Myrig PSU). 102.85w per TH
 #3: 15.51TH/s @ 1477w (Myrig PSU). 95.23w per TH
 #4: 15.24Th/s @1680w (EVGA 1600 G2). 110.24 TH

Hashrate is fairly stable when raising room temps from 70 degrees F to 80 degrees F
Wattage is taken from APC AP8641 PDU display on #1, 2, & 3. Wall outlet meter being used on #4

board temps range from 66-75 degrees, not sure why so much variance from one rig to the next but hopefully new firmware will improve power consumption and hashrate.

I just swapped out rig #1 Myrig PSU with Bitmain 1600watt PSU and saw no improvement in numbers. Wish I had some larger PSU's and try what Phil suggested.

Rig #5 is at home and I ran it in a much cooler room temp over night to see what would happen and the hash rate dropped from 15.40 TH/s to below 13.0TH/s. EDIT: I warmed up the room and happy to report it is hashing 16.3 TH/s on slush
EDIT 2: Hashrate back down to 14.50TH/s

ok ..thanks for the clarification....so pool wise from what I gather it is 'Slush' or a pool that supports asicboost in their manner or you are SOL... that seems a bit

pre-meditated....in how they originally promoted their hash rate w/o mentioning this asic boost angle in detail (or how I seem to remember such)

again .thanks for the clarification (crypto always drama!)

brad

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They will refuse to connect to a pool unless they support AB. If the miner code is modified to allow them to point to a non-AB pool, only 1/4 of the hashes are valid. I've explained before but people seem to not believe me - they do NOT run without asicboost active; they do not have the switching hardware required to enable/disable it in the T1. It is mandatory.

Additionally shitcoin cash has nothing to do with this - there isn't a single shitcoin cash pool that supports overt asicboost as far as I'm aware. You're mixing up covert hidden asicboost which only works now on shitcoin cash from overt asicboost which works everywhere, provided the pool supports it.