DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 88.

philipma1957

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Quote from: Sandal_Hat on January 15, 2018, 11:31:04 PM

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 14, 2018, 10:15:42 PM

Well at least it does seem real. and maybe I will get some for april.

I will post a review and a youtube if I can get them.

It is supposed to be a different chip and be more efficient . 75- 80 days and we will find out.

For the first time since they announced... I feel at ease about it. I hope to get some in April as well. Can't wait to see some reviews and folks actually hashing with them. Despite all the madness and heartburn in this thread... one thing is for certain: the competition in this market is desperately needed, and for that reason along I'd support these guys.

Bitmain warranty aka myrig.com. Is one of two reasons that I still use asics.

I only have 3 s9s,

I have no other asics. Myrig has done multiple repairs with decent service.

I have a lot of gpus far more then my s9s.
I think I need to send in two dead s9 boards this week.
1 from a new 14th miner

1 from a old batch 1 miner.

And I may have lost a full s9 at the solar array

Which would mean 5 dead boards and four good boards. Of the three I have left.

I thought u had a good amount of S9s running for over a year plus with minimal issues?

Hmm still unsure of halong. In any case, if halong/bitmain/ebit/avalon churn out bitcoin miners this year, difficulty is going to go through the roof. Btc isnt likely to rise 14x from this price like it did in 2017. That price increase kept mining profitable. At current 220 billion mkt cap at 13k usd per btc, a 14x increase would mean bitcoin needs to be 182k per bitcoin...in a year. The mkt cap would then be 3080 billion. That just isnt happening in a year for bitcoin, imo. Bitcoin mining may not be so good this year if this churning occurs.

Btc mining profitability just dropped like 30-40% compared from its month ago peak...and that is without halong and the stronger new units of avalon.

Just my 2 cents

i have two batch ones one fully works

One is down to one board

And a dec tenth

14 th with 2 good boards

Six good boards one three units

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 12:47:25 AM

Quote from: vegascoinpool on January 14, 2018, 10:28:35 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 14, 2018, 10:15:42 PM

Well at least it does seem real. and maybe I will get some for april.

I will post a review and a youtube if I can get them.

It is supposed to be a different chip and be more efficient . 75- 80 days and we will find out.

For the first time since they announced... I feel at ease about it. I hope to get some in April as well. Can't wait to see some reviews and folks actually hashing with them. Despite all the madness and heartburn in this thread... one thing is for certain: the competition in this market is desperately needed, and for that reason along I'd support these guys.

Bitmain warranty aka myrig.com. Is one of two reasons that I still use asics.

I only have 3 s9s,

I have no other asics. Myrig has done multiple repairs with decent service.

I have a lot of gpus far more then my s9s.
I think I need to send in two dead s9 boards this week.
1 from a new 14th miner

1 from a old batch 1 miner.

And I may have lost a full s9 at the solar array

Which would mean 5 dead boards and four good boards. Of the three I have left.

I thought u had a good amount of S9s running for over a year plus with minimal issues?

Hmm still unsure of halong. In any case, if halong/bitmain/ebit/avalon churn out bitcoin miners this year, difficulty is going to go through the roof. Btc isnt likely to rise 14x from this price like it did in 2017. That price increase kept mining profitable. At current 220 billion mkt cap at 13k usd per btc, a 14x increase would mean bitcoin needs to be 182k per bitcoin...in a year. The mkt cap would then be 3080 billion. That just isnt happening in a year for bitcoin, imo. Bitcoin mining may not be so good this year if this churning occurs.

Btc mining profitability just dropped like 30-40% compared from its month ago peak...and that is without halong and the stronger new units of avalon.

Just my 2 cents

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: kryptolarz on January 15, 2018, 05:47:22 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 05:39:32 PM

well guys you can always do what I did go 80-20

80 = gpus
20 = asics.

I am getting a demo rig on weds day 13 gpus in a sealed case. A german builder.
I will do a demo and compare it to some of my diy gpu builds.

I just wish asic builders were a bit more approachable then they are.

I buy steady and often been doing this since 2012. I don't plunge in with both feet anymore.

What I would really like to see is for asic builders to sell the chips once in a while. Does not happen often.

Could you mention who this German builder is? Does he do orders?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 05:39:32 PM

well guys you can always do what I did go 80-20

80 = gpus
20 = asics.

I am getting a demo rig on weds day 13 gpus in a sealed case. A german builder.
I will do a demo and compare it to some of my diy gpu builds.

I just wish asic builders were a bit more approachable then they are.

I buy steady and often been doing this since 2012. I don't plunge in with both feet anymore.

What I would really like to see is for asic builders to sell the chips once in a while. Does not happen often.

Could you mention who this German builder is? Does he do orders?

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

well guys you can always do what I did go 80-20

80 = gpus
20 = asics.

I am getting a demo rig on weds day 13 gpus in a sealed case. A german builder.
I will do a demo and compare it to some of my diy gpu builds.

I just wish asic builders were a bit more approachable then they are.

I buy steady and often been doing this since 2012. I don't plunge in with both feet anymore.

What I would really like to see is for asic builders to sell the chips once in a while. Does not happen often.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on January 15, 2018, 04:38:07 PM

Anyone else remember the A1 Dragon Miner from Innosilicon???

It looks more and more like 2013-14 all over again! I know Notwarmfuzzy remembers them!!!!

Yeah, it did not end up so well with the AMT / Bitmine.ch project Sad

Hopefully this DragonMint project goes on better.

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I wonder if MyRig would offer hosting for the DragonMint miner when and if they start to be sold. They've done that for most of the miners they sold and I'd probably be down for a unit or two if hosting is available.

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Anyone else remember the A1 Dragon Miner from Innosilicon???

It looks more and more like 2013-14 all over again! I know Notwarmfuzzy remembers them!!!!

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Quote from: dimaze on January 15, 2018, 04:01:29 PM

Manufacturers often collaborate on projects. Intel and AMD have worked and continue to work together, automotive manufacturers, ect. Knowledge is truly power. Glad to see the MyRig partnership was announced!

Keep us in the loop as you can Scott

You cannot lie. Intel and AMD working togehter: It sounds wrong, but its true Wink

But you are right. Inno has a perfect infrastructure and another partner is not in the need of the dev work.
They just can conentrate of the chip design (hopefull).
And Inno can have a benefits on it - they are maybe not selling parts only - but knowledge.
And they will stay concentrated on their chip design.

It will stay interesting the next time.

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Manufacturers often collaborate on projects. Intel and AMD have worked and continue to work together, automotive manufacturers, ect. Knowledge is truly power. Glad to see the MyRig partnership was announced!

Keep us in the loop as you can Scott

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 01:24:33 PM

I think Innosilicon is involved in this project.

Totally serious question.

What advantage would Innosilicon get from "partnering" with another mining manufacturer?

If they are providing all the intellectual knowledge, design, implementation, etc. what do they get out of it?

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Quote from: merv77 on January 15, 2018, 01:15:03 PM

Quote from: dlezama on January 15, 2018, 12:59:27 PM

Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:04:18 AM

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd

We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg

Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

OMG, just what we needed.

Don't forget that this is China. It would be rocket science to reverse engineer (copy.. cough.. cough) and change some of the design and walla, you own board.

You didn't notice the detail that I mentioned earlier in this thread. It also has the exact same miner web configuration user interface, so it has the same software as the Innosilicon A4+ and A5.

I think Innosilicon is involved in this project.

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Quote from: dlezama on January 15, 2018, 12:59:27 PM

Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:04:18 AM

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd

We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg

Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

OMG, just what we needed.

Don't forget that this is China. It would be rocket science to reverse engineer (copy.. cough.. cough) and change some of the design and walla, you own board.

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:04:18 AM

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd

We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg

Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

OMG, just what we needed.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 09:24:54 AM

Quote from: The Demon Slick on January 15, 2018, 09:15:20 AM

Does anybody else think the company's stated goal of decentralization is inconsistent with a 5 piece minimum order? Or does it just seem that way to me as a nooby noob?

Well I could make a very long list of mistakes the builder did.

I won't do that. As moq's of 5 not too bad you need a partner. I been doing this a long time. Buying 1 unit is not smart as the gear breaks. So to have 2 or 3 units allows for switching out and blending the gear.

A 1300-1400 watt at the plug miner is not for home use. It is hot and loud you need a place for them. Having a few will help a lot.

Having 1 piece not so much.

Based on its size they could have done moq's of 4 and fit them in a bigger box. the one below for instance would fit 4 units in boxes like the s-9 are in. I know this as I have sold sets of 4 S-7s packed in this box.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Classic-Large-Heavy-Duty-Cardboard-Moving-Box-Actual-24-in-x-18-in/50098526

Well of course I'd love to have 5, but I'm planning to trickle all my btc earnings back into more machines, slowly, grow without going out on a limb. I just don't have that much extra to plow into it. I had the spare bedroom wired up w/4 220 outlets, and I have one bad investment limping along already. Hopefully another, healthier machine will arrive in March. I'll probably buy again in May and who knows what's going to happen between now and then, 3 months ago eth was 300! It's a guesstimate, always.
Cheers!

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:04:18 AM

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd

We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg

Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

And another design comparison here (pay attention to the controller with this image as well): https://i.imgur.com/a9sZcJa.jpg

I surely can't be the only one who sees these similiar design details?

One detail to also pay attention is that the Innosilicon control board uses reversed PWM signal for the cooling fan control.
This method is not that commonly used.
Delta TFC1212DE are cooling fans that are controlled with a reversed PWM signal.
DragonMint and Innosilicon A4+, A5 miners use these cooling fans.
This detail also supports my theory.

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:27:13 AM

Ah, okay just wait a second...

Oh, but I forgot they have a complete closed source policy. No can do.

I asked Innosilicon earlier if they are involved, but surprise surprise, they didn't answer me.

This would be really an important piece of information, if you can proof that this green board IS 100% INNOSILICON.
Hmmm ... yeah ... if they would be not involved, they would say: NO (why not) Wink

Yes, I maybe believe it now more then not. They maybe are involved or at least delivering some parts Grin

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Ah, okay just wait a second...

Oh, but I forgot they have a complete closed source policy. No can do.

I asked Innosilicon earlier if they are involved, but surprise surprise, they didn't answer me.

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:17:43 AM

@QuestionQuest
Why are you defending them time after time?

The Innosilicon control board is not something like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone Black is. It is not a universal small computer board.

It is definitely the Innosilicon control board and Innosilicon is involved in this. How much, I can't say for sure.

You have a link or source showing this part as an innosilicon part/prototype/patent number?
Maybe you are right and you know more, but a loft of manufacturers dont build the own boards.
I dont know if Inno is doing, therefor I did not saw it ever.
They maybe just buying the same boards, like the same case, like the same power connectors and a similar or same powersupply.

I believe you that you know more in this point, but please show me a proof like the patent number or building history etc. why you know this piece of green board is 100% from the manufacturing halls of Innosilicon or at least from the drafts of them.

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I also now realised why promojo said this to me earlier in this thread.

Quote from: promojo on December 18, 2017, 12:08:50 PM

Quote from: HagssFIN on December 18, 2017, 12:07:37 PM

400x267 pixels picture. Really?

Yup because guys like you can't go zooming in. You can clearly tell its not an S9.... Wait til the video/pictures come out. Cheers.

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