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Quote from: ajiz138 on March 25, 2024, 02:22:23 PM

Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.

Remember this is my own assumption how casinos in the future will require your identity.

Yes this is very true all centralized things are sooner or later gonna implement KYC back then Only a few CEX implemented KYC but now there is so much and almost all Centralized Exchanges are mandatory to do KYC.

Because crypto now is super popular and highly regulated in some countries Casinos or Exchange that are related to crypto would be asked by the government to do KYC for one or two reasons like anti money laundry services

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Quote from: ajiz138 on March 25, 2024, 02:22:23 PM

Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.

Casinos and exchanges (centralized platforms) are the same.

They will not do KYC if they are not scam and abuse KYC card to steal user money.
They will not do KYC if they are not forced to do this by existing regulations in countries where they have their business licenses.

As users, we can not avoid KYC if they add KYC to their Terms of Service, AML procedure. So we have to avoid to store big money on any platform if we know about this risk and don't want to KYC.

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts

KYC is not a bad term from a platform if they do it because of national, regional regulation but to avoid unwanted troubles, don't store all or big fund on any centralized platform is a golden rule for yourself.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on March 24, 2024, 03:35:25 PM

Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

In a way I can understand that gamblers want to keep some of their privacy with the use of VPNs, but while this could have been possible years ago, this is no feasible anymore.

So either gamblers accept this fact or stop gambling altogether, as casinos with the increase on the number of customers, they have attracted the attention of regulators, and now they have to implement policies to identify their clients and keep track of their identities, something that I am sure not even casinos like, but they have to agree with that in order to get their casino license.

Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.

Remember this is my own assumption how casinos in the future will require your identity.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on March 24, 2024, 11:25:49 AM

The major reasons why casinos do not allow use of VPNs is;
1. They are used by many abusers and multiaccounts to register and claim welcome bonuses
2. They are used by players from banned countries

In most cases, very few people with good intentions would use a VPN on a casino they know can ask for KYC verification at any time. If someone really values they privacy very much, then there is no reason they should be registering in a centralized casino in the first place.

I don't know what else to say after reading the two main reasons people use VPN because in my opinion the use of VPN is for these two reasons, although I have no right to claim without any basis.

That's why I oppose using a VPN to respect privacy even though playing by complying with existing provisions is better for comfort.
If our casino rules include people coming from prohibited countries, forcing ourselves to play using a VPN won't be good either.

The mentioned situation is good reason why VPN has been discourage to use since there are people take advantage on situation by using that tool. But there are ways for casino to detect multi accounting that's why they are now open for usage of VPN as long as the user is not using this for bypassing banned region on their casino which has been discussed for multiple times. I myself like to use VPN on some cases since it make us safe especially if we are in public areas. But much better if we not use it if there's no threat or anything that can bother us since maybe a casino will be trigger to verify if we are the real user of the account if there are always changes on IP or anything that can they think suspicious happening on our account.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on March 24, 2024, 11:25:49 AM

The major reasons why casinos do not allow use of VPNs is;
1. They are used by many abusers and multiaccounts to register and claim welcome bonuses
2. They are used by players from banned countries

In most cases, very few people with good intentions would use a VPN on a casino they know can ask for KYC verification at any time. If someone really values they privacy very much, then there is no reason they should be registering in a centralized casino in the first place.

I don't know what else to say after reading the two main reasons people use VPN because in my opinion the use of VPN is for these two reasons, although I have no right to claim without any basis.

That's why I oppose using a VPN to respect privacy even though playing by complying with existing provisions is better for comfort.
If our casino rules include people coming from prohibited countries, forcing ourselves to play using a VPN won't be good either.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on March 24, 2024, 03:35:25 PM

Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

If the casino allows the use of VPNs, none of their users should experience problems with their accounts because of their use, I mean honest players because it cannot be denied that allowing the use of VPNs can be abused by their users who cheat to create multiple accounts because they want to abuse deposit bonuses or other promotions that they know will increase the chance of making a profit if done with multiple accounts.

Honest players certainly use VPN for privacy purposes only or to bypass blocks from cellular providers because this is also experienced by many players from my country, not to bypass restrictions on the list of countries that are not allowed to play at the casino, because this is very risky and will cause problems in the future.

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Quote from: FanEagle on March 25, 2024, 10:04:55 AM

I mean when you think about it, VPN is a risky move by any gambler and if they use it then the yare very well aware that they could be asked about it later on as well. It is not a shock that if you are using VPN then some casino may ask you about it, you are not using it and then get shocked that you get asked about it, you know the possibility even before you start it anyway.

So, it should not really be all that shocking at all. We should be considering this as a normal part of the situation. This is why I believe that when this happens, gamblers who react to it are either faking it, or very newbie in the crypto gambling world. Because anyone who has been around, knows that this will eventually happen to you as well if you use VPN.

The use of VPN is only trivial if you are using it to hide your restricted country but if it’s not then there’s nothing wrong on using because you are not breaking the casino ToS with or without VPN. The use of VPN always cause a confusion to many user here despite there’s already a lot of thread and official answer regarding this matter.

Casino knew if you are using VPN. They typically investigate on your account if you have a questionable gambling activity that usually connected to VPN such as hiding your IP due to multiple account, restricted country or bonus abuse. It’s just VPN is always being use by cheater that’s why it’s always involved in every issue in the casino but that doesn’t mean is the use VPN per se is bad.

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Quote from: OcTradism on March 24, 2024, 02:44:19 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

VPN can be a first trigger of a platform to investigate more about suspicious accounts but I agree with you that VPN is not a main cause why one account is accused by any platform as cheater.

If a platform makes such accusation, they surely have more evidence about that account activities and links with other accounts too like betting style, time of bets, favorite tournaments and more.

VPN can be a trigger, one of causes but not only or the main reason.

I mean when you think about it, VPN is a risky move by any gambler and if they use it then the yare very well aware that they could be asked about it later on as well. It is not a shock that if you are using VPN then some casino may ask you about it, you are not using it and then get shocked that you get asked about it, you know the possibility even before you start it anyway.

So, it should not really be all that shocking at all. We should be considering this as a normal part of the situation. This is why I believe that when this happens, gamblers who react to it are either faking it, or very newbie in the crypto gambling world. Because anyone who has been around, knows that this will eventually happen to you as well if you use VPN.

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Quote from: piebeyb on March 25, 2024, 04:10:54 AM

I have a friend and he plays at a crypto casino which is quite well known also on this forum, he was told to complete KYC just because he wanted to withdraw tens of dollars, obviously that is worrying for a crypto casino like that, why only tens of dollars can ask for KYC to its users, as cheap as Is that assessing someone's privacy, while KYC is still annoying for many gamblers who want to play anonymously and maintain their privacy, even though I still think it's safe, I still feel bad for my friend because I invited him to play on that site but it was difficult.

I'm not really happy with using a VPN because not all sites support it, that's why I prefer to gamble at my house rather than outside the house because in my opinion forcing myself to gamble outside the house using a VPN is definitely not fun either, that's why my friend has been since that incident. he no longer wants to gamble at crypto casinos which I think is a bit annoying to ask for KYC on users who only play or withdraw tens of dollars, I think crypto casinos should think again about that and change their systems or regulations so as not to lose many users.

KYC isn't about how much money you have, you deposit or your winnings, but this also related to cheaters or abusers. Who knows if your friends is a cheater or abuser? a casino can close many accounts even they didn't made any deposit, because the casino know the accounts were operated by a same person and he try to make money from the promotion.

Well, you can gamble outside without need to use VPN. IPv4 will not always be same even you're always access the site from the same place, so you don't have to worry.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on March 24, 2024, 03:35:25 PM

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

I have a friend and he plays at a crypto casino which is quite well known also on this forum, he was told to complete KYC just because he wanted to withdraw tens of dollars, obviously that is worrying for a crypto casino like that, why only tens of dollars can ask for KYC to its users, as cheap as Is that assessing someone's privacy, while KYC is still annoying for many gamblers who want to play anonymously and maintain their privacy, even though I still think it's safe, I still feel bad for my friend because I invited him to play on that site but it was difficult.

I'm not really happy with using a VPN because not all sites support it, that's why I prefer to gamble at my house rather than outside the house because in my opinion forcing myself to gamble outside the house using a VPN is definitely not fun either, that's why my friend has been since that incident. he no longer wants to gamble at crypto casinos which I think is a bit annoying to ask for KYC on users who only play or withdraw tens of dollars, I think crypto casinos should think again about that and change their systems or regulations so as not to lose many users.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on March 24, 2024, 10:44:32 PM

Quote from: ajiz138 on March 24, 2024, 03:35:25 PM

Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

In a way I can understand that gamblers want to keep some of their privacy with the use of VPNs, but while this could have been possible years ago, this is no feasible anymore.

So either gamblers accept this fact or stop gambling altogether, as casinos with the increase on the number of customers, they have attracted the attention of regulators, and now they have to implement policies to identify their clients and keep track of their identities, something that I am sure not even casinos like, but they have to agree with that in order to get their casino license.

I think that is the trend we are seeing indeed and it will not be stopping anytime soon. I don't think the ask for KYC is always related to the license as most casinos have a Curacao license and what is the real value of that (Efialtis from BTCGOSU wrote some pieces about that). I have no problems with submitting KYC to reliable casinos.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on March 24, 2024, 03:35:25 PM

Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

In a way I can understand that gamblers want to keep some of their privacy with the use of VPNs, but while this could have been possible years ago, this is no feasible anymore.

So either gamblers accept this fact or stop gambling altogether, as casinos with the increase on the number of customers, they have attracted the attention of regulators, and now they have to implement policies to identify their clients and keep track of their identities, something that I am sure not even casinos like, but they have to agree with that in order to get their casino license.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on March 24, 2024, 11:25:49 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

If we use a VPN to respect privacy, that is understandable as long as the effects we will get while using a VPN while playing can be borne by ourselves.
I am not against VPNs when playing in casinos, but understanding the rules that have been set for comfortable playing is more important, including if the rules are not allowed to use a VPN.

The major reasons why casinos do not allow use of VPNs is;
1. They are used by many abusers and multiaccounts to register and claim welcome bonuses
2. They are used by players from banned countries

In most cases, very few people with good intentions would use a VPN on a casino they know can ask for KYC verification at any time. If someone really values they privacy very much, then there is no reason they should be registering in a centralized casino in the first place.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on March 24, 2024, 11:25:49 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

If we use a VPN to respect privacy, that is understandable as long as the effects we will get while using a VPN while playing can be borne by ourselves.
I am not against VPNs when playing in casinos, but understanding the rules that have been set for comfortable playing is more important, including if the rules are not allowed to use a VPN.

Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

If we use a VPN to respect privacy, that is understandable as long as the effects we will get while using a VPN while playing can be borne by ourselves.
I am not against VPNs when playing in casinos, but understanding the rules that have been set for comfortable playing is more important, including if the rules are not allowed to use a VPN.

Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

What I mean by this is that before taking action, it is better to look at and read the TOS first even though the purpose of using a VPN is not to commit fraud against the casino.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 07:09:58 AM

They have a system in place, it will record you IP address and the location where you are accessing the online casino. However, if from the start you have been using VPN and they didn't do anything about it, then I guess it's not anymore relevant to be use as one of the causes why the account will get compromise. Some seemed to link big winnings and VPN, I don't know what's the connection but some shady casinos makes it as a reason to freeze an account. However, if you are not comfortable, avoiding from using a VPN might be necessary.

I created a topic regarding VPN in the past when use in the casino. It’s true that they have a system to determine whether the user is using VPN or not including the original IP which the user is hiding through the use of VPN meaning it’s useless to use VPN just to hide the real location especially if his country of origin is from restricted country.

So VPN in reality is not the main reason to trigger casino suspicion to an account just like what you said but rather the real IP of the user that they want to hide which is either they are from restricted country or using multiple account that previously broke ToS. Casino will not bust immediately all the user that has secret to hide, they usually bust them when they are initiating withdrawal that’s why most of the case of ToS violations are when user requests withdrawal.

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Quote from: OcTradism on March 24, 2024, 02:44:19 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

VPN can be a first trigger of a platform to investigate more about suspicious accounts but I agree with you that VPN is not a main cause why one account is accused by any platform as cheater.

If a platform makes such accusation, they surely have more evidence about that account activities and links with other accounts too like betting style, time of bets, favorite tournaments and more.

VPN can be a trigger, one of causes but not only or the main reason.

They have a system in place, it will record you IP address and the location where you are accessing the online casino. However, if from the start you have been using VPN and they didn't do anything about it, then I guess it's not anymore relevant to be use as one of the causes why the account will get compromise. Some seemed to link big winnings and VPN, I don't know what's the connection but some shady casinos makes it as a reason to freeze an account. However, if you are not comfortable, avoiding from using a VPN might be necessary.

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Quote from: OcTradism on March 24, 2024, 02:44:19 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

VPN can be a first trigger of a platform to investigate more about suspicious accounts but I agree with you that VPN is not a main cause why one account is accused by any platform as cheater.

VPN can be a trigger, one of causes but not only or the main reason.

For me we don't need to use VPN if we are at home try to gamble since there's nothing to be afraid of and we are clean to the casino for doing that but there are cases that we need to use VPN especially if we are public places and using public wifi. For sure It will not give us any problem especially if we use those good VPN or those paid ones. If we are not bypassing some restriction for sure we are fine especially if we can provide supporting details that we are not in restricted regions.

VPN might trigger something but for sure it can't harm them. But if they are still doubting about this maybe the best thing they could do is to ask the support to get more valid answers.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 24, 2024, 02:01:09 AM

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

VPN can be a first trigger of a platform to investigate more about suspicious accounts but I agree with you that VPN is not a main cause why one account is accused by any platform as cheater.

If a platform makes such accusation, they surely have more evidence about that account activities and links with other accounts too like betting style, time of bets, favorite tournaments and more.

VPN can be a trigger, one of causes but not only or the main reason.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 22, 2024, 07:00:35 PM

If upon registration the player honestly stated his country and address, I do not think the player is hiding his location if he use VPN. Most people who has no intention to cheat on the casino uses VPN for privacy, so that he can avoid any unwanted tracking cookies. So as long as there is no mention that the use of VPN is restricted, I believe he can freely use the VPN service providing that it does not breaches any other terms on the tos just like the example I given.

But of course, it is best to consult the admin or the support about the casino's rule about the use of VPN.

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

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