Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 242. (Read 1058949 times)

I think devcoin quibids would be different.. why? because it forces people to register. How? imagine if we set aside say x shares a round and end of the round purchase something to sell via bids and that item is in demand everywhere like ipad or something then it gaurantees people to join and bid.. the breakeven point to say a $400 ipad is something crazy like $50 if I remember.. its a great business model win win for both parties...will you let someome outbid you for a $50 new ipad? No! and anything over is profit for the site.. new features funded via bounties and a network of developers at that point.

Any profit will be used to buy up devcoins on market and hold in reserve or distribute to shareholders or something.

You have to say anyway that spending the shares on this would be alot better exposure for the coin than material on devtome.. actually it will force higher quality materials in devtome once they have to work harder to earn less since ventures like this will eat it up.

Do the analysis risk vs reward how many shares have been put up supporting devtome? Thousands! what were the rewards for devcoin bottom line? Negative something..

Whats the risk with a quibids style site? initial bounty and shares per month and provide instant profit back to devcoin.

@Wekkel - drivel is NOT allowed at all, in case you were under the impression that it is. We've already dealt with multiple people in the past for it, and I can always take in reports as well.

Good work Wekkel.. the peers thing is only temporary until the dns seeds switch to use new clients once merged mining is proven to be working by the pool.

Where are the btc references and logos? I thought I got all of them! The exchange rate in btc is the one I see and its dvc to btc.. actualy there is a bug you should be able to set current currency to usd and it should show dvc usd prices everywhere instead of dvc btc etc...

Ok, I have two things in this post:

1. testing the Devcoin Android Wallet
2. the discussion about remuneration of Devtome work

==1. Testing the Devcoin Android Wallet ==

Testing was done on the following machines/devices

Windows 8.1 64 bit
Linux (latest Debian)
Android 4.2 (LG G2 and Samsung SII +)

The good news: all tests passed!  
The bad news: it takes some time for most payments to register (about half an hour to an hour). This is general and not related to the Android wallet.



Payments between the Windows wallet (I believe I'm still on 1.0., Linux wallet (0.3.x or something) and Android Wallet (1.0.1) went ok, but it took quite some time for the payment to register. This does not seem to be related to the Android wallet specifically.

Payments between two phones works fine. Payment via QR code is a breeze. It took me some time to find out how NFC payment works. It turns out that the phones really have to touch each others back to make NFC connection. Below are some shots of the Android wallet and video's of two payments between phones.

Screenshots




The look we are accustomed with (at least, I am, having a Bitcoin client and Dogecoin client based on the same wallet). There are several text items and logo's that still refer to Bitcoin. That needs to be sorted out.

For newcomers that want to try out the Android Wallet: in settings tick off the option to seek trusted peers and insert a manual node. I inserted d.evco.in which worked fine.

Video's of payments between phones.

1. QR code (Youtube video): set up a payment, scan the address of the receiving phone with QR code with the device that must send the payment. Easy as pie.

2. NFC code (Youtube video): request a payment, set the amount and send the payment details to the other device that must send the payment. Works fine and the device receiving the payment request does not have to run the Devcoin client. It opens automatically when pushing the payment request over NFC.

This NFC payment was done offline. Both phones were disconnected from Wifi and mobile data. The offline transaction was performed via Bluetooth which worked flawlessly.

If you want to make offline payments via Bluetooth, you must enable this 'experimental' option on both phones in the options menu of the Android Devcoin client.

Conlusion:

• great results
• some tidying up to do (proper logo's, references, removal of 'BTC' and 'Bitcoin')
• fixing the node stuff so a user does not have to insert peers in order to connect upon first use

Sidhujag, you've done great work  

==2. Remuneration of Devtome work==

I followed the intense discussion with interest. I fully understand the argument that there is a discrepancy between payment of development work and Devtome work. Earning some Devcoins with writing is fairly easy with 1,000 words per share. As a Devtome writer, I also question whether writing about very specific topics will bring Devtome (and Devcoin) much further. It would be easy for me to post about what I did each day, but the world would not be interested. Therefore, I limit writing to things that carry some original thoughts and can be used later as reference/faqs for Devcoin education/promotion. Less troubling than the Devs' perspective, I am not happy to see writing that one can call 'drivel' or 'irrelevant' awarded in quantity instead of quality, but that's something I will live with  

This brings me to the suggestion to think about the total amount available for Devtome each round and attaching high value to the number of page views achieved. This does not exclude a user clicking his own link thousand times without spam-detection, but if it works properly, it does entice writers to be careful what to write and for whom. It would give an incentive not to write as many words as possible for earnings, but to write for readers (and a lot of them). This approach also leads to writers wanting to share their work through social media, enhancing page view and - hopefully - quality (unless writers want to send garbage to their connections).

Anyway, my 0.02 Devcoins.

Many guys I know really spent several weeks to see their account validated on mainstream exchanges like Gox or Bitstamp recently. So if you are not into mining and you know there is big delays with the exchanges; an auction site can be an option to jump into crypto coins easily.
Auctions sites are maybe not doing well now (i don't even know one) only because there is not enough people involved in cryptos yet. In a near feature if Ebay doesn't accept cryptos as a payment there will be room for a viable crypto auction site.

PS: maybe you can split the bounty too a part for its creation and another part after some time if the site is successful.

+1 here as well. And crypto auction sites haven't been doing too hot either, so I don't see the value in it.

Have to agree with MarkM on this one.

- Nova

I think an auction site would be cool..and to add we can use our share system to have the admin purchase some cool stuff for like a sponsered auction deal of the week that people will like and put them up along with everyone elses things.. this would help fund growth like we are funding devtome right now. Call it the training wheels stage. We can market it by giving some credits to bid so ppl will register.

If we make it a qubids style site then people can buy credits via devcoins or btc which will bid up the market price.

I have a feeling there will probably be an explosion of crypto listings on Feb 10th in the U.K. because this update to their policy is making the rounds. One easy way to sell them would be to require customers to make an account on Vircurex and send them a coupon code for the amount of Devcoins. It is a bit crude but it does show the coupon code number (you can't make up the number yourself) and whether or not it has been redeemed. I did a test coupon generation and transfer and it worked instantly.

You could track this by putting the coupon code number in the notes below the buyers link on All Selling > Sold.

I take it this is your listing...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Devcoin-Digital-Cryptocurrency-cheaper-than-Bitcoin-Litecoin-Peercoin-ect-/191036400314?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item2c7aa822ba

Not yet..http://sourceforge.net/projects/devcoin/

Great but i think there is 5dvc fee on every send from wallet so balance may be off. I havent used it on a real device.. how does it feel?

I have heard that some musicians offer at least some of their music free on the net.

Do any of them do so in actual free open source form?

If so maybe we could somehow find out whether any of them spends at least ten hours per week producing free open source music and if we find such a person offer to put them on the receivers list?

Hopefully it would be someone famous, isn't it the famous ones that find piracy and freebies increase their sales rather than lowering them, due to so much of their work not being free yet available all over the place, so that people who learn from the free material that they like the artist's work then see all kinds of similar work in all the stores and now know they will probably like it?

Famous would mean newsworthy so it would be win-win.

But I am not really confident that any of the famous musicians who give away freebies actually license those freebies as free open source...

(So they are not really free afterall, except in the "as in beer not as in real freedom" sense... Gratis rather than actual freedom...)

-MarkM-

I agree. The simplest way to change that, imo, would be to lower the lowest ranking of writing from .5 to even less. That way the quality becomes even more important and those clearly writing for the coin and the coin only will realize it just isn't worth it.

This has been a common problem for me in the uk . i have been selling loads of devcoin over the past few months and that is all i sell on ebay.

this is ebays uk response to digital currency.

Please know that per our recent policy update, Virtual currency (i.e. Bitcoin and Litecoin), whether digitally or physically delivered cannot be listed in Auction-style and Buy-It-Now listing formats. eBay is opening a Virtual Currency category to allow the sale of virtual currency in Classified Ads format on February 10, 2014. We request that you do not list these items until that date. Alternatively, you may list your item on the eBay.com site in the Coins & Paper Money>Virtual Currency Category in Classified Ad format.
 
i am up for doing all i can for devcoin on the uk site once i am allowed to list on the 10th feb.
all my adds have been removed now but i still have one remaining on the US site that seems to have been overlooked and has been ticking along steadyly introducing people at 500 dvc and fetching $1.99

i have also been doing some creative marketing on ebay to get out of the coin section to avoid detection and still introduce people to devcoin by advertizing mobile phone top up vouchers , explaining i can also email the code to them if they need it faster than a bitcoin transaction.
 i also include a free offer of 500 devcoin and free digital wallet to sample in the advert.

Top up voucher cades are are a form of digital currency that can be exchanged for any other currency, and i am very interested in creating a website for the uk pay as you go phone top up market as i mentioned in this thead a few days ago when i made contact with melodie who acceps bitcoin and devcoin as payment for website building and coding.

I have asked kissmyweb to put this project on the back burner while i research and  see what interest i can drum up to raise funds to pay for such a trading platform working on BTCC/top up codes.

I want to somehow incorporate devcoin. 

As devcoin is the developers coin it could and should be used to develop anything.

devcoin is now a writercoin because of the assciation with the devtome wiki
It could also be a phonecoin if associated with a new website dedicated to trading airtime on the uk telecomunications network.
none of the uk networks accept cryptocurrencys yet .
Most of there customers use pay as you go phones because they do not have a bank account.
I see a masive gap in the market and an oppertunity that needs to be filled .
like a virtual atm  people can obtain bitcoin/devcoin by simply purchasing a top up code from any store and forward it to the website for exchange.

i am not sure how the bountys work really and thats not my motivation , i have been in touch with the large distributors of airtime to enquire about buying airtime at wholesale prices and the door is slamed tight as the whole network is owned by one company and is monoplised to protect all the payment processers and retailers commisions down the chain .

the end users themselves will sell a top up voucher cheaper than the producers that create them !

many distributors have their own sim card produced,they make huge commisions from the network providor every time the sim card it toped up with airtime . i propose devcoin somehow develops its own simcard to a real income can be generated and all its members get to share in the discounts as well undercutting the man thats ripping us all off. 

Been looking at cryptostocks and bitcoinstarter but not sure how succefull these sites are at attracting investors.

Got it. Test plan below for this evening. Please add if you think I missed something.

1FPEkkq8giG2biXhzstPDJseqMypVHaoEL (Android wallet)

Where is 1.0.12 available from anyways? Is that the one that's on Devcoin.org now (under wallet -> Windows -> Windows Installer)?

you can use my node, just change settings-> trusted peer to "d.evco.in", and restart the wallet.

This is a bit too technical for me. I think I can manage if you elaborate on this.

c++ gcc runtimes although i prob need them anyways for the base src. I will build it and create a new version to test.

Yea I guess but running multiple daemons at once prob makes sense to have dynamic linking.. even for qt better to just do the same since its in the same dir.

What do you mean runtime libs?

To build a coin you need all the -devel packages from your distro for all the libs it depends on, if you want static libs for some distro things you also need maybe not jsut the -devel package but also a package containing specifically static libs, not all -devel packages even contain the static libs maybe. (Not sure if that applies specifically to the current set of dependencies bitcoin-derived coins have or not though, just in general some packages have a -static separate from the -dev or -devel package.)

Mind you there are security reasons for insisting on static libs when distributing binaries.

I am concerned with when the users are going to do their own compiling, because in that case the static libs that came from their distro system are as easily caused to be corrupt as the dynamic libs that came from their distro system so no security advantage to making them use the static ones.

I think bitcoin's makefile.unix makes some things static moostly because the creators of the makefile planned to use it themselves to make binaries for distribution.

Maybe it should have a make distro separate from a make bitcoind or something like that so the special case of making binaries to distribute doesn't spoil the dynamicness of when you make binaries for your own use. Or just not default to assuming everyone is normally making binaries to distribute but rather that they are normally making binaries to execute.

-MarkM-