Topic: Dwarf FPGA – the anti-ASIC - page 47. (Read 43440 times)

batch 2 good idea

this is what happened to me with alpha tech ...same scam....if over 45 days w/o a dispute..you are screwed...i was saved in the fact that to prove the

validity of amex (paypal never replied) that I should lose the dispute...amex sent me a form from alpha-tech saying I paid in full..in that it was a pre-order

of 1/3 down via paypal ...i managed to get a call back from paypal fraud after pestering the regular phone folk and pointed them to the alpha page and

showed that it was 1/3 down and that alpha tech was lying by saying i had paid the full amount in full...the guy refunded me on the spot and flag'd alpha

tech..finally after a month for fraud...so I got lucky, IF alpha tech would have only said I paid the 1/3 amount on the bill rather then the scammy full

amount listed....i never would have gotten zip....and IF you are paying and INDIVIDUAL for a product that 'supposedly' is run thru a business like they

claim here...especially overseas....I've heard from others since 2013 it is even MORE iffy...so if nothing else IF YOU PAID via PAYPAL on like day 40

put in a dispute for the full amount back...IF no action happens after that point..you are in the que and can probably still get redress if the wheels come

of on all this on day 46,47,48 ..this is how it worked for amex and I was told mastercard in 2014

(so my faith in paypal and my amex has been tested indeed from 2014 very, very careful and document everything and NEVER not use a credit card

if for no other reason you have the cc company to complain to...paypal...even with a dispute in place did not reply to anything in 2014 after the 45 day

period, again even though put in a dispute before..just around day 55 said it was denied an no more communication..then got lucky only with amex

for the above reasons...again this was 2014 ..in 2013 butterfly labs played the same game on pre-orders...and paypal pulled their support of BFL which

also did no one any good who paid via paypal when the wheels came off of that either (again, from others on BFL I was told on this ..my experience with

them by that time was way past the 45 days) beware indeed

me too... But if the second batch will be manufactured for a long time and "ends up on a slow boat from China to your location" (c) it may have not time to ROI... I'm afraid the buyers of Baikal Giant N does not returned their investments  
Here we have a risk too... We do not know what the Monero developers will come up on the next step.

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I can not understand one thing. When someone (who has a pack of coins) controls the exchange rate and makes money on the artificial mountains, this is normal. Just smile and mine, boys. Smile and mine. And no one calls it a scam. Nobody the bell tolls.
I see a lot of pastors in a brothel here  

It's only because I like playing with hardware... not really expecting to turn a profit here and I'd only want one but yeah... just screams too fishy to me

~LOL~ I can rent out my rig  
I would have died to watch three hours by blinking lamp...And this is unlikely to convince me more.

Yeah, these people tried to convince me that it is impossible to make asic on kriptonigt. And then BOOOM and gigant N, BOOOM, 2TH in network...
Starting cost of WHOLE mainer Baikal Giant N was lower than you call  "start according to them". And then it was dropped to $1,600.

Unless the second batch comes out before anyone receives the first batch, in which case wait for third batch. 

so tempting but i would like to wait for 2nd batch perhaps.

What a bold statement!
Chinese have a space program. One chip from there can cost as your home 

There should already be one off these test units running on an address that everyone can see and monitor.  We should already be able to see that it hashes at the rate stated, is stable, and is legitimate.  That should have been step one.  Let alone getting one into the hands of someone trusted to also test.  But that appears to be "too much" for the OP.  

Go back and watch the youtube videos he posted  They are like a patchwork of 30 second clips.  You never just see this miner run nonstop for any period of time.  So there is no evidence so far that there is a working product that will run under the kind of conditions that we put miners through.

This is all just too much for the OP to waste his time doing... Testing, demonstrating, providing proof, putting samples in the hands of people who would be glad to help him... But he says he doesn't need that.  

Now add to that if that miner ends up on a slow boat from China to your location your 45 day window to contest this will be up.  

The OP acts like we are asking for the moon.

There are some very bright people who are working on FPGA's on this forum and the price for entry is 3000-5000 to start according to them.  But you are supposed to believe that it can be done for 300-500 bucks?  

So that either means the members here that do in fact have a history here and have a reputation that is respected are telling us it will take 3000-5000 per copy to do this we are saying they are the scammers and liars, and this 300-500 buck wonder with no trust or credibility here is the one telling the truth?  

Sorry, I am going to believe the guys that appear to playing it straight with us and that the real cost to get this done is going to be at LEAST 3k a pop.  So I will hold on to see what they come up with and watch for the shock and dismay, and screaming about how you were ripped off and someone should have done something about it.  We tried, you didn't listen.

I will be happy to eat crow if this turns out to be legit, but so far I just don't see that happening.

Credit card disputes in the US can be filed up to 60-90 days after the purchase, some even later than that. There are some banks that have a one-refund-no-questions-asked policy.


It's not just PayPal, it's also the ability to use credit card protection. This covers outright fraud as well (most of the time) even if you run with the money.

You seem to be deliberately lying now in an attempt to downplay the removal of PayPal payment option. Makes me wonder what else you've been lying about.

Are you serious, put the wallet down.  Mining profits usually arent made with a new flashy machine, just through building your mine and hard work figuring stuff out

I'm so tempted to place an order... my heart is saying yes but my head is saying no. There's so many questions yet there is also something here... it doesn't look like what's being show is not real hardware. I really don't know what to think

Can you do a live webcast to demo the unit and take direction from a legendary member?  I mean, there has to be something you can do here to show more detail about the miner.

--again paypal can still and your credit card can still (amex) tell you to screw off...due to the fact ..in a previous post you were paying not a company
It does not matter. The company can be registered remotely. If the money will be stolen, Paypal will not refund them to you and will point to the insurance company of state. I do not understand the holy faith to paypal.

--dit: re-read previous post to this..it's for sure..it is a SCAM! No doubt in my mind now
Why is always more negative comments? Because everyone wants to express dislike.
The rest does business  

If in 18 day that corresponds with the 45-day max to get a refund by PayPal comes into play..beware..the same game that alpha-tech used with PayPal and credit

cards..once past the 45 days for PayPal without a dispute already on file and everyone got stuck on those imaginary miners on that missed deadline and supposed

PayPal and credit card security


edit: re-read previous post to this..it's for sure..it is a SCAM! No doubt in my mind now (sorry for those on your loss on ordering)

For all who asked for a paypal but did not receive the invoice.
Your orders are fixed in the system and goods are reserved for you. Do not worry, your miner will not go to another.

It is very difficult to refute charges because evidence is required only from us.
Any man can say: this has the wrong screw color! And I have to prove the color is correct...
I'll try below.


--I build a lot of analog equipment for fun, and I've often found perfectly reputable sellers that did not accept PP credit.
In fact, paypal is a purely US fetish. Europeans prefer direct transfer to our european bank, Asians and Russians - crypto.

--but 100Mbps or less uses 4 pins while 1000Mbps uses 8 pins.
Yes.

--If it is a bait and switch they will keep this going for 45 days and then you are stuck on the pre-order...
The first batch ends on June 18. It's less than 45 days.

--Notice the bold highlights.....
--thanks to the vigilance of customers
Yes, I do not hide the problems. Would it be better for people to send money to a blocked account? At that moment, we did not know what the problem was.
Paypal consultant have explained to us there were many calls with the questions about of account name. Paypal reacted to the concern of users.
But now we see that any group of users can block our account at any time.
This is not only our money, but also obligations to the buyers. Approximately 140 paypal orders were processed and about 800 in the queue. I'm not ready to be responsible for paypal errors or random events.
Now we are discussing how we can use paypal further.

--He did that, and he'd get 'tons' of orders on a positive review.
We were forced to connect programmers to the processing of orders, because the manager can not cope  

--Basically, he doesn't really care if we trust the legitimacy of his product
it's not a true. It's a really small batch for the word's crypto market. This is a batch of samples.
Testing the device it's three weeks minimum. It's business. Who was the first, he gathers the cream.
Last time, the Baikal cut the price for the Giant N by half when a competitor appeared. I do not have the opportunity to lower the price more.
Further, 5000 are almost sold in less than a week. We plan to release the next batch of 25,000 pieces. By that time, users from around the world will test the devices unassisted by "trusted users".
Tell me one reason to lose timemoney for trusted users?  

--So videos where he's "mining" with this miner can be easily faked.
Power consumption, heating, it is also easy to fake in game?

--Like really, you create your own FPGA, yet can't even throw in your own website/domain?
Yes. Because FPGA developers do not make websites.
In the next step we will make our own website. Now we are using a ready-made tool designed for this work.

--those 1200 people who paid with paypal gets their money back
Maybe that's why I'm reporting problems with paypal... [sarcasm]

-- If this would be legit he wouldn't have any problems with this.
Paypal and the bank account in euro zone was registered for a Mickey Mouse. You exposed us   [sarcasm #2]

--Really wish they would release open source software though...
I do not think the verilog source will help to many peoples.  But this will definitely lead to the appearance of Chinese clones.

--But this whole pre-order/payment scenario
Scamers on the contrary try to get money asap.
In addition, about half of users do not add shipping or purchase shipping ONLY.    If this were paid, this would lead to more problems.

--if everyone receiving the unit goes to XMR this will increase the network hashrate by 8% so this is far from what bitmain and baikal did to the network
If we combine chips into an array, we can get 200, 400, 1000 kh from one miner. But such miners bring down the market and the exchange rate. The diff and hr will grow, but not a profitability of eatch miner. This is a rat race.
We do not aim to destroy the network. And we are mining on our devices and we sell it. Youtube bloggers are doing the same, but sell information.

--Just so everyone knows I tried to place an order through paypal on their site for 12K for giggles.
Yes, I see your order in the system https://mega.nz/#!WHRWhTxT!Vsi1NyUjFVd_tON6dYnFTeccShHKD3E3bLfozqGTOD0
Thanks for the information, your order was canceled.
And you're not alone. A lot of merry idiots are hamper the processing of orders https://mega.nz/#!SSgQhB7D!mL3-18fjn6PaGQvyS_YZbM0fMED-44ue5S65H2qUW5U
As a result, real users do not receive their invoices on time.

--No invoice was ever sent and now the paypal payment option is removed from their site.
To prevent loss of money from users.

--I wonder why he ignores the testing/reviewing by forum members.
I have repeatedly described the reason here. The time between forks is too short to lose a month for the test.

-- Why such a short test?
Because paypal account has no problems. We provided documents, visited security office and the problem was resolved. But this alerted us now.

--Dwarf Miner is Future ! Dwarf Miner is Now !
Perhaps we'll launch it into the space soon. [no]

again paypal can still and your credit card can still (amex) tell you to screw off...due to the fact ..in a previous post you were paying not a company

but a guy overseas....they love loopholes like that....(not gonna reimburse you cash for sending $$$ to a person just cause you say he will sell you equipment)

be careful, paypal and cc can also be played

The most accurate approximation of a real sales pitch....  I am awaiting being proven wrong

Batch 2, get that batch 2 up and taking preorders before the first units get into anyone's hot little hands to try it for themselves... Get as many of those babies sold as possible before any bad news hits....

If anyone is following the other FPGA thread the price for entry is a LONG SHOT from where this unit is at.  So there is a HUGE disconnect somewhere.