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Quote from: QueenVera on February 09, 2024, 01:44:11 PM

Ajax have not been at their best performances but they've definitely been winning games and have been consistent to it. Definitely a coach has his own impact in a team, once the head is faulty, there'll always be loopholes. It means a lot for a team to get victorious consecutively in a row and for Ajax, that's caused a gradual improvement regardless not doubting that they still have to put in more work. They've got players no doubt but the squad needs to be better.

Ajax is a team better than a narrow win, at the moment though, finding the right player who's top and ready in all areas to give that competitive capacity in both the domestic league and the European leagues will be hard. Their inconsistency is unhealthy and they just have to find a way to stop the losses from occuring through a narrow means. There's still a bit of time for their errors to be reshaped and corrected too.

Mistakes made and corrected, Ajax falls on the winning side of the league. Ajax will finish in the top four this season. The losses and wins are recorded on the Ajax side; there was a point when I felt Ajax would be demoted since their performance was impoverished giving viewers worries about their ability to compete. I grant gratitude to Ajax for their incredible hope of returning to winning matches despite beginning on the wrong foot. It took a long time for them to recognize their weaknesses and correct their mistakes, but they are gradually recovering.

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Ajax is currently on position 5th, and has a good chance to win away match against Heerenveen and reach position 4th, since AZ is completely out of form at the moment
and just a two months before, that looked really impossible

one of strangest and less interesting seasons in Netherlands, PSV secured title in mid-season, Feyenoord is second and Ajax is climbing from relegation zone, to probably finish 3rd in the end
hard to expect something different from that

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Quote from: Godday on February 09, 2024, 12:03:24 AM

Quote from: Weawant on February 08, 2024, 09:51:02 AM

It's still very possible Ajax secure a spot for their selves at the champions league by next season, that's absolutely in no doubt especially if they can make it to be in the third or fourth position on the table which is a very possible thing for them, it's clear that PSV is beyond reach at the top of the table already but same does not apply to the third and fourth positions, they are still very much contestable, Ajax is just a few points away from the third position which if they could consistently win their games on a streak, they are definitely going to get there.

Are you saying that by getting third place in the standings, Ajax will play in the Champions League next season? From what I know, the Eredivise only gets 2 slots in the Champions League every season and those are first and second place. In fact, the previous season they only got 1 Champions League ticket and that was Feyenoord. You can see PSV, which was in second place last season, playing in the European league. So I agree with you that Ajax was able to get third place and that means Ajax will get a ticket to play in the European league, not the Champions League. Correct me if I'm wrong.

In 2024, we will have Champions League with new format just because of this Eredivisie spot is increased with third spotted needs to fight in qualification even I have feeling Eredivisie is now recently have better quality then French Ligue 1 but still they are having more spots for the Champions League, but this is also good and now most chances we will have fight for the third spot between Twente and Ajax because AZ Alkmaar is on decline, and they are losing too many points which are going to hurt them in future for the better spot with Ajax is also return at their best in last five game we have 9 more points for the Ajax then AZ Alkmaar which is not level on points with Ajax for the fourth spot.

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Quote from: Godday on February 09, 2024, 12:03:24 AM

Are you saying that by getting third place in the standings, Ajax will play in the Champions League next season? From what I know, the Eredivise only gets 2 slots in the Champions League every season and those are first and second place. In fact, the previous season they only got 1 Champions League ticket and that was Feyenoord. You can see PSV, which was in second place last season, playing in the European league. So I agree with you that Ajax was able to get third place and that means Ajax will get a ticket to play in the European league, not the Champions League. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ajax have not been at their best performances but they've definitely been winning games and have been consistent to it. Definitely a coach has his own impact in a team, once the head is faulty, there'll always be loopholes. It means a lot for a team to get victorious consecutively in a row and for Ajax, that's caused a gradual improvement regardless not doubting that they still have to put in more work. They've got players no doubt but the squad needs to be better.

Ajax is a team better than a narrow win, at the moment though, finding the right player who's top and ready in all areas to give that competitive capacity in both the domestic league and the European leagues will be hard. Their inconsistency is unhealthy and they just have to find a way to stop the losses from occuring through a narrow means. There's still a bit of time for their errors to be reshaped and corrected too.

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First of all nice to reach the 100 pages on this thread this show something to s, like asides of being more little than the big fives leagues of europe, eredivisie remains as one of the more powerfull leagues and followed by many people as we can see in the number of post here.

About this round i dont see any important game.

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Quote from: Godday on February 09, 2024, 12:03:24 AM

Quote from: Weawant on February 08, 2024, 09:51:02 AM

It's still very possible Ajax secure a spot for their selves at the champions league by next season, that's absolutely in no doubt especially if they can make it to be in the third or fourth position on the table which is a very possible thing for them, it's clear that PSV is beyond reach at the top of the table already but same does not apply to the third and fourth positions, they are still very much contestable, Ajax is just a few points away from the third position which if they could consistently win their games on a streak, they are definitely going to get there.

Are you saying that by getting third place in the standings, Ajax will play in the Champions League next season? From what I know, the Eredivise only gets 2 slots in the Champions League every season and those are first and second place. In fact, the previous season they only got 1 Champions League ticket and that was Feyenoord. You can see PSV, which was in second place last season, playing in the European league. So I agree with you that Ajax was able to get third place and that means Ajax will get a ticket to play in the European league, not the Champions League. Correct me if I'm wrong.

This season or at this time the Dutch league can ration 3 slots that appear in the champions league the same as France. 2 qualify directly 1 more through qualification.

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Quote from: Weawant on February 08, 2024, 09:51:02 AM

It's still very possible Ajax secure a spot for their selves at the champions league by next season, that's absolutely in no doubt especially if they can make it to be in the third or fourth position on the table which is a very possible thing for them, it's clear that PSV is beyond reach at the top of the table already but same does not apply to the third and fourth positions, they are still very much contestable, Ajax is just a few points away from the third position which if they could consistently win their games on a streak, they are definitely going to get there.

Are you saying that by getting third place in the standings, Ajax will play in the Champions League next season? From what I know, the Eredivise only gets 2 slots in the Champions League every season and those are first and second place. In fact, the previous season they only got 1 Champions League ticket and that was Feyenoord. You can see PSV, which was in second place last season, playing in the European league. So I agree with you that Ajax was able to get third place and that means Ajax will get a ticket to play in the European league, not the Champions League. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Well resilience.... i know that concept fits in this case, but i also thin Ajax has so much more level than the other teams so i dont know if i can call that resilience, only a wake up.

The game against PSV can help them to start to build from there as a solid base.

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Quote from: Godday on February 07, 2024, 10:36:19 AM

I agree with you. Ajax is different from Lyon because Ajax was able to rise from adversity and is now competing to get a ticket to the European league next season. I'm not saying the Champions League for Ajax because first and second place almost certainly belong to PSV and Feyenoord. But I believe they have returned to a positive trend now. They managed to win 3 matches and got 2 draws in the last five matches. It was a very good result after a very bad start to the season.

Ajax has got resilience on a different level because they were really poor in their performance earlier such that we almost taught they may not make it to top five this season as they had several losses in a roll, which was really impressive surprising and at same time amazing, I still believe they have gat much more they can do.

It's still very possible Ajax secure a spot for their selves at the champions league by next season, that's absolutely in no doubt especially if they can make it to be in the third or fourth position on the table which is a very possible thing for them, it's clear that PSV is beyond reach at the top of the table already but same does not apply to the third and fourth positions, they are still very much contestable, Ajax is just a few points away from the third position which if they could consistently win their games on a streak, they are definitely going to get there.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 05, 2024, 03:10:25 PM

I am hopeful for the Ajax to have third spot into league table until end of this season because now every week they are improving their performance and their results are also allowing them to have better chance for this with in last five matches AZ Alkmaar having 3 points and Ajax 11 which cut the deficit and now both are on level Twente having 6 points difference which is surely interesting but if Ajax are able to give their 100% then surely things could be favourable for them, and they will be achieved but how Twente will perform this is also important.

Ajax vs PSV were interesting and both give their best but in second half I believe Ajax were better even they fail to take any advantage, but things are going good for them and their future until end because they are not back in business.

Ajax have not been at their best performances but they've definitely been winning games and have been consistent to it. Definitely a coach has his own impact in a team, once the head is faulty, there'll always be loopholes. It means a lot for a team to get victorious consecutively in a row and for Ajax, that's caused a gradual improvement regardless not doubting that they still have to put in more work.

They've got players no doubt but the squad needs to be better, Ajax is a team better than a narrow win, at the moment though, finding the right player who's top and ready in all areas to give that competitive capacity in both the domestic league and the European leagues will be hard. Their inconsistency is unhealthy and they just have to find a way to stop the losses from occuring through a narrow means. There's still a bit of time for their errors to be reshaped and corrected too.

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Quote from: temple on February 07, 2024, 04:20:35 PM

They have long returned to a positive trend, but this is not the problem that Ajax Amsterdam has at the moment to fix their problems. The main problem they have is that PSV is playing an almost perfect season and that their competitors for the Champions League qualification are not falling for too many issues. Ajax needs to see Feyenoord finish some games with a draw or a loss and then they have to go for it and win their own games. Otherwise this could end in a long-term downtrend.

to catch up with PSV and feyernord is impossible. the difference with PSV is 20 points while the point difference with feyenord is 10 points. the realistic target is the top 3 so that next season can compete in the champion league. position 3 is currently occupied by twente and only 5 points different from ajax amsterdam.

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Quote from: temple on February 07, 2024, 04:20:35 PM

They have long returned to a positive trend, but this is not the problem that Ajax Amsterdam has at the moment to fix their problems. The main problem they have is that PSV is playing an almost perfect season and that their competitors for the Champions League qualification are not falling for too many issues. Ajax needs to see Feyenoord finish some games with a draw or a loss and then they have to go for it and win their own games. Otherwise this could end in a long-term downtrend.

I think that would be absolutely impossible. Feyenoord is 11 points ahead of Ajax. That means Feyenoord must get 4 defeats or 6 draws and Ajax win all their matches in order to catch Feyenoord's points. Even in a situation like that, Ajax is only 1 point ahead of Feyenoord. So I think we can't expect Aajx to compete for a ticket to the Champions League. My expectation is that they can overtake Alkmaar or Twente and get a place in the European league.

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Quote from: Godday on February 07, 2024, 10:36:19 AM

Quote from: temple on February 06, 2024, 02:11:40 PM

I think that at the end of the season, whatever the result will be that Ajax Amsterdam will have achieved by then, they are well advised to look at the season as a whole and what they have actually done coming back from literally the bottom of the table. In France there is Olympique Lyon with so many problems and they are still there trying to defend against slipping into the relegation zone.

I know that nobody thought Ajax could stay in the relegation zone, but still things can become complicated and get worse if they can't get it under control. Ajax Amsterdam was able to turn it around and now they can at least compete for something positive instead of competing against something negative.

I agree with you. Ajax is different from Lyon because Ajax was able to rise from adversity and is now competing to get a ticket to the European league next season. I'm not saying the Champions League for Ajax because first and second place almost certainly belong to PSV and Feyenoord. But I believe they have returned to a positive trend now. They managed to win 3 matches and got 2 draws in the last five matches. It was a very good result after a very bad start to the season.

They have long returned to a positive trend, but this is not the problem that Ajax Amsterdam has at the moment to fix their problems. The main problem they have is that PSV is playing an almost perfect season and that their competitors for the Champions League qualification are not falling for too many issues. Ajax needs to see Feyenoord finish some games with a draw or a loss and then they have to go for it and win their own games. Otherwise this could end in a long-term downtrend.

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Quote from: temple on February 06, 2024, 02:11:40 PM

I think that at the end of the season, whatever the result will be that Ajax Amsterdam will have achieved by then, they are well advised to look at the season as a whole and what they have actually done coming back from literally the bottom of the table. In France there is Olympique Lyon with so many problems and they are still there trying to defend against slipping into the relegation zone.

I know that nobody thought Ajax could stay in the relegation zone, but still things can become complicated and get worse if they can't get it under control. Ajax Amsterdam was able to turn it around and now they can at least compete for something positive instead of competing against something negative.

I agree with you. Ajax is different from Lyon because Ajax was able to rise from adversity and is now competing to get a ticket to the European league next season. I'm not saying the Champions League for Ajax because first and second place almost certainly belong to PSV and Feyenoord. But I believe they have returned to a positive trend now. They managed to win 3 matches and got 2 draws in the last five matches. It was a very good result after a very bad start to the season.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 05, 2024, 03:10:25 PM

I am hopeful for the Ajax to have third spot into league table until end of this season because now every week they are improving their performance and their results are also allowing them to have better chance for this with in last five matches AZ Alkmaar having 3 points and Ajax 11 which cut the deficit and now both are on level Twente having 6 points difference which is surely interesting but if Ajax are able to give their 100% then surely things could be favourable for them, and they will be achieved but how Twente will perform this is also important.

Ajax vs PSV were interesting and both give their best but in second half I believe Ajax were better even they fail to take any advantage, but things are going good for them and their future until end because they are not back in business.

Ajax have not been at their best performances but they've definitely been winning games and have been consistent to it. Definitely a coach has his own impact in a team, once the head is faulty, there'll always be loopholes. It means a lot for a team to get victorious consecutively in a row and for Ajax, that's caused a gradual improvement regardless not doubting that they still have to put in more work.

They've got players no doubt but the squad needs to be better, Ajax is a team better than a narrow win, at the moment though, finding the right player who's top and ready in all areas to give that competitive capacity in both the domestic league and the European leagues will be hard. Their inconsistency is unhealthy and they just have to find a way to stop the losses from occuring through a narrow means. There's still a bit of time for their errors to be reshaped and corrected too.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 05, 2024, 03:10:25 PM

Quote from: temple on February 05, 2024, 10:49:00 AM

Well given how PSV Eindhoven is performing this season, I think a draw against them in any season is not an embarrassment. 63:9 goals is serious performance here, but from Ajax' point of view they just can't afford any more draws if they want to keep their goal alive to play in an international tournament next season.

I admit that I only now noticed that the third position is the Champions League qualification in the Eredivisie... I just wanted to talk about how important it is for Ajax to play internationally because otherwise they wouldn't be able to retain their top talents for some time because they would leave Ajax even earlier then. But if they can play the Champions League, they often decide to stay for a few seasons as Ajax is the perfect club for them to grow and to present themselves in European football. They have two direct qualifiers and one play-off qualifier. I somehow missed that. Still a chance for Ajax then.

I am hopeful for the Ajax to have third spot into league table until end of this season because now every week they are improving their performance and their results are also allowing them to have better chance for this with in last five matches AZ Alkmaar having 3 points and Ajax 11 which cut the deficit and now both are on level Twente having 6 points difference which is surely interesting but if Ajax are able to give their 100% then surely things could be favourable for them, and they will be achieved but how Twente will perform this is also important.

Ajax vs PSV were interesting and both give their best but in second half I believe Ajax were better even they fail to take any advantage, but things are going good for them and their future until end because they are not back in business.

I think that at the end of the season, whatever the result will be that Ajax Amsterdam will have achieved by then, they are well advised to look at the season as a whole and what they have actually done coming back from literally the bottom of the table. In France there is Olympique Lyon with so many problems and they are still there trying to defend against slipping into the relegation zone.

I know that nobody thought Ajax could stay in the relegation zone, but still things can become complicated and get worse if they can't get it under control. Ajax Amsterdam was able to turn it around and now they can at least compete for something positive instead of competing against something negative.

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Quote from: temple on February 05, 2024, 10:49:00 AM

Well given how PSV Eindhoven is performing this season, I think a draw against them in any season is not an embarrassment. 63:9 goals is serious performance here, but from Ajax' point of view they just can't afford any more draws if they want to keep their goal alive to play in an international tournament next season.

I admit that I only now noticed that the third position is the Champions League qualification in the Eredivisie... I just wanted to talk about how important it is for Ajax to play internationally because otherwise they wouldn't be able to retain their top talents for some time because they would leave Ajax even earlier then. But if they can play the Champions League, they often decide to stay for a few seasons as Ajax is the perfect club for them to grow and to present themselves in European football. They have two direct qualifiers and one play-off qualifier. I somehow missed that. Still a chance for Ajax then.

I am hopeful for the Ajax to have third spot into league table until end of this season because now every week they are improving their performance and their results are also allowing them to have better chance for this with in last five matches AZ Alkmaar having 3 points and Ajax 11 which cut the deficit and now both are on level Twente having 6 points difference which is surely interesting but if Ajax are able to give their 100% then surely things could be favourable for them, and they will be achieved but how Twente will perform this is also important.

Ajax vs PSV were interesting and both give their best but in second half I believe Ajax were better even they fail to take any advantage, but things are going good for them and their future until end because they are not back in business.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 05, 2024, 09:17:58 AM

Quote from: temple on February 04, 2024, 12:13:44 PM

I think the third place is still a realistic goal for them as a 6 points gap can be made up for quite quickly and I think they still have the game to play against Twente, which means if they win that game they are in distance to catch them as soon as Twente makes a mistake.

Yesterday I thought if everything plays out perfectly well for Ajax Amsterdam, then they would have won their game against PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoord would have lost their game today. Only then I think it would have made sense to still aim at the Champions League qualification, but now that chance is gone unless something wild is about to happen, but I doubt it.

Yes third place is still a realistic position if Ajax can maintain their form, a draw is not an embarrassment against PSV this season, but that only applies to Ajax this season the standards have to be higher.

Ajax winning and Feyenoord drawing would of course have been the optimal option, but not a very realistic one either.

Well given how PSV Eindhoven is performing this season, I think a draw against them in any season is not an embarrassment. 63:9 goals is serious performance here, but from Ajax' point of view they just can't afford any more draws if they want to keep their goal alive to play in an international tournament next season.

I admit that I only now noticed that the third position is the Champions League qualification in the Eredivisie... I just wanted to talk about how important it is for Ajax to play internationally because otherwise they wouldn't be able to retain their top talents for some time because they would leave Ajax even earlier then. But if they can play the Champions League, they often decide to stay for a few seasons as Ajax is the perfect club for them to grow and to present themselves in European football. They have two direct qualifiers and one play-off qualifier. I somehow missed that. Still a chance for Ajax then.

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Asides of always you want to win a derby and more when you are the biggest team in the country like Ajax is, this time it was a perfect result for Ajax, because it was a test for them against a super team this season like PSV, with this game you can know where you are really positioned and how good are you.

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Quote from: temple on February 04, 2024, 12:13:44 PM

I think the third place is still a realistic goal for them as a 6 points gap can be made up for quite quickly and I think they still have the game to play against Twente, which means if they win that game they are in distance to catch them as soon as Twente makes a mistake.

Yesterday I thought if everything plays out perfectly well for Ajax Amsterdam, then they would have won their game against PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoord would have lost their game today. Only then I think it would have made sense to still aim at the Champions League qualification, but now that chance is gone unless something wild is about to happen, but I doubt it.

Yes third place is still a realistic position if Ajax can maintain their form, a draw is not an embarrassment against PSV this season, but that only applies to Ajax this season the standards have to be higher.

Ajax winning and Feyenoord drawing would of course have been the optimal option, but not a very realistic one either.

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