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Quote from: arallmuus on March 26, 2023, 04:33:42 PM

Anyway I decided to take Tundra but I put another game from SEA region onto this as I think this is a potential over 2.5 maps game for these two teams

I think this is a good bet. I think Tundra vs Liquid will also go to the third map. I do not know which team will win but I think Tundra will give Liquid a good fight. Some say that Tundra has slowed down since they won the TI but they are still a very competitive team and can dispatch team Liquid. We will see in this match if Tundra can win against Liquid.

Quote from: arallmuus on March 26, 2023, 04:33:42 PM

On top of that, WEU region is the toughest region out there. All teams are pretty much improved every season so a laid back team wont be able to stay on division 1 for sure. Fans were mocking Nigma when they were thrown to division 2 and now look what happens to OG, pretty sure that they are going to division 2 as well at this rate

I do not think that OG is a laid-back team but I think they are all very young and would needs veteran guidance to push them to their limits. I think the previous OG also went into the same phase before they won their first TI. I think, even if they go down Div 2 if they continue to grind, they will still have a chance to get back to DIV 1 and join TI this year.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 26, 2023, 04:12:19 PM

Quote from: execijutiere on March 26, 2023, 03:43:10 PM

In the Faze-cloud9 match, Faze was the winner. Faze won 3-1 and became the esl pro league champion.If we look at the scores of the players in the team, we see that other players except karrigan got close kills.They all averaged 80 kills and put forward a good team game.Karrigan is not expected to get more kills, so I take it normal.He is really a good igl and shows it every time.In Cloud9, we see that ax1le and hobbit stand out in terms of score.I see that nafany and buster played badly.We can say that the Faze team deserved the match and won.

I was not able to watch this game because my internet connection was down. It could have been a fun game to watch. Faze starting strong this year again. It has been a while since I last saw Faze winning a tournament. It is good to see that they have found their rhythm again and started winning. I hope they can continue this and regain the number 1 spot again.

Congratulations to Faze for winning the ESL Pro League.

Faze played really well as a team and deservedly so. Thanks to a couple of previous tournament wins, they were able to pocket the grand slam prize of $1million. So with the tournament prize money they now have 1.2 million dollars. Karrigan is managing the team well and it is paying off. Faze will be back in the top 3 in the rankings after this tournament win. This is a great achievement for them.

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ATK vs MIBR tommorow with a standing 1 map advantage given to Mibr. Going on prior results and the large ranking between them, I think I will go for the quick finish bet on maps played with no maps won by ATK.
No maps and no matches lost for Mibr in last 6 games

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 26, 2023, 04:12:19 PM

Quote from: execijutiere on March 26, 2023, 03:43:10 PM

In the Faze-cloud9 match, Faze was the winner. Faze won 3-1 and became the esl pro league champion.If we look at the scores of the players in the team, we see that other players except karrigan got close kills.They all averaged 80 kills and put forward a good team game.Karrigan is not expected to get more kills, so I take it normal.He is really a good igl and shows it every time.In Cloud9, we see that ax1le and hobbit stand out in terms of score.I see that nafany and buster played badly.We can say that the Faze team deserved the match and won.

I was not able to watch this game because my internet connection was down. It could have been a fun game to watch. Faze starting strong this year again. It has been a while since I last saw Faze winning a tournament. It is good to see that they have found their rhythm again and started winning. I hope they can continue this and regain the number 1 spot again.

Congratulations to Faze for winning the ESL Pro League.

I couldn't watch the whole game. As soon as I looked, FaZe had won both maps. Only Faze could beat a team like Cloud9. Because in Cloud9, they played very strong games in this tournament and eliminated their opponents. Ropz contributes more and more every day, he is one of the players who improve himself the most. Thanks to this development, he remains an MVP player. All five players of the Faze team can individually win extra rounds, which is really nice. Each player can win the round by taking 3-4 kills unexpectedly.

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Quote from: ralle14 on March 25, 2023, 07:36:57 PM

I don't think it's about the patch as some of the teams already showed the effectiveness of some heroes after receiving certain nerfs. IMO it's simply the players underperforming individually because it's always punishing for the supports no matter how good they are when the cores can't put up a similar performance and the cores can easily offset that issue if it's just the supports but the bad part is that it's the whole team.

On top of that, WEU region is the toughest region out there. All teams are pretty much improved every season so a laid back team wont be able to stay on division 1 for sure. Fans were mocking Nigma when they were thrown to division 2 and now look what happens to OG, pretty sure that they are going to division 2 as well at this rate

Anyway I decided to take Tundra but I put another game from SEA region onto this as I think this is a potential over 2.5 maps game for these two teams

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Quote from: execijutiere on March 26, 2023, 03:43:10 PM

In the Faze-cloud9 match, Faze was the winner. Faze won 3-1 and became the esl pro league champion.If we look at the scores of the players in the team, we see that other players except karrigan got close kills.They all averaged 80 kills and put forward a good team game.Karrigan is not expected to get more kills, so I take it normal.He is really a good igl and shows it every time.In Cloud9, we see that ax1le and hobbit stand out in terms of score.I see that nafany and buster played badly.We can say that the Faze team deserved the match and won.

I was not able to watch this game because my internet connection was down. It could have been a fun game to watch. Faze starting strong this year again. It has been a while since I last saw Faze winning a tournament. It is good to see that they have found their rhythm again and started winning. I hope they can continue this and regain the number 1 spot again.

Congratulations to Faze for winning the ESL Pro League.

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Quote from: Eternad on March 25, 2023, 04:49:14 PM

Or are they even cooking at all? All I can see was this OG is just a bunch of kids that destined to be relegated on Division 2. Clearly Yuragi can’t carry the team while DM can’t do what ATF doing which is a secondary carry at all. The only player that performing well is BZM which do an amazing job but he alone can’t carry the team.

I don’t know what’s happening to Yuragi but he seems loss his confidence after multiple failure since ATF. Maybe ATF is the real carry of OG. There’s no way to recover this team unless Yuragi awaken on his deep sleep. This is not his original game during his initial sign up on OG.

I think when OG released Ammar, the adjustment was different. Look at Nigma, the transition was so quick and Sumail said that he's become flexible on his team and he's happy with that motion that's happening in that type of setup. It's true that OG needs to at least rebump what they've got and they are on the verge of losing this dpc season and get nothing from it. The spot might be better for another division 2 team and they just need to swap places and I agree with DTB that they might need to get to division 2 and extract all things needed to be done for them to get back stronger.

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Quote from: execijutiere on March 26, 2023, 03:43:10 PM

In the Faze-cloud9 match, Faze was the winner. Faze won 3-1 and became the esl pro league champion.If we look at the scores of the players in the team, we see that other players except karrigan got close kills.They all averaged 80 kills and put forward a good team game.Karrigan is not expected to get more kills, so I take it normal.He is really a good igl and shows it every time.In Cloud9, we see that ax1le and hobbit stand out in terms of score.I see that nafany and buster played badly.We can say that the Faze team deserved the match and won.

I had high hopes for Cloud9 given that two of them are in the top 20 players of 2022. Well, ax1le did perform well and sh1ro is kinda 50-50. They tried, but FaZe is just on another level this tournament and they really are deserving of the title of champions for ESL Pro League. I expected more, but that's the only shot they have. Was a bit short but hey, at least they managed to get into the finals compared to G2, one of the tournament favorites, that got dropped 2-0 by ENCE.

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In the Faze-cloud9 match, Faze was the winner. Faze won 3-1 and became the esl pro league champion.If we look at the scores of the players in the team, we see that other players except karrigan got close kills.They all averaged 80 kills and put forward a good team game.Karrigan is not expected to get more kills, so I take it normal.He is really a good igl and shows it every time.In Cloud9, we see that ax1le and hobbit stand out in terms of score.I see that nafany and buster played badly.We can say that the Faze team deserved the match and won.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 25, 2023, 05:06:21 PM

They were better when ATF was still with them. And now, nothing seems to work for them. I do not know if they are just bad because of the current META or if they have to restructure again. Nothing seems to be working for them.

I don't think it's about the patch as some of the teams already showed the effectiveness of some heroes after receiving certain nerfs. IMO it's simply the players underperforming individually because it's always punishing for the supports no matter how good they are when the cores can't put up a similar performance and the cores can easily offset that issue if it's just the supports but the bad part is that it's the whole team.

Also, the grand finals matchup on the ESL Pro League will be fun to watch, I want Cloud9 to win as I think they should be the favorites when they got better form compared to Faze but this bo5 format favors Faze with their wider map pool.

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Quote from: ralle14 on March 24, 2023, 07:54:26 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on March 24, 2023, 01:59:21 PM

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That would've been a good win if only OG delivered but I guess it's time to put them on the blacklist or fade them in their last two series.

That would have been insane if OG won and now Im actually confident to take Nigma -1.5 against OG considering how bad OG currently is, I havent check the odds yet but I think it would atleast 2.5. Anyway, imagine if OG ended up in 2nd division then Old G got into 1st division, that would be insane although both are not actually affiliated.

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Quote from: Eternad on March 25, 2023, 04:49:14 PM

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It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

Or are they even cooking at all? All I can see was this OG is just a bunch of kids that destined to be relegated on Division 2. Clearly Yuragi can’t carry the team while DM can’t do what ATF doing which is a secondary carry at all. The only player that performing well is BZM which do an amazing job but he alone can’t carry the team.

I don’t know what’s happening to Yuragi but he seems loss his confidence after multiple failure since ATF. Maybe ATF is the real carry of OG. There’s no way to recover this team unless Yuragi awaken on his deep sleep. This is not his original game during his initial sign up on OG.

For sure they have some things going on in the sidelines. They still are coached under Ceb albeit the dude not really a part of OG. They are still receiving some bits and pieces and for sure they're trying to make that work, but obviously it isn't amounting to anything. Yuragi and bzm used to be a deadly force that everyone respected, but it seems that they have taken it on the mellow side of things and are not performing like they used to.

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In the last map, faze won and was paired with c9 in the final. If we look at the performances on the last map, the mirage map, I see that all players in the faze team except karrigan got over 20 kills. This shows that karrigan is actually a good igl. She manages the team well. It is not very important to get kills. Faze played well as a team and they won. In general, the prominent players of the teams were twistzz and s1mple. Even though Karrigan is behind all players in kills, he manages the team well.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 25, 2023, 05:06:21 PM

Quote from: dbshck on March 25, 2023, 01:28:22 AM

Kinda impressed with NaVi's performance against Heroic last night. Too bad their bracket was so stacked, they have to face FaZe in the semis Cry

If they can beat FaZe, C9 or ENCE shouldn't be a problem.

They have taken Faze to the third map. Faze is leading 10-5 in the first half of the third map. But those 5 rounds are good enough once NAVI gets to CT side of Mirage. I think they have a good chance to get to the finals.

Quote from: dothebeats on March 25, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

They were better when ATF was still with them. And now, nothing seems to work for them. I do not know if they are just bad because of the current META or if they have to restructure again. Nothing seems to be working for them.

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Quote from: dothebeats on March 25, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

Or are they even cooking at all? All I can see was this OG is just a bunch of kids that destined to be relegated on Division 2. Clearly Yuragi can’t carry the team while DM can’t do what ATF doing which is a secondary carry at all. The only player that performing well is BZM which do an amazing job but he alone can’t carry the team.

I don’t know what’s happening to Yuragi but he seems loss his confidence after multiple failure since ATF. Maybe ATF is the real carry of OG. There’s no way to recover this team unless Yuragi awaken on his deep sleep. This is not his original game during his initial sign up on OG.

Yeah, ATF was too aggressive when he was with OG but at least it was working for them. Something must have changed within the organization because they are really playing very poorly this season.

I think the same and lately OG performances are really medium compared to last seasons of DPC or even last Majors so I do think there are changes inside the org that somehow affects the team or it could be just a coincidence and this patch simply don't fit them but I highly doubt it. Why ? well , OG are well know in Dota 2 scene for making quick adjustments and adapt for new patches. We can also speculate that old G did a rupture because of this and started a new team to grind for the bottom and they are currently sitting in Div 2 that is about to start next week I think. Cool

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Quote from: dbshck on March 25, 2023, 01:28:22 AM

Kinda impressed with NaVi's performance against Heroic last night. Too bad their bracket was so stacked, they have to face FaZe in the semis Cry

If they can beat FaZe, C9 or ENCE shouldn't be a problem.

They have taken Faze to the third map. Faze is leading 10-5 in the first half of the third map. But those 5 rounds are good enough once NAVI gets to CT side of Mirage. I think they have a good chance to get to the finals.

Quote from: dothebeats on March 25, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

They were better when ATF was still with them. And now, nothing seems to work for them. I do not know if they are just bad because of the current META or if they have to restructure again. Nothing seems to be working for them.

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Quote from: dothebeats on March 25, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

Or are they even cooking at all? All I can see was this OG is just a bunch of kids that destined to be relegated on Division 2. Clearly Yuragi can’t carry the team while DM can’t do what ATF doing which is a secondary carry at all. The only player that performing well is BZM which do an amazing job but he alone can’t carry the team.

I don’t know what’s happening to Yuragi but he seems loss his confidence after multiple failure since ATF. Maybe ATF is the real carry of OG. There’s no way to recover this team unless Yuragi awaken on his deep sleep. This is not his original game during his initial sign up on OG.

Yeah, ATF was too aggressive when he was with OG but at least it was working for them. Something must have changed within the organization because they are really playing very poorly this season.

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Quote from: dothebeats on March 25, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

Or are they even cooking at all? All I can see was this OG is just a bunch of kids that destined to be relegated on Division 2. Clearly Yuragi can’t carry the team while DM can’t do what ATF doing which is a secondary carry at all. The only player that performing well is BZM which do an amazing job but he alone can’t carry the team.

I don’t know what’s happening to Yuragi but he seems loss his confidence after multiple failure since ATF. Maybe ATF is the real carry of OG. There’s no way to recover this team unless Yuragi awaken on his deep sleep. This is not his original game during his initial sign up on OG.

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It's 1-1 in the important match of the day.
The Faze-Navi match is played on the decider map to determine the winner. Both teams won the maps of their choice comfortably and the match was extended to map 3. We have to say that S1mple played well today. While his teammates could not pass the 30 kill threshold, s1mple became the star of the team again by getting 48 kills. In Faze, it should be mentioned that twistzz got 40 kills.

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Quote from: l99l on March 25, 2023, 11:00:52 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on March 24, 2023, 07:54:26 PM

What a surprising win from Monaspa and OG with a disappointing performance as now they're the only team with one series win and potentially become the first team to get relegated unless they somehow find their footing in the next few days and beat both Team Nigma and Entity.

This might be a good spot to fade OG in their last two series as Team Nigma looked decent this week and Entity's wins are convincing enough to put them above OG.

Also, the odds are good on Team Liquid beating Tundra as it's now hovering around 1.78, I think it should go down even further as I don't see Tundra winning this series after that sloppy loss against Ooredoo.

Quote from: arallmuus on March 24, 2023, 01:59:21 PM

I need OG to win 2-0 as well next to win my acca. I got close to 9 odds with only two game on my acca which is pretty great

That would've been a good win if only OG delivered but I guess it's time to put them on the blacklist or fade them in their last two series.

They officially disbanded the OG team in the series. In the second of the series, OG seemed to pick things up. They have made successful gangs many times in the Jungle, but the game has turned against them again. Monaspa were confident, they pushed too hard in the middle line, so Monaspa was able to get back into the game and quickly took control and finished.

OG underperforming

The 1.78 odd looks really clean For Team Liquid, I'll take that into consideration.

It seems like whatever they're cooking in OG doesn't really work. It has been quite some time since they had their restructuring, but it still isn't working well for them. Maybe they need to go to Div 2 first and do all the hard work, the grind, and the rest of strategizing in there before they can join some majors and be in the first division yet again. They're lacking in a lot of things right now and it's worrying considering that they were performing okay when Chu was coaching and Misha was playing.

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Cloud9 managed to defeat their tough opponent ence. Ence eliminated vitality and g2 but couldn't eliminate cloud9. Ancient map was chosen by ence. Ence won the map he chose with a beautiful game. The second map was the overpass map chosen by cloud9. Playing ct side well, cloud9 turned the match and went to the decider map. On the decider map, cloud9 won and won the match. Nafany, ax1le and sh1ro got 65 kills. Interesting that all 3 players scored the same.

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Quote from: ralle14 on March 24, 2023, 07:54:26 PM

What a surprising win from Monaspa and OG with a disappointing performance as now they're the only team with one series win and potentially become the first team to get relegated unless they somehow find their footing in the next few days and beat both Team Nigma and Entity.

This might be a good spot to fade OG in their last two series as Team Nigma looked decent this week and Entity's wins are convincing enough to put them above OG.

Also, the odds are good on Team Liquid beating Tundra as it's now hovering around 1.78, I think it should go down even further as I don't see Tundra winning this series after that sloppy loss against Ooredoo.

Quote from: arallmuus on March 24, 2023, 01:59:21 PM

I need OG to win 2-0 as well next to win my acca. I got close to 9 odds with only two game on my acca which is pretty great

That would've been a good win if only OG delivered but I guess it's time to put them on the blacklist or fade them in their last two series.

They officially disbanded the OG team in the series. In the second of the series, OG seemed to pick things up. They have made successful gangs many times in the Jungle, but the game has turned against them again. Monaspa were confident, they pushed too hard in the middle line, so Monaspa was able to get back into the game and quickly took control and finished.

OG underperforming

The 1.78 odd looks really clean For Team Liquid, I'll take that into consideration.

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