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I didn't enjoyed the grand finals of The International 2022, honestly and that's because I want the grand finals go into 5 games. But not having doesn't means that I was disappointed.

Same here, even though I knew Tundra was going to win the experience wasn't similar to the lower bracket finals. Hopefully, Valve retains the LCQ format for the next TI since those slots weren't wasted and the teams gave us so much this tournament.

Right. They should retain the LCQ as it seems very competitive and we've seen how far the qualified teams from there. I also hope that there will be some changes like the defending champions already have the secured slot for the next TI.

I guess this has been suggested long time ago but Valve didn't obliged. Now that TI has ended, is anyone have the calls or rumors with the roster change of different teams?

T1 has already started with the departure of Xepher and Kuku. Liquid as well with the retirement of Matu. That's the only thing that's been confirmed by now. Reddit Dota doesn't seem to have any solid info yet regarding rumor transfers and roster changes so we'll see about that. One team I want to change for the better is Nigma. They should really remove Kuro as an active player and put him in a coach position or something. He doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times, not unlike Puppey who proved to us that he's still a worthy player even after playing for over a decade. Kuro might have been a good drafter in the past but with the recent games they are playing, it's best if Mind_control or someone else takes the place of a captain instead of him.

Well Matumbaman already won an aegis and it is a really big deal with and of course after he quit with the Team Liquid he choose to gain more experience into other teams and find out into team secret and back to team liquid because he wants to try again with other team members, and being secured with the top three already gain profit to him, but not too much in this Ti11 because the price pool is so low unlike the previous Ti events, Kuku and Whitemon is open for the new teams of course Topson and Ana wont let go by the T1 and preparing for the another dota tournament.

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Anyone else watching Rio Major? It'll be the main focus in the esports scene next month so it's pretty obvious that some people here will be following the Major Cool

couple of IEM Rio Major promos:

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https://blog.500.casino/iem-rio-promotion/

Best of luck today!

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Quote from: Trofo on October 30, 2022, 07:35:26 AM

So far Tundra looks flawless,

They're 2-0 right now and just 1 more win and they'll take home the aegis which will assure them with $8.4M for the champion of this year's the international.

Individual skills of each Tundra players are totally amazing and impressive. Honestly, they've already shown this potential IIRC, last year but they didn't qualify for TI.

Now, they're about to take that aegis with just 1 win away. It's hard for Team Secret as they've exhausted with games since yesterday.

True. The problem on Secret was Crystallis so passive on this game. We don't see any effect from him to carry his team mates. Nisha is the only true carry on this game but he can’t beat the solid Tundra solo. Crystallis and the rest should step up and improve there picks so that they can have better laning phase.

Team Liquid has a better chance to beat Tundra if they are the one who win on the semi. Smf.n

I'm not really impressed with most games of Crystallis, it's like that, they've been qualified together with him and Puppey has no choice but to play with him.

It's not going to be surprised within the next few days if he's going to be replaced by a real strong pos 1 player with good decision making and has a true impact on the team.

Nisha is amazing, and this is the reason why Puppey has kept him. With all of the roster of Team Secret, it's him and Nisha that has been together for so long.

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I didn't enjoyed the grand finals of The International 2022, honestly and that's because I want the grand finals go into 5 games. But not having doesn't means that I was disappointed.

Same here, even though I knew Tundra was going to win the experience wasn't similar to the lower bracket finals. Hopefully, Valve retains the LCQ format for the next TI since those slots weren't wasted and the teams gave us so much this tournament.

Right. They should retain the LCQ as it seems very competitive and we've seen how far the qualified teams from there. I also hope that there will be some changes like the defending champions already have the secured slot for the next TI.

I guess this has been suggested long time ago but Valve didn't obliged. Now that TI has ended, is anyone have the calls or rumors with the roster change of different teams?

T1 has already started with the departure of Xepher and Kuku. Liquid as well with the retirement of Matu. That's the only thing that's been confirmed by now. Reddit Dota doesn't seem to have any solid info yet regarding rumor transfers and roster changes so we'll see about that. One team I want to change for the better is Nigma. They should really remove Kuro as an active player and put him in a coach position or something. He doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times, not unlike Puppey who proved to us that he's still a worthy player even after playing for over a decade. Kuro might have been a good drafter in the past but with the recent games they are playing, it's best if Mind_control or someone else takes the place of a captain instead of him.

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Quote from: ralle14 on October 30, 2022, 05:39:01 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on October 30, 2022, 03:23:13 PM

I didn't enjoyed the grand finals of The International 2022, honestly and that's because I want the grand finals go into 5 games. But not having doesn't means that I was disappointed.

Same here, even though I knew Tundra was going to win the experience wasn't similar to the lower bracket finals. Hopefully, Valve retains the LCQ format for the next TI since those slots weren't wasted and the teams gave us so much this tournament.

Right. They should retain the LCQ as it seems very competitive and we've seen how far the qualified teams from there. I also hope that there will be some changes like the defending champions already have the secured slot for the next TI.

I guess this has been suggested long time ago but Valve didn't obliged. Now that TI has ended, is anyone have the calls or rumors with the roster change of different teams?

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 30, 2022, 08:07:53 PM

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Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

Unfortunately, Team Liquid was not able to get past Team Secret in the Lower Bracket Finals. They were outmatched in the draft and in skills by the cores and Puppey of Team Secret. It would be nice to watch Team Liquid against Tundra since they did not meet in the whole tournament. And we know that Secret have a very hard time to win against tundra even in the Group Stage or Upper Bracket. And Tundra will not expect Liquid to get to the finals, they could have upset Tundra if Matu and the team was able to get past Puppey.

I was also expecting that the championship game would be played between Tundra and Liquid. I guess it would have been a better match than Team Secret against Tundra. It was a one-sided battle all throughout. I was thinking that TI9 would somehow repeat with Liquid winning against each of its opponent in the lower bracket until it faces whichever team would be waiting in the championship match. But just like my prediction in the other thread, Tundra would probably still turn out as the champion.

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I won't be looking for too many surprises for tomorrow's Counter Strike matches. I'm planning to go through these matches. Team Vitality - Imperial 1
Cloud9 - Fnatic 1
BIG - FURIA 2

But I'm determined for two games. The most risky Cloud9 - Fnatic match, the teams that lost the last match, Team sprit and NIP, I will still prefer Cloud9.

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Quote from: arallmuus on October 30, 2022, 02:41:15 PM

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Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

Unfortunately, Team Liquid was not able to get past Team Secret in the Lower Bracket Finals. They were outmatched in the draft and in skills by the cores and Puppey of Team Secret. It would be nice to watch Team Liquid against Tundra since they did not meet in the whole tournament. And we know that Secret have a very hard time to win against tundra even in the Group Stage or Upper Bracket. And Tundra will not expect Liquid to get to the finals, they could have upset Tundra if Matu and the team was able to get past Puppey.

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Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

The minds combined of Heen and Puppey weren't able to counter what's on the minds of Tundra. In all of those three games, I didn't see any struggle in the picking of heroes of Tundra. And that's one of the best feats of being versatile and having a large hero pool. I've watched Tundra's interview and they're all agreeing of playing complex heroes and they don't argue with it as they have their own ways of playing Dota and those heroes that they'd like to play. Congrats to them, on the other hand, we have seen the last game of Matumbaman as he's now going into retirement.

Tundra like to play late game. All their carry are all late gamers, Chaos Knight, Naga, and Medusa. Even if Team secret was able to dominate them on Laning and early game, Tundra just needs to hit the timing on their carry and then take over the game. One thing I notice too is that Skiter is very quick on farming. Compared to Crystallis, Skiter was able to get his core items faster than Crystallis does. That is why when Tundra starts to initiate team fights, Crystallis is bullied.

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Quote from: arallmuus on October 30, 2022, 05:48:09 PM

Anyway, can someone enlighten me about this. So they are delaying the grand final to 6 more days after they did the same to the quarterfinals to semifinals phase huh. I dont see whats the point in it though, crowds are hype and why would you want to let it cool down when TI is already over so that literally means extra pair of eyes are going to focus on Worlds

https://i.imgur.com/3QWPu7C.png

They delay the matches in playoffs mostly to build hype. Some like it, some don't, but I understand why Riot does it, i mean, it's a whole week for build up around the most important LoL matches of the year, everyone talking about it and trying to predict what's gonna happen in a few days, it's fun Grin

plus, players need some rest after some really intense games, so...

DRX v Gen.G could be a quick 3-0 for Gen.G, game 1 was a bit of a stomp, tbh. Now DRX are off to terrible start in game 2 after giving up first blood.
*EDIT game 2 went to DRX and they're in a commanding position in game 3, they're popping off right now!

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Quote from: Boristhecat on October 30, 2022, 03:31:12 PM

The best LOL game I've seen lately and it's a shame that JDG didn't advance to the next stage.

Well in fact isnt it just better if T1 win this and gets to the grand final so Faker will have a shot on his 4th worlds. I totally would love him to win another one for sure and probably retire after this

Anyway, can someone enlighten me about this. So they are delaying the grand final to 6 more days after they did the same to the quarterfinals to semifinals phase huh. I dont see whats the point in it though, crowds are hype and why would you want to let it cool down when TI is already over so that literally means extra pair of eyes are going to focus on Worlds

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Quote from: sunsilk on October 30, 2022, 03:23:13 PM

I didn't enjoyed the grand finals of The International 2022, honestly and that's because I want the grand finals go into 5 games. But not having doesn't means that I was disappointed.

Same here, even though I knew Tundra was going to win the experience wasn't similar to the lower bracket finals. Hopefully, Valve retains the LCQ format for the next TI since those slots weren't wasted and the teams gave us so much this tournament.

Quote from: Boristhecat on October 30, 2022, 03:31:12 PM

The best LOL game I've seen lately and it's a shame that JDG didn't advance to the next stage.

It is unfortunate for JDG as they're the only LPL team remaining in the semis but at the same time, T1's individual performance was fun to watch specifically Zeus' Yone.

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I've checked out the odds for Major winner and the first three favourites for the championship are like this:

1. NaVi: 5.00
2. FaZe: 5.50
3. Vitality: 7.00

Even though the first two favourites have been silent for some time they are still the most credible teams by bookies. However I still can't be sure of the champion team to be one of these two truthfully. Both of them have made simple mistakes in the recent times and shown big weaknesses. Vitality are the most impressive team these days and they have had a solid breakthrough recently. I think that Vitality is worth betting on now for the championship. They are still in Challengers Stage maybe but I believe that they are strong enough to reach the finale in Major later on. Maybe we can see a Vitality - FaZe or Vitality - NaVi finale.

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Quote from: arallmuus on October 30, 2022, 02:41:15 PM

Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

The minds combined of Heen and Puppey weren't able to counter what's on the minds of Tundra. In all of those three games, I didn't see any struggle in the picking of heroes of Tundra. And that's one of the best feats of being versatile and having a large hero pool. I've watched Tundra's interview and they're all agreeing of playing complex heroes and they don't argue with it as they have their own ways of playing Dota and those heroes that they'd like to play. Congrats to them, on the other hand, we have seen the last game of Matumbaman as he's now going into retirement.

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Quote from: ralle14 on October 29, 2022, 06:11:43 PM

After that first game, it's definitely looking that way and I like how JDG is putting up so much pressure throughout on T1 and they're still willing to start a team fight even though they're outnumbered.

T1 tried to keep it close by picking off Hope a couple of times but the draft difference was showing on the side of JDG in the later stages of the game.

I watched the first game yesterday and went to bed (I chose to sleep before work haha) and was very surprised when I saw the score 3-1 in favor of T1 in the morning. The first game from JDG was absolutely brilliant - these team fights in the minority, this playing against T1 which had a baron, but they could not even come out ahead by 50 gold. The moment JDG saved Elder when they ended up in a teamfight seems like 2 vs 5, but ended up with 3 vs 4 kills and forced T1 to retreat. The best LOL game I've seen lately and it's a shame that JDG didn't advance to the next stage.

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I didn't enjoyed the grand finals of The International 2022, honestly and that's because I want the grand finals go into 5 games. But not having doesn't means that I was disappointed.

Tundra is such an unpredictable team, we saw this from Team Spirit and OG. All of teams have got their own playstyle that will make their opponents really crazy.

That was such as nice run from all the teams, congratulations to them and as well as the Team Secret. From the LCQ up to the grand finals, well done Puppey and the gang.

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 30, 2022, 11:27:03 AM

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 30, 2022, 12:57:23 PM

next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

You mean Puppey still can't get his second aegis since Puppey already won the Aegis in the first TI together with Dendi in Navi.

It is sad that Team Spirit was not able to defend their aegis and actually they were eliminated very early in the main stage. It could have been better if they were the one in the finals to defend their title but that is how e-sports is. Some time you are at the top, sometimes you are at the very bottom. Right now, they are at the bottom. Sadder thing is, I think team Spirit is having a roster change and torontotokyo is forming a new team. I just read it somewhere, but I do not know if that is true.

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Many people think too that team secret is the strongest team because they reach the lower position into upper bracket easily and after they face the tundra that's the reason why they go in the lower for me this Ti11 is one of the most saddest moment in the history of Dota, RNG cant play in the stage and Only xNova in the stage, next is the EG have a good performance still cant manage to secured with the top teams, next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

A lot of players are retiring after this TI. Somnus, Faith_bian and Matu are retiring. I think there is more I just could not remember everyone. Team Liquid has given Matu are good farewell. Coming from Last Chance Qualifier and ending in the Lower Bracket Finals, that is the most epic sendoff they could give. And they have given the most epic games in this TI as well. I think he is happy that he ended his DOTA career in a high note.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 30, 2022, 12:57:23 PM

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Team Secret can find the answer to Tundra. They have a total of 8 games against each other this TI and secret just won 1 game against them. That is very sad for them. After so many trial and error they still can't find the right combination to beat Tundra. They even switch heroes, Reso using Lesh. Still, they cannot sustain the early lead they have. They dominate early games but when mid game and late game comes, they are totally destroyed by Tundra. Their team fights are awful and uncoordinated. At one point, they one hero is going in while the others are backing out. I do not know their problem since they are on point in clashes against other teams in this tournament.

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Many people think too that team secret is the strongest team because they reach the lower position into upper bracket easily and after they face the tundra that's the reason why they go in the lower for me this Ti11 is one of the most saddest moment in the history of Dota, RNG cant play in the stage and Only xNova in the stage, next is the EG have a good performance still cant manage to secured with the top teams, next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

Well there are a lot of sad things about this year TI and I'm also sad about Matumbaman retire also when xNova showed in the stage alone with the proxy teddybears, It's the first time that it happened to TI and but yeah it's part of the tournament and I'm sure everyone will remember it. Though we shall move on and be happy about the successful outcome and happenings on the TI. I'm sure every team will comeback strong next year especially that most of the fans are upset. We should be happy and welcome the new hero Muerta!

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 30, 2022, 11:27:03 AM

Team Secret can find the answer to Tundra. They have a total of 8 games against each other this TI and secret just won 1 game against them. That is very sad for them. After so many trial and error they still can't find the right combination to beat Tundra. They even switch heroes, Reso using Lesh. Still, they cannot sustain the early lead they have. They dominate early games but when mid game and late game comes, they are totally destroyed by Tundra. Their team fights are awful and uncoordinated. At one point, they one hero is going in while the others are backing out. I do not know their problem since they are on point in clashes against other teams in this tournament.

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Many people think too that team secret is the strongest team because they reach the lower position into upper bracket easily and after they face the tundra that's the reason why they go in the lower for me this Ti11 is one of the most saddest moment in the history of Dota, RNG cant play in the stage and Only xNova in the stage, next is the EG have a good performance still cant manage to secured with the top teams, next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

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Quote from: Beparanf on October 30, 2022, 09:36:06 AM

I notice too how Tundra control the vision all over the map but Crystallis performance is different when they are facing other teams. His game drastically change when they are facing Tundra right after they got beaten on the Upper Bracket. He is too inferior against skitter on 1v1 while his presence doesn't give terror to Tundra supports since he is not commiting too much on clash unless he was caught off guard in the middle. He didn't properly use his song on there game and his game is very passive for a pos1.

You think he is passive because he can’t make a good position because Nine keeps checking all his supports that should help him to fight with sustain. No Pos1 can fight the whole team while the rest of his team mates is dying on the back. Check the video replay again and notice how 9 and 33 keeps punishing the supports of Secret. They are always outplayed in every game which result to very performance of Secret. Crystallis has no room to show explosive skills since Tundra hero always has a lockdown and engaging/disengaging through Mirana moonlight. Secret seems not paying attention to this and also they don't pick heroes that provides better vision.

Secret playstyle is just directly counter by Tundra and in fact Tundra is very strong on this tournament. Secret is just hype since they came from LCQ same with Liquid.

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