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Quote from: sunsilk on February 06, 2023, 05:25:30 AM

But as an individual, they have to do something when the situation isn't favorable on them and as you've said, has to be self sufficient. I'm seeing those type of carries and that's why I guess many of those good carries are easily being scouted and offered to transfer to another team.

I think what will be the most valuable asset of acquiring ramzes is the discipline and his experiences.

True, his experiences would surely matter to whichever team he will go to. But he really needs to learn the way of the new generation of carries. Watching the likes of Yuragi, Skiter, Yatoro, etc. you'll see that these guys know how to play the farming and fighting game simultaneously. Gone are the days of carries racing to the highest net worth. You just have to be involved in many fights, and that's what I haven't seen in Ramzes when he was a carry back then.

Is anyone watching IHC vs FaZe? Good back and forth and I think this is the most hyped game of the day. IHC is performing really well against top 10 teams very recently, and they're making FaZe look like not a tier 1 team.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 06:34:17 PM

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

I didn't really like the way Ramzes plays carry as he's quite inconsistent, and hopefully Secret changes that inconsistency into something worthwhile for him and the team.

With what I've watched on him before, I've got no problems with him on that position and have been idolizing him. But let's see that, there will be for sure new adjustments again.

If you watched him back then, you'll see that he's explosive when guarded by supports most of the laning phase, but kinda falls out when he's left behind. Now a lot of carries that you see are self-sufficient, and can create space for themselves when the going gets rough. Haven't seen that in Ramzes in his carry days so I beg to differ.

Yes, you're right. I remember that there have been matches that he's not that explosive at all and really has to rely on the team. The carries(pos 1) are also upgrading their game plays and won't just have to be reliant to their whole team.

But as an individual, they have to do something when the situation isn't favorable on them and as you've said, has to be self sufficient. I'm seeing those type of carries and that's why I guess many of those good carries are easily being scouted and offered to transfer to another team.

I think what will be the most valuable asset of acquiring ramzes is the discipline and his experiences.

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Quote from: jakelyson on February 05, 2023, 09:42:29 AM

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Lots of interesting matches in IEM Katowice today. Obviously, the match of the day will be G2 vs FaZe. Both teams looking strong and haven't lost a single match in 2023, topping their own group in BLAST Premier last week, so I expect this to be a close one.

The rest of the matches will likely be one-sided: Heroic should take on Complexity easily, the same as Cloud9 vs IHC, and Outsiders vs Fnatic.

Both Heroic and FNATIC matches went to a full series. They are both playing their 3rd map on Overpass. FNATIC currently leading with 9-6. FNATIC is playing very disciplined CS.

Yeah, I didn't expect that, especially IHC's 2-0 upset against Cloud9. Must be tough for them to get eliminated by IHC as both maps went on to the full 30 rounds (16-14). Curious about how high IHC's ceiling is, we'll see how they will perform against FaZe tomorrow.

Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

FaZe currently taking a beating against G2 in Ancient, 10-5. Broky, as usual, is spearheading the offensive for FaZe. Lots of good rounds for this man but simply isn't enough to convert it to wins due to G2's tight positioning on the map. Rooting for G2 but FaZe can probably get this map if they continue that great rotation of theirs.

Yep, G2 played really well. With this kind of performance, I'm sure they will take down NaVi in the Group A upper final.

For today's match I'm expecting an upset from Complexity against Mouz. The odds (2.80) is attractive IMO considering Mouz just lost to OG yesterday. As for the favorites, I'm placing a parlay on Liquid and Heroic for 2.64 odds.

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Quote from: ralle14 on February 05, 2023, 08:28:57 PM

Does anyone like Vitality ML @1.56 vs Fnatic? I don't trust the other teams playing later today since I think the odds of the other series should be more closer than 65-35. OG vs Heroic over 2.5 maps would've been a solid option if only their series was scheduled at the end of the day. I have no choice but to skip that series since I have this dota bet going on at the same time that series starts.

I am not taking part of that action but I am betting on these instead.

NIP vs Outsiders

I liked how Outsiders played yesterday. If they can carry that type of play against NIP, they have a chance to win this series.

Heroic vs OG

Heroic is just playing really good and I do not think OG can win against them.

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Dude, Daxak of HellRaisers helped the team to get qualified to the Lima major and then he'll be out for the Lima major and will be replaced by either ILTW or V tune. I don't know with these teams, why they're acting with the change of a player when they've been already qualified.
Too many players have experienced this shit even before, they helped their respective teams qualify for a major and then they'll be kicked out.
There's should be more than the policy that Valve should impose on this and must be on locked roster until the major finishes. A 20% reduction for the DPC points for the team isn't enough, there's should be a care for the mental health of the kicked players because they've got their contribution to the team's success during qualifiers.

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Does anyone like Vitality ML @1.56 vs Fnatic? I don't trust the other teams playing later today since I think the odds of the other series should be more closer than 65-35. OG vs Heroic over 2.5 maps would've been a solid option if only their series was scheduled at the end of the day. I have no choice but to skip that series since I have this dota bet going on at the same time that series starts.

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Quote from: sunsilk on February 05, 2023, 05:38:56 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

I didn't really like the way Ramzes plays carry as he's quite inconsistent, and hopefully Secret changes that inconsistency into something worthwhile for him and the team.

With what I've watched on him before, I've got no problems with him on that position and have been idolizing him. But let's see that, there will be for sure new adjustments again.

If you watched him back then, you'll see that he's explosive when guarded by supports most of the laning phase, but kinda falls out when he's left behind. Now a lot of carries that you see are self-sufficient, and can create space for themselves when the going gets rough. Haven't seen that in Ramzes in his carry days so I beg to differ.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

It's been months or maybe even a year since Ramzes held pos 1 in big tournaments. Also most of his recent games are on offlane as well. I wonder whether he's still updated on the carry meta or not, but for sure he knows how to counter most carries and he'll use that knowledge to adjust quite well in the position. I didn't really like the way Ramzes plays carry as he's quite inconsistent, and hopefully Secret changes that inconsistency into something worthwhile for him and the team.

Is it already confirmed that he will play with Team Secret? As far as I know, it is still a rumor, but nothing is confirmed yet. It is easier for him to adjust to mid lane since he got experience than the other current players of secret.

I've only seen the rumors of transfer in Twitter, and if it's on Twitter already, there's a high chance that it gets confirmed soon. There's no way Ramzes is gonna leave VP given that he's been with that team for a long time and for sure he's compensated properly. But if he wants to win then there's really no place to go except for Secret, and help carry that team to Div 1 yet again.

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I watched a very high level match today G2-FaZe match was really a match on a different level. I had research the odds before for this match, I wish I had done what I wanted. Odds were equal to 1.85 for both teams to prevent G2 on a rise. Even Hooxi was like a fragger in Ancient. In addition, they play this map so fluently and clearly that it was a pleasure to watch. Faze Clan was unable to counter on Ancient map after losing a close score on Nuke map.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

It's been months or maybe even a year since Ramzes held pos 1 in big tournaments. Also most of his recent games are on offlane as well. I wonder whether he's still updated on the carry meta or not, but for sure he knows how to counter most carries and he'll use that knowledge to adjust quite well in the position. I didn't really like the way Ramzes plays carry as he's quite inconsistent, and hopefully Secret changes that inconsistency into something worthwhile for him and the team.

Is it already confirmed that he will play with Team Secret? As far as I know, it is still a rumor, but nothing is confirmed yet. It is easier for him to adjust to mid lane since he got experience than the other current players of secret.

Quote from: CLS63 on February 05, 2023, 02:22:49 PM

There is a significant level of drop in Outsiders' performance recently.

After winning the Major they have started to be more complacent. Maybe they don't want to go tryhard for some time after reaching their biggest goal in the game. Or there are some problems with their current strategies. This time they have been beaten by fnatic in the IEM Katowice tournament. They have a second chance by lower bracket of course. But if they don't improve this effort I won't be surprised if they NIP also win against them. There is a new member in Outsiders roster named KaiR0N- though. First I thought maybe he would be the reason but he didn't play bad today.

But I still see the classic Outsider plays in this game. They are quick to adjust, and they know how to read their opponents. Just this time, they were beaten in overtime by FNATIC on their 3rd map. But it was a very close game. I think outsiders are still very competitive. But as you know in CS, everybody can beat you and you can beat everybody. Sometimes, there are just breaks in the game that can make or break you.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on February 04, 2023, 06:22:16 PM

Another adjustments for them then. Well, as an org, Team Secret is a good org and team so whoever is going to replace someone's position, it will be filled shortly.

Ramzes going back to pos 1? Hmmm, I have been a fan of his when he's playing that position before. I will wait for further announcements.

It's been months or maybe even a year since Ramzes held pos 1 in big tournaments. Also most of his recent games are on offlane as well. I wonder whether he's still updated on the carry meta or not, but for sure he knows how to counter most carries and he'll use that knowledge to adjust quite well in the position.

I'm sure that he's updated on the meta, he never stopped playing but just changed his role for the teams that he played with. IIRC, with one of his interviews whenever he's comfortable with the role he just want to play with it and switch as soon as possible.

So, if it's like this is the role that he wants to play again, I'm sure that he won't disappoint the team and all of his fans that has known him very well for this position since his stay with VP before.

Quote from: dothebeats on February 05, 2023, 12:47:48 PM

I didn't really like the way Ramzes plays carry as he's quite inconsistent, and hopefully Secret changes that inconsistency into something worthwhile for him and the team.

With what I've watched on him before, I've got no problems with him on that position and have been idolizing him. But let's see that, there will be for sure new adjustments again.

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Quote from: dimonstration on February 05, 2023, 12:44:22 PM

Puppy already accomplished winning TI so he is not that hungry anymore for that title compared to Nisha who doesn’t get that. I think he has the best shot on Liquid since his teammates share same hunger to win the TI just like him.

I don't think that Puppey is thinking like that, he's always been hungry to win another TI and he's been trying hard but up to the point that they've ended up 2nd last TI.

It was so close but yet unsuccessful.

And all of the players that are participating on these majors and minors, none of them would say that they're not hungry winning a TI title.

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There is a significant level of drop in Outsiders' performance recently.

After winning the Major they have started to be more complacent. Maybe they don't want to go tryhard for some time after reaching their biggest goal in the game. Or there are some problems with their current strategies. This time they have been beaten by fnatic in the IEM Katowice tournament. They have a second chance by lower bracket of course. But if they don't improve this effort I won't be surprised if they NIP also win against them. There is a new member in Outsiders roster named KaiR0N- though. First I thought maybe he would be the reason but he didn't play bad today.

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Quote from: sunsilk on February 04, 2023, 06:22:16 PM

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Just like what happened on their short fall on TI, people were talking about Crystallis as the weakest link in the team.

Latest rumours about this, Ramzes is going to replace him soon. I mean he is decent but he might not fit in that team and he has been pretty bad since last season with Secret

Ramzes has left his old team as well so probably they are finalizing the deal

Another adjustments for them then. Well, as an org, Team Secret is a good org and team so whoever is going to replace someone's position, it will be filled shortly.

Ramzes going back to pos 1? Hmmm, I have been a fan of his when he's playing that position before. I will wait for further announcements.

It's been months or maybe even a year since Ramzes held pos 1 in big tournaments. Also most of his recent games are on offlane as well. I wonder whether he's still updated on the carry meta or not, but for sure he knows how to counter most carries and he'll use that knowledge to adjust quite well in the position. I didn't really like the way Ramzes plays carry as he's quite inconsistent, and hopefully Secret changes that inconsistency into something worthwhile for him and the team.

Quote from: dbshck on February 04, 2023, 11:22:22 PM

Lots of interesting matches in IEM Katowice today. Obviously, the match of the day will be G2 vs FaZe. Both teams looking strong and haven't lost a single match in 2023, topping their own group in BLAST Premier last week, so I expect this to be a close one.

The rest of the matches will likely be one-sided: Heroic should take on Complexity easily, the same as Cloud9 vs IHC, and Outsiders vs Fnatic.

FaZe currently taking a beating against G2 in Ancient, 10-5. Broky, as usual, is spearheading the offensive for FaZe. Lots of good rounds for this man but simply isn't enough to convert it to wins due to G2's tight positioning on the map. Rooting for G2 but FaZe can probably get this map if they continue that great rotation of theirs.

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Quote from: jakelyson on February 05, 2023, 09:42:29 AM

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Besides it’s Nisha request to leave the team and they can’t do anything to stop it if the player itself wish it since it will affect players motivation if he is playing for the team that he already wants to leave. Team Secret has pretty good run since the wild card tournament to TI but they still fell short. I think Nisha spent most of his career on Team Secret without winning TI so I guess it’s normal for high caliber player to pursue different goal with other team.

And afaik it's Puppey that convinced him to stay longer.

That's true for most good players, whenever they can't get the best results possible they tend to move to a new team. At the same time though Team Secret had some misfortune midway through the season when Yapzor had to step down.

These players have only a short time that they can be really competitive. As they age, their mechanical skills will start to degrade. It is best to find a good team that can lead them to a title before that happens. Nisha made a good move going to Liquid. Hopefully, he would be able to help Liquid to secure a TI invitation later this year and eventually win a TI.

Agree on this. Miracle is the example for this case. He never leave Kuroky side after winning the TI7 even though he has a lot of potential to win more TI if he is on a much stronger team. Right now his health is already hurdle him to play more after so many years of competitive Dota. I guess Nisha made a good decision since he is an excellent mid laner while he is still young. Puppy already accomplished winning TI so he is not that hungry anymore for that title compared to Nisha who doesn’t get that. I think he has the best shot on Liquid since his teammates share same hunger to win the TI just like him.

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Quote from: ralle14 on February 04, 2023, 08:08:55 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on February 04, 2023, 10:05:34 AM

Besides it’s Nisha request to leave the team and they can’t do anything to stop it if the player itself wish it since it will affect players motivation if he is playing for the team that he already wants to leave. Team Secret has pretty good run since the wild card tournament to TI but they still fell short. I think Nisha spent most of his career on Team Secret without winning TI so I guess it’s normal for high caliber player to pursue different goal with other team.

And afaik it's Puppey that convinced him to stay longer.

That's true for most good players, whenever they can't get the best results possible they tend to move to a new team. At the same time though Team Secret had some misfortune midway through the season when Yapzor had to step down.

These players have only a short time that they can be really competitive. As they age, their mechanical skills will start to degrade. It is best to find a good team that can lead them to a title before that happens. Nisha made a good move going to Liquid. Hopefully, he would be able to help Liquid to secure a TI invitation later this year and eventually win a TI.

Quote from: dbshck on February 04, 2023, 11:22:22 PM

Lots of interesting matches in IEM Katowice today. Obviously, the match of the day will be G2 vs FaZe. Both teams looking strong and haven't lost a single match in 2023, topping their own group in BLAST Premier last week, so I expect this to be a close one.

The rest of the matches will likely be one-sided: Heroic should take on Complexity easily, the same as Cloud9 vs IHC, and Outsiders vs Fnatic.

Both Heroic and FNATIC matches went to a full series. They are both playing their 3rd map on Overpass. FNATIC currently leading with 9-6. FNATIC is playing very disciplined CS.

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Lots of interesting matches in IEM Katowice today. Obviously, the match of the day will be G2 vs FaZe. Both teams looking strong and haven't lost a single match in 2023, topping their own group in BLAST Premier last week, so I expect this to be a close one.

The rest of the matches will likely be one-sided: Heroic should take on Complexity easily, the same as Cloud9 vs IHC, and Outsiders vs Fnatic.

Quote from: CLS63 on February 04, 2023, 02:49:42 PM

Natus Vincere seem strong in the main tournament, IEM Katowice 2023. They defeated Cloud9 by a reassuring 2-0 score in total. Especially their performance on Inferno was very impressive. s1mple was also impressive on this map. Some of his AWP shots reminded me of his prime time. It is good to see him getting stronger again because the team need his carrying skills as it seems.

They might be likely to face G2 once again this time here in the upper final. If this really happens I wonder whether they will let G2 win once again. Because they have a quite bad record against them recently.

Yeah Navi should be able to defeat Liquid easily tonight and go to the upper-bracket final. Not entirely sure who they will face there as both G2 and FaZe are in their prime, but I'm going to put my money on G2. If that's the case, hopefully, Navi will put up a good fight and not get 2-0'ed again like the last two times in BLAST Premier Cry

I really wish they would just bring back Boombl4, IMO they really need a strong IGL.

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Quote from: jakelyson on February 04, 2023, 03:20:10 PM

I hope you did not make a bet because Ehome played perfectly tonight. They know their winning conditions and executed it perfectly. They finished the series 2-0.

Luckily, I did avoid that match as the other bookies weren't offering any markets and I just decided to go for some league bets.

Quote from: dimonstration on February 04, 2023, 10:05:34 AM

Besides it’s Nisha request to leave the team and they can’t do anything to stop it if the player itself wish it since it will affect players motivation if he is playing for the team that he already wants to leave. Team Secret has pretty good run since the wild card tournament to TI but they still fell short. I think Nisha spent most of his career on Team Secret without winning TI so I guess it’s normal for high caliber player to pursue different goal with other team.

And afaik it's Puppey that convinced him to stay longer.

That's true for most good players, whenever they can't get the best results possible they tend to move to a new team. At the same time though Team Secret had some misfortune midway through the season when Yapzor had to step down.

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Quote from: arallmuus on February 03, 2023, 10:05:55 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on February 03, 2023, 07:44:17 AM

Just like what happened on their short fall on TI, people were talking about Crystallis as the weakest link in the team.

Latest rumours about this, Ramzes is going to replace him soon. I mean he is decent but he might not fit in that team and he has been pretty bad since last season with Secret

Ramzes has left his old team as well so probably they are finalizing the deal

Another adjustments for them then. Well, as an org, Team Secret is a good org and team so whoever is going to replace someone's position, it will be filled shortly.

Ramzes going back to pos 1? Hmmm, I have been a fan of his when he's playing that position before. I will wait for further announcements.

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Quote from: CLS63 on February 04, 2023, 02:49:42 PM

Natus Vincere seem strong in the main tournament, IEM Katowice 2023. They defeated Cloud9 by a reassuring 2-0 score in total. Especially their performance on Inferno was very impressive. s1mple was also impressive on this map. Some of his AWP shots reminded me of his prime time. It is good to see him getting stronger again because the team need his carrying skills as it seems.

They might be likely to face G2 once again this time here in the upper final. If this really happens I wonder whether they will let G2 win once again. Because they have a quite bad record against them recently.

It would be pretty traumatic for s1mple to lose against G2 yet another time. These teams have the best rivalry between teams so far but it's kinda one-sided for the last few maps since G2 took all of them in a very convincing fashion. Well, G2 is the team to beat right now on most tournaments, and m0nesy seems to be improving more and more as time goes by. I'd say his AWP skills are getting refined little by little and just when you thought there's nothing more to improve, he basically just proves us wrong.

I want to see more of G2 and Na'Vi in the big stages. Na'Vi really needs to redeem themselves especially electronic who seem to be exerting a lot more effort on his IGLing for this team.

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Quote from: ralle14 on February 03, 2023, 08:11:33 PM

XG 2-0 seems tempting against EHOME for the tiebreakers but it's unfortunate that Stake only offers match winner for now.

I hope you did not make a bet because Ehome played perfectly tonight. They know their winning conditions and executed it perfectly. They finished the series 2-0.

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Team secret I guess makes a mistake that they release Nisha just for Crystalis even though they have a good draft still lacking with the communications and responses in every clash, and seems like the Team Liquid is the new coming team again for the Ti currently those are preparing for the Majors.

Boom is the one who replaced Nisha in their roster since Crystallis is their pos1 even if Nisha is still on Team Secret roster. Besides it’s Nisha request to leave the team and they can’t do anything to stop it if the player itself wish it since it will affect players motivation if he is playing for the team that he already wants to leave. Team Secret has pretty good run since the wild card tournament to TI but they still fell short. I think Nisha spent most of his career on Team Secret without winning TI so I guess it’s normal for high caliber player to pursue different goal with other team.

And I think NIsha made the right move going to Team Liquid. They are killing it right now dominating WEU, one of the strongest region in DOTA. It is still too early to tell but they look promising to take the TI this season. I am excited to see how they will perform in Lima Major going against the top teams of other regions.

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