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Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

If you're looking for the toughest regions, you'll be looking at Southeast Asia (SEA), China, and West Europe. These are the hardest regions to thrive in as a pro team, especially WEU given how many pros are concentrated on that particular region and how good the organizations are. China, you are looking at organizations that are basically just giving points to each other depending on the tournament for them to get the best teams on TI. SEA, well, they aren't really the best region, but the skill level of the teams in this region are basically on par with each other that's why the qualifiers are always hard to decide which team will pop off and which ones will play poorly.

Thanks, yeah I would have guessed China and Japan or Korea though, I had no idea SEA is pro (I know they play a lot but I always assumed it's just a cultural thing with cybercafes and all that). Chinese teams giving points to each other is allowed? Haha.

Koreans never had that much interest in Dota 2 since they are more focused on League and Starcraft at the time. The only Korean team I knew of that has somewhat become successful is MVP with DuBu. Even I am quite surprised that in an RTS as complex as Dota 2, the Koreans aren't excelling that much. China, on the other hand, have focused more on Dota 2 instead of League, and they're the ones whom the rest of the world are looking at when they're looking at new strategies on new patches.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 01, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

If only for normal matches it is more difficult to determine who will win and there is still a big possibility that a team that is initially at the bottom and not too popular can become a winner but for big tournaments like TI then it is clear that only big teams who are strong and already popular will win.
We can predict which team will win the Dota match by looking at the heroes and items used by each team because both have an important role in a team winning the match.
But keep in mind that you must always be careful when analyzing matches.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on July 01, 2023, 09:55:10 AM

Quest beat Team Secret on the Riyadh Master qualifiers that makes this team a silent beast on this tournament because this is their first Tier 1 tournament appearance but the roster is definitely full of experienced players with high level play.

For the record, Team Secret MENA was literally a put together team that was purposely made to participate in MENA Qualifiers so yeah they wouldnt do be a threat to Quest that actually made it to top 4 in division 1 DPC

Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

Holy shit I just read the last page and didn't understand anything. It looks like arallmuus is a secret DOTA expert also, now I know if I ever promote back to BSFL in Division 1 to watch out for him.

Well I do have a solid record on Esports related question on BSFL though but yeah Im not really good at it. If you are looking for someone for tips for the next BSFL esports question then I'd suggest taking opinion from @ralle14 and Trofo

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Quote from: bangjoe on July 01, 2023, 09:29:04 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 01, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

This kind of thing is definitely happening, many teams out there who have the same ability to be the same as proplayer or even they are stronger than the pro player who always follows the tournament and then the surface and surprise many teams that have long been working on Esport Dota.
And or the unknown team, it has already seen how the pattern of games that are often used by the famous team so that they have a gap to defeat even big teams, this returns to the macro and micro skills of players and gameplay analysis on their opponents.
For fans of this MOBA game with a shocking team's arrival like that certainly makes it exciting and interesting to watch, but for bettors for us it makes us confused to force beting or just watching, because the probability is 50:50. Grin

Quest team is not an unknown team because it keeps winning lower tier tournament and ATF is playing pos 3 on this team. Quest beat Team Secret on the Riyadh Master qualifiers that makes this team a silent beast on this tournament because this is their first Tier 1 tournament appearance but the roster is definitely full of experienced players with high level play.

I'm really surprised when I do background check on this team right after their solid performance against GG.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 01, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

This kind of thing is definitely happening, many teams out there who have the same ability to be the same as proplayer or even they are stronger than the pro player who always follows the tournament and then the surface and surprise many teams that have long been working on Esport Dota.
And or the unknown team, it has already seen how the pattern of games that are often used by the famous team so that they have a gap to defeat even big teams, this returns to the macro and micro skills of players and gameplay analysis on their opponents.
For fans of this MOBA game with a shocking team's arrival like that certainly makes it exciting and interesting to watch, but for bettors for us it makes us confused to force beting or just watching, because the probability is 50:50. Grin

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Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

I had no idea SEA is pro (I know they play a lot but I always assumed it's just a cultural thing with cybercafes and all that).

Yes, there are pro teams in SEA and they're known as well but compared to the other regions, they're now like the weakest region - sad but true.

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Chinese teams giving points to each other is allowed? Haha.

That's not allowed but the organizers barely notice that but it's like a conspiracy.

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 30, 2023, 03:23:42 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

If you're looking for the toughest regions, you'll be looking at Southeast Asia (SEA), China, and West Europe. These are the hardest regions to thrive in as a pro team, especially WEU given how many pros are concentrated on that particular region and how good the organizations are. China, you are looking at organizations that are basically just giving points to each other depending on the tournament for them to get the best teams on TI. SEA, well, they aren't really the best region, but the skill level of the teams in this region are basically on par with each other that's why the qualifiers are always hard to decide which team will pop off and which ones will play poorly.

Thanks, yeah I would have guessed China and Japan or Korea though, I had no idea SEA is pro (I know they play a lot but I always assumed it's just a cultural thing with cybercafes and all that). Chinese teams giving points to each other is allowed? Haha.

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

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Today and tomorrow is the semi and grand finals of the Lorgar Cup 2023 with some not so popular European teams. As I am not really familiar with the teams playing there I probably won't be placing any bets on the three matches. Instead I am focusing on the Blast Premier Fall Group Stage which is starting on Thursday and Friday next week. Already with the first game there will be Vitality playing against Evil Geniuses which is going to be a save win for Vitality. The second match with NiP vs Complexity is going to be more close, but should be won by NiP over 3 maps. On the second day we have Heroic vs BIG, which is another one sided match for Heroic as it's currently the strongest team in CSGO. NaVi is going to play against the new Astralis roster, which doesn't have any experience playing together, so NaVi should take that match without any problems. And the last match of the day will be FaZe vs OG, which should be won by FaZe without much trouble. It some exciting games coming up next week with quite a few strong teams having the chance to dominate in the first qualifications.

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Quote from: Trofo on June 29, 2023, 07:23:38 AM

What a game between GG and Quest, over 120 minutes, back and forth. Rapiers lying around the map and nobody even having slots to fit them in... Never watched something like this before. And it was my first game in Bali Major

Hopefully rest of them will deliver as well.

it's really impressive especially when the Quest team is strengthened by Medusa who uses the Divine Rapier and is supported by a Silencer which makes the Quest even stronger. on the other hand GG using Bloodseeker was a failure because it was very difficult when Medusa and Silencer tried to counter Bloodseeker.
what's even worse is when Medusa was given the Divine Rapeir item, this made it difficult for the GG team to defeat the domination of the Quest. even though every player has used BKB items to counter Medusa, in fact Medusa always arrives slower when the BKB duration is up Medusa will perform Ultimate on GG players.

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Quote from: dbshck on July 01, 2023, 12:08:17 AM

It's official! Navi made the announcement yesterday, revealing their new lineup. Aleksib, iM, and jL will be joining the team, replacing Electronic, Perfecto, and npl. I'm glad to see that they've brought in a proper IGL. Also, iM's impressive 1.35 rating in the last major makes his inclusion a great choice. I can't wait to see their performance in the upcoming Blast Fall group. Hopefully, Aleksib can bring the most out of this star-studded roster.

It was understood from the performance shown in the last tournaments that s1mple was not satisfied with the roster and NaVi was going to make a good change.NaVi is now building a very good roster with these 3 changes.s1mple and b1t are already the best of the team and the addition of the recent form players jL and iM can be a step towards becoming a superpower for them.I think they have a very strong roster and they can do a good job under the leadership of Aleksib.

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Quote from: LGD2Business on June 29, 2023, 11:22:16 AM

Meanwhile, NAVI has formed a new team and they are going to have a special show match with Team Vitality. This match will be played on July 8th. This match will also be good to see the latest status of the teams.
Match announcement: https://twitter.com/ggbet_en/status/1674377438250381312

It's official! Navi made the announcement yesterday, revealing their new lineup. Aleksib, iM, and jL will be joining the team, replacing Electronic, Perfecto, and npl. I'm glad to see that they've brought in a proper IGL. Also, iM's impressive 1.35 rating in the last major makes his inclusion a great choice. I can't wait to see their performance in the upcoming Blast Fall group. Hopefully, Aleksib can bring the most out of this star-studded roster.

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Mouz started to renew their roster after failures.I wonder who MOUZ will include in the squad after parting ways with JDC and dexter respectively.Dexter was already a really inadequate player for this team and I didn't expect him to get so much time in the team. maybe they can promote 2 people from the youth team to the main team again, but this may not be a move that will increase their success, so I think they will choose among the players who are currently available.

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

If you're looking for the toughest regions, you'll be looking at Southeast Asia (SEA), China, and West Europe. These are the hardest regions to thrive in as a pro team, especially WEU given how many pros are concentrated on that particular region and how good the organizations are. China, you are looking at organizations that are basically just giving points to each other depending on the tournament for them to get the best teams on TI. SEA, well, they aren't really the best region, but the skill level of the teams in this region are basically on par with each other that's why the qualifiers are always hard to decide which team will pop off and which ones will play poorly.

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

Holy shit I just read the last page and didn't understand anything. It looks like arallmuus is a secret DOTA expert also, now I know if I ever promote back to BSFL in Division 1 to watch out for him.

I thought I will try to come in here and get some tips next time around since you all seem to know what you're talking about.

I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

Yeah, one of the most active here if not the best. So there are DOTA 2 questions in the tournament? Would've loved to join the tournament but it'll mess up my sleep. Cheesy

In DOTA 2 there are only 6 regions. North America, South America, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, China, and Southeast Asia. A team can have players from different regions. There are a lot of Indonesian players from different teams but unluckily there are none of them able to qualify for this Bali major which is the last of the 3 majors this season. The final event of this season will be this coming month of October, known as The International.

Current rankings (site is also very helpful if you want to track E-sports): https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2023/Rankings

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Holy shit I just read the last page and didn't understand anything. It looks like arallmuus is a secret DOTA expert also, now I know if I ever promote back to BSFL in Division 1 to watch out for him.

I thought I will try to come in here and get some tips next time around since you all seem to know what you're talking about.

I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

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Quote from: Balmain on June 29, 2023, 08:53:34 AM

How will he fit into the FlameZ Vitality roster. Do you think FlameZ can adapt new team Vitality? FlameZ is a pretty good EntryFragger player in my opinion. It's a pretty good point in terms of leaving OG and building a career.

FlameZ is a pretty good EntryFragger player in my opinion. It's a pretty good point in terms of leaving OG and building a career. Vitality moved very quickly in the FlameZ transfer, it was an aggressive transfer. I think he will fit in, he has another friend from his own country in the team, this great advantage will not feel too foreign to him.

Dupreeh is currently inactive, let's see if he will become the sixth player or sign another team. Danish legendary player.

For those who want to review statistics. Valid data is not bad according to an entryfragger player.

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlueDullHorseradishSaltBae-5o6aik75H5b8FCaP

Jumping from the Palace on the Mirage map in this scene. It's awesome that he hits two connector players on his way to take ct.

Source : https://www.hltv.org/news/36536/stat-check-how-will-flamez-fit-into-vitality

Spinx is a player from the same country and I think he will do his best to help his new teammate adapt to the team faster.FlameZ is a young and talented player, so I think he will get used to the team quickly, even if it is difficult at first.He has increased himself in terms of performance in the OG team in a very good way and has managed to enter the transfer list of other teams.I think Vitality's recruitment of him instead of dupreeh is a good move for Vitality and we can easily say that Vitality has become stronger in terms of firepower.
Dupreeh's only achievement is that he participated in all the majors.Now that the last major of CS:GO is over and they have won, maybe he might think about retiring.Or he might think about forming a casual team with his former teammates who left astralis.Time will tell us.Currently xyp9x,gla1ve and dupreeh stand out as the Danish players who are available.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 29, 2023, 05:45:05 AM

I think the main problem wouldnt be that because the next TI qualifier is approaching and iirc only team registered in division 1 and 2 gets to play in the qualifiers which means Alliance wont be able to get their shot on the next qualifier. Well not that Im expecting them to win but atleast they get a shot at it but now they couldnt though

They might be included if Valve decides to apply the previous system of the qualifiers because it'll be based on the placements they get during Tour 3 (from 1st to 8th). Anyway, I also don't expect them to win one of the two qualifier spots that's why i'm more focused on them getting a new player (or more) for the next season.

Quote from: boltz on June 29, 2023, 12:38:57 PM

Crazy first day in Dota 2 Bali Major right ? Teams who were expect to perform they are not performing and vice-versa. I think the worst team right now in this major might by EG but they are already qualified for TI so I suppose testing some strategies here and there will do them good in long term but for bettors...oh , they lost a lot today as I saw Twitch chat going nuts on EG.

I guess their midlaner Chris Luck or C Smile still hasn't recovered from Dreamleague because he's been performing inconsistently when I watch their games.

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Quote from: boltz on June 29, 2023, 12:38:57 PM

Crazy first day in Dota 2 Bali Major right ? Teams who were expect to perform they are not performing and vice-versa. I think the worst team right now in this major might by EG but they are already qualified for TI so I suppose testing some strategies here and there will do them good in long term but for bettors...oh , they lost a lot today as I saw Twitch chat going nuts on EG.

Then , I said a week ago that Liquid was sand bagging so hard in DreamLeague season 20 and literally they had no desire to play dota but in this Major , Liquid slowly but surely are doing TI drafts already with some crazy strategies based on universal heroes so eyes on their drafts because they can offer a lot of intel for TI drafts. Cool

I don't think either of those teams are trying out TI strategies. There might be a minor patch after the Lima Major so probably that would disrupt things as they are right now. Maybe they know that it's just the first day and they want to measure some strategies that they have for the Major on the first teams that they will be matched with. Usually in these teams, they suddenly play well when the groups are already arranged, so assuming that this is what they're doing, it's safe to say that it's not that bad to bet on draws for all the matches for Day 1 and you'll still come out even or with some profit.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 29, 2023, 05:45:05 AM

So anyone else ended up getting all draws for 16 games today as well?

So this ended up with 8 draws for the day which is pretty decent because most of the draws got over 2x odds and one of it ended up with 3.2x

Kudos to Nouns for getting this draw therefore I got slight profit from betting all draws. Taking another shot tomorrow except for 9p vs Nouns, I took 9p to win against Nouns in this match

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Crazy first day in Dota 2 Bali Major right ? Teams who were expect to perform they are not performing and vice-versa. I think the worst team right now in this major might by EG but they are already qualified for TI so I suppose testing some strategies here and there will do them good in long term but for bettors...oh , they lost a lot today as I saw Twitch chat going nuts on EG.

Then , I said a week ago that Liquid was sand bagging so hard in DreamLeague season 20 and literally they had no desire to play dota but in this Major , Liquid slowly but surely are doing TI drafts already with some crazy strategies based on universal heroes so eyes on their drafts because they can offer a lot of intel for TI drafts. Cool

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