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Quote from: boltz on July 09, 2023, 01:05:04 PM

So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

OG manage to do this kind of Major Streak during their 2016 roster but they failed to win the TI that time. I think OG keeps dominating Majors tournament from 2015 to 2017 that time without winning any single TI until the Roster with Ana & Topson which they aren't winning Majors but keep winning TI. Yeah only Wings manage to have a flawless game on their era and no team repeat that kind of run until now.

I thought GG will choke on the DreamLeague tournament but they manage to bounce back and win the tournament which is a proof that they are not a choker team.

Fun fact: They keep defeating Team Liquid on all of their Major Tournament wins in the finals. Cheesy

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 09, 2023, 09:40:21 AM

Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on July 08, 2023, 10:48:54 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.
(....)

Without Pure on their roster, it's not good. We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series. The chemistry on the team is nothing if they are not complete, that's how they play, they already build relationship to each other while playing, and they already know each other.

But still, TI is 2 or 3 months away. They can still find someone who can fill the role and do some scrims or random games with that guy to get something going for the team. If anyone is to be blamed, it is Pure for doing all the bs and disrespect in official Valve tournaments. BetBoom wouldn't be in a position they are in right now if only Pure didn't do his antics, first at the start of the Ukraine invasion, and second the stream sniping during an official game.

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So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 09, 2023, 10:49:22 AM

Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

I'm not updated on what's gonna happened but is there still a way for Exe to get some dpc points? Riyadh Master is the only tournament available which doesn't include DPC points to the winner. Am I missing something?

They already secured their spot since the teams that can potentially get their spot that time is Aster and Quest(that needs to go on grand finals) that both fall short on the tournament. Valve doesn’t officially announce it yet but Betboom is already get that last spot based on the total DPC points accumulated. Execration was eliminated at the group stage that makes them not qualified anymore even the time Betboom disqualified.

FYI, Pure is just pos 3 and not pos 1

Thanks for the explanation and correction. I thought Pure was Position 1 since I’m always reading his name on comment. I still doesn’t watch fight of Betboom with their new roster though.

I become confused about the discussion above on the possbility of Exe to get the last spot on TI for direct invite since I thought that Betboom will have some sort of penalty that will decrease their DPC points due to Pure violation. Good to know that their ban is only for the Majors.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

I'm not updated on what's gonna happened but is there still a way for Exe to get some dpc points? Riyadh Master is the only tournament available which doesn't include DPC points to the winner. Am I missing something?

They already secured their spot since the teams that can potentially get their spot that time is Aster and Quest(that needs to go on grand finals) that both fall short on the tournament. Valve doesn’t officially announce it yet but Betboom is already get that last spot based on the total DPC points accumulated. Execration was eliminated at the group stage that makes them not qualified anymore even the time Betboom disqualified.

FYI, Pure is just pos 3 and not pos 1

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.
(....)

Without Pure on their roster, it's not good. We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series. The chemistry on the team is nothing if they are not complete, that's how they play, they already build relationship to each other while playing, and they already know each other.

Luckily, The ban is only limited on Bali Major and not on the TI. Betboom can still participate on TI with Pure on the line-up. I believe the Bali Major ban is enough punishment since they almost got robbed with their TI spot after Pure ban since they losed their secure DPC point after beating Tundra that time while Quest is having a good run that time which endanger their TI spot.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on July 08, 2023, 10:48:54 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.
(....)

Without Pure on their roster, it's not good. We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series. The chemistry on the team is nothing if they are not complete, that's how they play, they already build relationship to each other while playing, and they already know each other.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 08, 2023, 10:48:54 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.

I'm not updated on what's gonna happened but is there still a way for Exe to get some dpc points? Riyadh Master is the only tournament available which doesn't include DPC points to the winner. Am I missing something?

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Endpoint managed to fill the place of Fessor and mhL who left the team.Endpoint, who transferred both AZUWU and sl3nd, seems to have replaced their outgoing players with these transfers.Both players are young and talented players.
NEKIZ joined the 00Nation team.Such a transfer instead of TACO will increase the power of the 00Nation team.TACO was inadequate and this was very obvious in the game.Now, if we look at it in terms of firepower, we can say that they are getting stronger.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

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Crazy show matches (to test new CS2 dynamics imo), old VP duo Pasha and NEO manage to make the most of Nuke vs former world champs Faze. Thats a hard comeback for guys closer to 40 then 30, reactions must surely slow at that age. Old VP were always decent on Nuke or maybe its just an upset map. Not sure we can read in too much.
Not sure what is occurring with the details of the Navi game but these type of games are practice more then anything else.

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** s1mple and ZywOo swap teams during this match.

I guess that makes things interesting some.

My take is to expect higher volatility and also more 3 maps played as CS2 being different dynamics is enough upset to pro teams to alter the balance of play and put us more into the unknown outcomes.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on July 08, 2023, 05:25:09 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 11:25:08 AM

Meanwhile Betboom made it to TI somehow

Not yet sure with that, waiting for Valve's decision if there's a penalty and minus points for BetBoom.

There probably wont be any additional penalty for Betboom because the team gained 0 DPC points from this Major so its kinda weird to punish the whole team just because a player did some stupid stream sniping. The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

Valve isn't really letting anyone off the hook for the most part, but they don't punish the team for an individual's doing either. I think it's enough to ban Pure for a long time and let BetBoom look for his replacement. Heck, they still have 3 more months to do that, and I think they can do that. As for Pure, well he's got problems in his attitude even though he's definitely a good offlane player. Such a waste of talent being eaten by ego or whatever the hell is going on with his mind.

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Quote from: sunsilk on July 08, 2023, 05:25:09 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 11:25:08 AM

Meanwhile Betboom made it to TI somehow

Not yet sure with that, waiting for Valve's decision if there's a penalty and minus points for BetBoom.

There probably wont be any additional penalty for Betboom because the team gained 0 DPC points from this Major so its kinda weird to punish the whole team just because a player did some stupid stream sniping. The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 11:25:08 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on July 06, 2023, 07:10:29 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 06, 2023, 03:23:19 PM

Im not even sure if the team will terminate his contract after this foollish thing that he had done

Their rulebook did mention that he could be banned for five years and maybe Valve will be the one to give the punishment after the major.

I wonder what Valve is going to do but his career is definitely over this time. He was also kicked out of VP before for drawing Z on the minimap which shows support for Russian invasion like a year ago. A talented young player but seems to be abit problematic for sure and he might have been doing this type of stream sniping throughout his entire career though. God knows he could do that in DPC for sure

Meanwhile Betboom made it to TI somehow

So who's going to replace Pure? They really need to get someone that matches the offlane's gameplay, or at least more aggressive while also survivable since Pure is doing a lot on that department before the stream sniping incident. There are a few names I can think of that are currently free agents, although I'm not sure about the ruling of Valve regarding adding new players to the roster a few months before the event. They can still scout for some talented pubstars out there, though. They still have time after Bali major - lots of it.

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Quote from: Beparanf on July 08, 2023, 10:20:39 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on July 08, 2023, 09:44:15 AM

Quest almost had it.

If Ammar did just focused on their objective to just destroy the T3 tower, it would have ended well for them. But Team Liquid did a come back, gg and well played for both teams.

Ammar is a double edge sword player, He is good when he is on the zone but he is bad too when the game is not favoring on his team. He is easy to become carried away on clash and become arrogant just because his hero has an early advantage. Quest already got the game when they won their last clash with Aegis until Ammar just pick off during their high grounds just because he is greedy on getting Liquid supports in the backline instead of playing safe by destroying that T3 tower.

I think that he was tilted during that time, it's known that he's easy to get flamed. All of his games, he has dominated his lane but it's not just all about winning the lane but winning the game.

Quote from: Beparanf on July 08, 2023, 10:20:39 AM

On the other hand. Zai is doing a great job pressuring all lanes when they are still behind gold and when they lose team fights. This is the reason why Quest can’t do high grounds immediately since they need to react on Zai pressure on all of their lanes.

And his item choice also helped, his lycan built scythe of vyse that did helped in locking down Quest's heroes.

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 11:25:08 AM

Meanwhile Betboom made it to TI somehow

Not yet sure with that, waiting for Valve's decision if there's a penalty and minus points for BetBoom.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 06, 2023, 03:23:19 PM

Im not even sure if the team will terminate his contract after this foollish thing that he had done

Their rulebook did mention that he could be banned for five years and maybe Valve will be the one to give the punishment after the major.

I wonder what Valve is going to do but his career is definitely over this time. He was also kicked out of VP before for drawing Z on the minimap which shows support for Russian invasion like a year ago. A talented young player but seems to be abit problematic for sure and he might have been doing this type of stream sniping throughout his entire career though. God knows he could do that in DPC for sure

Meanwhile Betboom made it to TI somehow

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Quote from: sunsilk on July 08, 2023, 09:44:15 AM

Quest almost had it.

If Ammar did just focused on their objective to just destroy the T3 tower, it would have ended well for them. But Team Liquid did a come back, gg and well played for both teams.

Ammar is a double edge sword player, He is good when he is on the zone but he is bad too when the game is not favoring on his team. He is easy to become carried away on clash and become arrogant just because his hero has an early advantage. Quest already got the game when they won their last clash with Aegis until Ammar just pick off during their high grounds just because he is greedy on getting Liquid supports in the backline instead of playing safe by destroying that T3 tower.

On the other hand. Zai is doing a great job pressuring all lanes when they are still behind gold and when they lose team fights. This is the reason why Quest can’t do high grounds immediately since they need to react on Zai pressure on all of their lanes.

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Quest almost had it.

If Ammar did just focused on their objective to just destroy the T3 tower, it would have ended well for them. But Team Liquid did a come back, gg and well played for both teams.

Now since, there are three teams left for the Bali major namingly, GG, Tundra and Team Liquid. All of these teams are qualified already to TI.

The magic twelve for the DPC ranking road to TI is all set. While there's this hot discussion about Pure being out to BetBoom, they'll for sure going to have minus points and IIRC, that's 20% of their entire points which is 760 * 20% = 152 DPC points will be deducted to them.

If Valve decides to give them penalty then EXE which has got 740 DPC points shall take the last slot.

Again, this will all depend to Valve's decision.

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Quote from: X-ray on July 07, 2023, 09:34:44 PM

It's live now. Liquid is leading the match right now but panda is slowly catch up liquid's gold. TL is always invade panda's jungle. I think that the winner for the first match can be known easily. TL is fully dominating panda at this moment.

Pandal is still waiting for a blunder that gonna be made by TL.

Team Liquid manage to bring down 9Panda with a reverse sweep. I really thought that they can't gonna make it since 9panda took game 1 but game 2 and 3 seems an easy game for them. Right now they already got 1 game against Quest but their current match game 2 is I believe already a loss since Quest AM is full counter of Micke Medusa that is now on huge gap in terms of net worth. Medusa is useless against fully farm AM no matter what he do since TL support is very squishy at this point.

I really want seeing TL manage to have a miracle run on Lower Bracket to be on the final against GG. I believe that they can manage a sweet revenge against Tundra on semi finals in case they will beat Quest on Game 3 because Game 2 is pretty decided already

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If we take a look at the recent transfers, Mir has signed a long year contract with VP. Mir is one of the most experienced and talented players among the Russian players.This transfer will add strength to Virtus Pro.The failure in the last tournaments must have bothered the VP team so much that they felt the need to make such a move.I don't know who will bench, but having mir in the main roster will be a positive.
Spirit, on the other hand, formed a new squad by promoting 3 players from the academy team to the main squad. Thus, they both rejuvenated and renewed the team. Of course, both chopper and magixx are still continuing as 2 experienced and experienced players in the team.
Fnatic, on the other hand, mixed the roster well and turned into an international team.After Nicoodoz's bench, fnatic transferred afro to the team as awper, and included dexter from mouz as IGL.Time will tell if this will be good for them.

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Today are some showmatches between top CSGO clans and some old school Legends. Faze is going to play a team of Legends in the SteelSeries CS2 matches. These games are mainly for entertainment as there special bounties for the players if they get a knife kill and only the Desert Eagle as weapon is allowed, but we can still bet on them. When it comes to showmatches I am always a bit afraid as the top team will likely not give 100% performance to make it seem more interesting. That is why I am only going to make a small bet on the Legends team. And then there is are two matches between NaVi and Vitality, where the two best players are going to switch teams. ZywOo will play for NaVi and s1mple is going to play with Vitality which is going to make things more interesting. Again I am a bit afraid to bet any larger sums on these showmatches and will only make a small bet on Vitality, I think they have they have the better strategies at the moment. It's always only best of 1 games which makes it harder to predict a winner.

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