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newbie
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February 16, 2018, 08:31:51 PM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.

Thats incorrect, if they are using quad channel spread to 8 16bit 512MB DDR3 chips for each core thats ~14mh per core (assuming around a 1GHZ ram speed, some DDR3 can go up to 1600mhz. 14x 6 cores x 3 boards ~ 250 MH.

How did you calculate 14 MH/s per core? 14 MH/s would require roughly 140 GB/s bandwidth which seems unrealistic even for a quad channel DDR3. A quad channel 1866MHz DDR3 can reach 59.7 GB/s (source https://www.microway.com/knowledge-center-articles/performance-characteristics-of-common-transports-buses/). Therefore one core hashrate should be close to 6 MH/s. 6 MH/s * 6 * 3 = 108 MH/s.

933 mhz x 2 (DDR) x 4 (quad channel) x 128 bit wide bus (8 x16 bit DDR3 chips) / 8bits = 120 GB/s

Remember stock ram for motherboard is 64bit wide no reason why you can't go higher, if they are really using something between 72-96GB per board and I'm assuming article is wrong and its 72GB which would make sense for 8 x 512mb chips per core for 128bit wide bus.

Sure, a 128 bit quad channel bus is effectively a 512 bit bus. AMD and Nvidia have used 512 bit buses in the past, however they both have moved away from those due to high cost and high power consumption. If Bitmain's ASIC really does have a separate 512 bit bus for each core (so 18x 512 bit bus in total), then 200+ MH/s is possible. However, in that case the retail cost and the power consumption will be pretty high. I'm sure they wouldn't release anything that's worse than a comparable GPU rig but most likely it's not going to drive GPU rigs out of the market either.
legendary
Activity: 1498
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February 16, 2018, 05:38:40 PM
OH No, this is gonna be bad, what will happen to GPU miners it will go down to algo and the current of price? i've heard also 20 series nvia will released not compatible for the mining holy crap.

Lol on the 20 series. Nvidia answers to shareholders.  They talk like crypto wasn’t the bulk of sales but that’s bs.  They will work fine for crypto or watch their share price and sales tumble.  I honestly don’t believe this one bit.

BR

For Nvidia, crypto sales HAS in fact been a fairly small factor - particularly during 4Q 2017.
The only reason that crypto sales was a significant factor in 2Q was that AMD high-end Polaris cards gouge pricing got into 1070 or even low-end 1080 territory making the 1070 a viable option for cost-effective ETH mining.
The CURRENT Nvidia shortage appears to have been caused by Nvidia having TSMC switch production out of Pascal GPUs into Volta GPUs "around the end of the year" then getting hit by an unexpectedly VERY GOOD sales season especially on high-end gaming machines.
4Q 2017 is the FIRST TIME in several years that PC "number of units" sales INCREASED year-over-year, while all of the forcasts were for a DECREASE - and a lot of reports cited "high end systems" being a primary driver in that sales increase during the Christmas Sales Season.

Even RIGHT NOW, there are probably less than 1 million GPUs mining ZEC, which is BY FAR the biggest GPU count in Nvidia-friendly coins, while ETH which is mostly AMD territory is pushing well past the 7 million GPU range at this point.

newbie
Activity: 182
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February 16, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
Maybe it's time for asic miner also created for ETH like Bitcoin. Is this due to the increasing difficulty of ETH? and on the other hand GPU prices are also higher?
legendary
Activity: 2117
Merit: 1397
February 16, 2018, 11:34:16 AM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.

Thats incorrect, if they are using quad channel spread to 8 16bit 512MB DDR3 chips for each core thats ~14mh per core (assuming around a 1GHZ ram speed, some DDR3 can go up to 1600mhz. 14x 6 cores x 3 boards ~ 250 MH.

How did you calculate 14 MH/s per core? 14 MH/s would require roughly 140 GB/s bandwidth which seems unrealistic even for a quad channel DDR3. A quad channel 1866MHz DDR3 can reach 59.7 GB/s (source https://www.microway.com/knowledge-center-articles/performance-characteristics-of-common-transports-buses/). Therefore one core hashrate should be close to 6 MH/s. 6 MH/s * 6 * 3 = 108 MH/s.

933 mhz x 2 (DDR) x 4 (quad channel) x 128 bit wide bus (8 x16 bit DDR3 chips) / 8bits = 120 GB/s

Remember stock ram for motherboard is 64bit wide no reason why you can't go higher, if they are really using something between 72-96GB per board and I'm assuming article is wrong and its 72GB which would make sense for 8 x 512mb chips per core for 128bit wide bus.
member
Activity: 644
Merit: 24
February 16, 2018, 09:28:31 AM
Are you kidding me)
this is still a long time to wait for such giants of the industry nvideo and amd will not stand aside, and if even so I can safely go to sell the kidney in order to buy an asic)

The kidney only? You will have to sell all parts of your body to buy this hehe

It really depends on the demand for the kidney.  If twenty people need it, he'll get more $ out of it than if only one person needed it.
sr. member
Activity: 2142
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Xtreme Monster
February 16, 2018, 06:54:37 AM
Are you kidding me)
this is still a long time to wait for such giants of the industry nvideo and amd will not stand aside, and if even so I can safely go to sell the kidney in order to buy an asic)

The kidney only? You will have to sell all parts of your body to buy this hehe
member
Activity: 336
Merit: 10
February 16, 2018, 06:06:03 AM
Are you kidding me)
this is still a long time to wait for such giants of the industry nvideo and amd will not stand aside, and if even so I can safely go to sell the kidney in order to buy an asic)
member
Activity: 266
Merit: 50
February 16, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Thats the worst thing to happen to ETH minning...

Just bad news this 2018....

What will you mine?Huh
the Altcoins not just ETH, many Altcoins can be mined. of course, must calculate before mining. how many rewards, frequency a block, Hashrate diff etc.
member
Activity: 644
Merit: 24
February 15, 2018, 09:18:29 PM
Thats the worst thing to happen to ETH minning...

Just bad news this 2018....

What will you mine?Huh

You're a miner and the only thing you mine or even know about mining is one coin? Lol.
newbie
Activity: 62
Merit: 0
February 15, 2018, 05:30:28 PM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.

Thats incorrect, if they are using quad channel spread to 8 16bit 512MB DDR3 chips for each core thats ~14mh per core (assuming around a 1GHZ ram speed, some DDR3 can go up to 1600mhz. 14x 6 cores x 3 boards ~ 250 MH.

How did you calculate 14 MH/s per core? 14 MH/s would require roughly 140 GB/s bandwidth which seems unrealistic even for a quad channel DDR3. A quad channel 1866MHz DDR3 can reach 59.7 GB/s (source https://www.microway.com/knowledge-center-articles/performance-characteristics-of-common-transports-buses/). Therefore one core hashrate should be close to 6 MH/s. 6 MH/s * 6 * 3 = 108 MH/s.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
February 15, 2018, 04:58:03 PM
Asic can just be more efficicent, no need to have supérior hashrate to call it an Asic. Look skein asic, they are 20% costlier than GPU. But use 5 times less electricity

 The only Skein ASIC I am aware (Baikal) of has 2.5-3 TIMES the performance of the 1080 ti - and Skein is one of it's "minor" algorithms that it gets lower hashrate on.

 ASIC do NOT "usually raise the price of a coin" - they are normally developed when a coin has a high enough total market cap AND network hashrate to make it possible for an ASIC miner company to sell enough to PAY for the development of the things.
 You have the relationship backwards - it's high PRICE that drives creation of an ASIC, NOT the other way around - and in the case of the Gridseed GC3355 based ASIC gear the ASIC showed up after Litecoin price had COLLAPSED and Bitcoin price was dropping.



newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
February 15, 2018, 03:22:55 PM
ASIC usually raise the price of a coin. So I'm ok with it.
But, what I don't understand is why would you buy an Eth ASIC when they are about to go POS?
Once ETH does it other coins based on the same algorithm will too. And is not like you can mine Cryptonight , Equihash or any other coins with that machine. You just have to wait for new coins and hope they are the next big thing.

When is it planned to move to PoS?  
full member
Activity: 218
Merit: 100
February 15, 2018, 03:07:47 PM
ASIC usually raise the price of a coin. So I'm ok with it.
But, what I don't understand is why would you buy an Eth ASIC when they are about to go POS?
Once ETH does it other coins based on the same algorithm will too. And is not like you can mine Cryptonight , Equihash or any other coins with that machine. You just have to wait for new coins and hope they are the next big thing.
member
Activity: 192
Merit: 10
February 15, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
Thats the worst thing to happen to ETH minning...

Just bad news this 2018....

What will you mine?Huh
full member
Activity: 135
Merit: 100
February 15, 2018, 02:27:41 PM
If that is true the GPU rigs and GPU will be back to normal price finally. But I can not imagine that this is true. is anybody here who understand if it is technically possible? Everytime interesting how the ASIC resistant coins get an ASIC miner from bitmain Smiley
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
February 15, 2018, 02:24:25 PM
Asic can just be more efficicent, no need to have supérior hashrate to call it an Asic. Look skein asic, they are 20% costlier than GPU. But use 5 times less electricity
legendary
Activity: 2117
Merit: 1397
February 15, 2018, 02:19:07 PM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.

Thats incorrect, if they are using quad channel spread to 8 16bit 512MB DDR3 chips for each core thats ~14mh per core (assuming around a 1GHZ ram speed, some DDR3 can go up to 1600mhz. 14x 6 cores x 3 boards ~ 250 MH.
newbie
Activity: 70
Merit: 0
February 15, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.
newbie
Activity: 102
Merit: 0
February 15, 2018, 12:12:48 PM
OH No, this is gonna be bad, what will happen to GPU miners it will go down to algo and the current of price? i've heard also 20 series nvia will released not compatible for the mining holy crap.

Lol on the 20 series. Nvidia answers to shareholders.  They talk like crypto wasn’t the bulk of sales but that’s bs.  They will work fine for crypto or watch their share price and sales tumble.  I honestly don’t believe this one bit.

BR

nvidia would be just fine without miners.. I say would because Im not sure I believe they will somehow make their cards not work at mining without killing their performance at the same time.


So when F3 is launched it will be the most sought after Asic and like A3 will give 500$ per day for early adopters and will gradually come down to 30$ per day.

Please stop spreading bullshit, and do your math. For the F3 to give you $500 it will have to hash at a 6000 Mh/s at current difficulty (and I'm not even tanking into consideration the cost of electricity).
Even if the news is true there is no effin way it can pull this off...

 http://whattomine.com/coins/151-eth-ethash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=6000&p=405.0&fee=0.0&cost=0.0&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate

he is basing his numbers on sia (and the recent bitmain miners performance) and nothing else...
newbie
Activity: 46
Merit: 0
February 15, 2018, 12:07:06 PM

So when F3 is launched it will be the most sought after Asic and like A3 will give 500$ per day for early adopters and will gradually come down to 30$ per day.

Please stop spreading bullshit, and do your math. For the F3 to give you $500 it will have to hash at a 6000 Mh/s at current difficulty (and I'm not even tanking into consideration the cost of electricity).
Even if the news is true there is no effin way it can pull this off...

 http://whattomine.com/coins/151-eth-ethash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=6000&p=405.0&fee=0.0&cost=0.0&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate
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