Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 109. (Read 108046 times)

The theory of evolution is just a crazy attempt to explain what can hardly be explained. I am not religious at all, so I don't believe in a maker / creator or anything quite like that. But it is very hard to explain how all of the creatures on earth have happened to come about just by virtue of sun, rain, temperature, pressure or whatever else. Why has nobody ever witnessed the evolution at work? With that many creatures out there some of them should be turning into something else on a daily basis. The only aspect evolution explains nicely is the survival of the fittest. Everything else remains a big mystery to me. Even worse, nobody can explain how dead matter can be turned into something that is alive. I doubt anyone will ever succeed with this sort of experiment.

 Even the pope  sees no conflict in evolution and creation.

So the pope believes god created the universe BUT the earth evolved humans?..

Ok so say an alien race made the earth and planted life for it to spread and then evolve and we arrived
are you saying the aliens are gods?..

I would say they are scientist ..
wearing a frilly frock while spewing out total BULLSHIT over alien scientist is very funny ..
And i bet they find it very funny too..

Oh that's IF an alien race made us..

I was thinking why do we dance when we hear music?..
Any ideas..

I am not twisting your words YOU are twisting your own mind ..

maybe its just an experiment in a jar. ..
You was told religious stories as a child and you cannot get rid of the god thing ..

We could be hanging on one of god pubic hairs ..You said a jar

They don't reproduce into a viable product line (or species), doesn't mean they don't exist as factory rejects. In evolution the time scales are vast. There can be a hundred million rejects for every viable mutation and history will have no record of them because they did not reproduce.

But that wasn't what my example was about. My example was about making the car... or specifically, the engine. While there is an evolution of this engine to that engine, one with fewer cylinders to one with more cylinders, a straight 6 to a V-8...

... none of these engines evolves in the sense that a hunk of metal forms itself into a a partial cylinder with a partial piston. There is no reason for that. Everybody knows that such a thing doesn't work... or happen.

Your form of evolution is a different application of the thing I was saying.

Evolution is a hoax.

You need to finish the analogy. The car gets released to the public. The public (environment) uses/abuses it. Then the next iteration of the car is made with feedback from this environment about what works and doesn't work, with a view to selling (reproducing) as many of that car as possible. Like evolution. If your analogy was true we'd all still be driving wood-wheeled horseless carriages. And just like evolution there are different branches of that tree that were more or less successful in adapting to the environment, like the monocycle or hovercraft. The modern car shares ancestry with those vehicles but does not come directly from them.

This is a large part of the point. The facts that point to evolution, point to creation or something else better. For example.

Look at standard nature. Standard nature shows that all kinds of animals and plants all over the place do nothing other than have "babies" that grow up into the kinds of plants and animals that their parents are. There isn't one example that can be factually shown that the baby grew up into something else that was evolved... no example in nature, at least. We haven't found even one, factually.

We can guess that this or that baby is an evolved form of its parents. But we haven't found even one example for a fact.

Evolution is a hoax.

The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past.


We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.


The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say.

On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27424435.


Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But...

... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did.

Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which  are:
1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of;
2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

The problem with this is that thinking something is real and proving it are two different things. The "stuff" in my links isn't simply thinking attempts on the parts of evolutionists. It is proof attempts on the part of evolutionists.

Since the proof attempts contradict, evolution is at best a complete unknown regarding its reality.

Evolution is a hoax.

The "ifs" of evolution are different than the ifs of those who show that evolution is impossible.

The "ifs" of evolution say things like, "if this or that happened in nature in the past, then evolution is fact. So, evolution is fact."

The "ifs" of those who debunk evolution say things like, "The ifs of the evolutionists show that there are "if nots." Therefore evolution is, at best, unknown."

Now, here's the proof why evolution is impossible. All the debunking of the proofs that evolution is impossible, is loaded with the same kinds of "ifs" that the evolutionists use when they try to prove evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Yet there are several major points in favor of the Bible.

- The Bible is full of eye witness accounts of things that happened. Sure, some of these accounts are simply descriptions of things that people saw but didn't understand. But the point is that they are eye witness accounts.

- How do we know that they are eye witness accounts? The people of Israel, one of the strongest nations around, understand them as eye witness accounts. This is important because Israel is a very traditionally minded people. Bible traditions are strong with them because they really happened.

- How strong is Israel? The nation of Israel started with Abraham, over 3,500 years ago - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm. Name another nation whose scattered people have come back together to be strong and powerful like this (if not formally numerous). Even the name "Israel" remains with that nation. The Sumerians are gone. So are the Greeks, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, and every other ancient nation.

- On top of this, there are in existence over 25,000 ancient, hand-copied, Bible manuscripts. The closest that we come for any other ancient writing is 900 for one of the ancient secular scholars. Even ancient copies of the India religious writings that out date the Bible are few in number.

- Besides the Bible, math is a man-made language. If we didn't have people around, math wouldn't be in existence.

Gotta go.

Evolution is a hoax.

I didn't.


Didn't say that. Its just how things were seen...


At first.. stop twisting my words and playing the smart boy here. Thats simply not fair, but I think we can agree on that !

Well.. we don't know what caused the Big Bang. Maybe we'll never know. But its a fact that the life on earth wouldn't be possible, if that never happened.. and still then, there were a lot of coincidences until life on earth.

That would mean that god clapped the hands then or what? Not when it comes to the creation of earth.
I think believing in a god as in our modern religions is outdated. I don't judge anyone if someone is a believer. But I will not stop talking back as long as they don't stop throwing around their only one and true way. I don't want to be forced to believe their stuff. Dunno how to better explain this.

I mean come on.. the books in the bible are very very very old.. and there was no update since then. Even the pope  sees no conflict in evolution and creation. What I just want so say is, that back then.. things were just explained like this. It does not mean that it was wrong.. but we know better by now. We can explain a lot.

Maybe a "god" or as we might describe it created this universe.. maybe its just an experiment in a jar. Who knows that? But simply saying life were just created on earth by a god who also created seven days (that works so perfectly fine with our measurement of time.. fascinating), the light and the dark.. that is nothing that fits perfectly to our modern knowledge. Interpreted in a different way, yes.. maybe.

Your confused..You doubt the bible BUT then go on to say it's true ..

CONFUSED.COM^

There are a lot of facts that say that we were outcomes from million years of evolution..
That wouldn't fit to the bible.< CORRECT..So your a non believer of the bible so you made your own god up ..What does it do?..

How does it come that we share a basic DNA with all living organism here on earth? ..
1 single point in time we spread..

Now considering your mind is so mystified by our lovely earth and that thought made you think something must of made all this  WHO MADE YOUR GOD ..

You see you stopped to think..Oh must of been a god because something cannot come from nothing
SO WHO MADE YOUR GOD..

So even you believe something can come from nothing ..
So what was the cause of your god?..It's here so cause and effect come into play..

Nobody today can say how it really was, but everyone is acting like the know. I DO ..

To spread  ..TO KEEP MOVING..Just like an EXPLOSION ..The bang is the spread that's the program..

Seeds rivers earth stars life all spreads from the first moment we went bang..

After reading all that facts that point on evolution are just a creation of some creative scientists.. why would they? Bc they hate church or what?

There are a lot of facts that say that we were outcomes from million years of evolution. There are even findings of old organism.. some are still living today and haven't changed. That wouldn't fit to the bible.

I can just repeat it.. the bible was written a long time ago and the people wrote it as they knew the world. Nobody today can say how it really was, but everyone is acting like the know. Nobody says the bible is wrong, it is just how they saw earth back then. Now we see it different or on a more scientific way.

I dunno how somebody can come up, nowadays, with "we were put here by god" or whatever. How do you explain whats going on in space? Lies?
How does it come that we share a basic DNA with all living organism here on earth?

Maybe.. saying "something bigger brought us to this earth" was just the explanation for the existence of humans.

The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older.

You are showing that evolutionists disagree on things, good job. You know, they are still evolutionists and all your links still assume evolution is real?

Actually, what my links proved is that evolution scientists are so mixed up among themselves, that they can't help showing by their research that... catch this now...

Evolution is a hoax.

You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours.

There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say.

I already googled that and it didn't show anything:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27216030

''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old.
''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it.
Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

You can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27255883

After this you just went on posting 20 different links that only prove earth is older than the bible.