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January 09, 2018, 06:02:05 AM

Your site linked above debunks itself, it doesn't prove evolution is impossible. We have seen evolution in the peppered moth or the Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks.
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/

https://www.thoughtco.com/how-evolution-has-been-observed-249896


Say, thanks for the nice examples of complex cause and effect in action. If you want to call programmed C&E activity evolution, that's entirely up to you, of course. But it is in no way evolution as evolution scientists interpret evolution. And it isn't any greater than breeding, although it may be a little different. No proof of evolution in them.

Evolution is a hoax.

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If you want to keep claiming that everything has a cause, you can but it wont make you right. You said that science supports this, yet you never shown a single scientist or a science field that says everything has a cause.
Badecker is a liar, he will often ignore past comments to fuel his delusion. What you are writing here is a hoax too because it has a cause.
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January 08, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
Of course it is, all of them were nothing but theories. "Science is always wrong, it never solves a problem without creating 10 more" -George Bernard Shaw.
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January 08, 2018, 08:27:33 PM
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

Because you don't understand evolution. 
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January 08, 2018, 08:09:43 PM
You do not believe in science manuals but believe a collection of letters from 2000 years ago?
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January 08, 2018, 07:45:32 PM

Your site linked above debunks itself, it doesn't prove evolution is impossible. We have seen evolution in the peppered moth or the Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks.
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/

https://www.thoughtco.com/how-evolution-has-been-observed-249896


Say, thanks for the nice examples of complex cause and effect in action. If you want to call programmed C&E activity evolution, that's entirely up to you, of course. But it is in no way evolution as evolution scientists interpret evolution. And it isn't any greater than breeding, although it may be a little different. No proof of evolution in them.

Evolution is a hoax.

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January 08, 2018, 12:58:34 PM
^^^ It's kinda a black mark against evolutionists when one has to go to a theist site to get information that evolutions won't publish, because they know that it destroys their evolution cult to have the world find out about it.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Probability and Statistical Impossibility

But, as we came to learn more about the universe and about the miracle of life, science realized that the necessary components of life were not that simple. Sagan's original estimate of two necessary conditions was eventually raised to 10; a later revision in light of further discoveries stated there were 20 necessary conditions. By the turn of the 21st century, scientific advances had now set the number of necessary conditions for life at around 50, which of course drastically reduces the amount of potentially life-supporting planets in the universe. The one septillion potentially life-supporting planets of 1966 had by 2000 been reduced to only a few thousand. And with each discovery about the universe or biological life, those numbers are constantly being revised, further raising the number of conditions and reducing the amount of planets capable of supporting life.

By 2006, the estimates of the necessary conditions for life had risen so high that a representative of the SETI project wrote in the Skeptical Inquirer an article abjectly admitting that all earlier estimates of the statistical likelihood of finding extraterrestrial life "may no longer be tenable" and that expectations about finding a planet that could support life should be put to rest. [2]

In fact, as further conditions for supporting life continued to be discovered, the mathematical probability of there being any planets able to support life dropped to zero. The odds were against any planet supporting life - even this one. Today the list of parameters necessary to support life is around 200 and will probably keep growing in the near future.  As Metaxas says, "The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing" [3].

Evolution is a hoax.

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January 08, 2018, 11:45:54 AM
''Science has proven thousands of C&E actions''. Science however has never proven that everything has a cause as you claim. There is also no scientific law of ''cause and effect'' only the 3rd law of Newton. Most things do have a cause, the mystery is what caused the first event. Theists like you claim that it was their god, and there are thousands of different purported gods. But if there were a god, it too would have to of had a cause. To claim otherwise is a cop out, a plead to ignorance. The most honest answer is simple that we do not know. There are plenty of hypothesis and claims to what started everything. Could be that there is no beginning and there is no end. Big Bang wasn't the start. Maybe a start of this cycle, but not the start of everything. Effectively, there is no cause. Just effect.

Now I'm not claiming that that's what happened, I'm simply explaining to you that there are a lot of possibilities and yours is not necessarily true, in fact I already debunked it in the other thread ''scientific proof of god''
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January 08, 2018, 10:35:12 AM

Mutations have causes, however that doesn't mean they are programmed. Humans use the word ''random'' in different ways. When evolutionists explain or say that mutations are random they certainly don't mean that they have no cause just like when we say a dice is random. I don't see how mutations having a cause would make evolution a hoax.

Then again quantum processes seem to have no cause anyways and you said that we should find something without a cause.

Now that we know that mutations have causes...

Why does a mutation act the way it does? Why doesn't it act in a slightly different way. Because its causes acted upon it to mutate in just the way that it mutated. If the causes were different, the mutation would be different. But the causes weren't different. So the mutation is just like it is.

Why did the causes act just like they did? Because their causes acted upon them just as they did, causing them to act exactly as they did, so they would produce the exact mutation that they produced.

You can carry this idea all the way back to the beginning. Everything is set up to act the way it does because whatever started the whole thing going, set the exact way that it was going to act, through C&E.

How do we know? We can track countless C&E actions, but we have yet to find even one action that, for a fact, is not C&E.

Quantum is simply complex probability. But the nature of probability, we see there is no fact that comes out of it without something else to substantiate it. Saying "quantum" is like saying "let's guess, but in a complex way."

There is no selection in anything, other than the selection that was set up in the beginning of "everything." There are changes, but there is no evolution in the way that evolutionists suggest. But if you think it exists, show us the proof. Not just a bunch of words that suggest why the proof must exist.

That is what programming is. Everything has been programmed, through C&E. But if it hasn't, we haven't found the proof for non-C&E. Not one piece of proof. Just guesses and suggestions. But we have countless proofs for C&E.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Everything acts the way it does because it was caused that way, what's your point? Is gravity suddenly not real because it was caused to exist just like it does?
The point is that cause and effect are like a computer. A computer acts exactly the way it does because of programming. The laws of nature make C&E act exactly the way it does just like the computer. Everything is programmed.



''Everything is set up to act the way it does because whatever started the whole thing going, set the exact way that it was going to act'' We don't know what started everything so we don't know if everything is essentially random or not, you claim it was god but you have no proof. What if it was just another process or maybe a truly random process that started everything?
I can't help it that you are so religion minded that you have to bring God into it. The fact that we don't know what God is, doesn't have anything to do with the way things act. Things act precisely like they were programmed, according to the laws of physics, acted upon by cause and effect.



''How do we know? We can track countless C&E actions, but we have yet to find even one action that, for a fact, is not C&E. '' How would we find that if everytime someone finds something that may be random you just claim it's not?
That's the point. Claiming anything isn't the scientific way. Science has proven thousands of C&E actions. And they see so many more, that if they wanted to waste the time, they could scientifically prove multitudes more. Yet they haven't scientifically proven even one non-C&E action.



Humans for example are mostly deterministic, however we might be able to make random decisions. This is a very hard problem and it's not solved. You keep claiming everything has a cause but you never prove it. Even if we don't find something without a cause, it doesn't mean it's not there just because we have a few things that we know the cause of.
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It IS solved. People make decisions based on group firings of synapses in their brain. These firings are based on other firings, and even on the amounts of electrolyte in their bodies. This is all based on what they ate at the last meal, and on a host of other promptings. It is all C&E processed with extremely complex C&E activities. This is common knowledge in the medical.

The further you go trying to prove that evolution exists, the more explanations are brought out, and the more evolution is proven to be an unknown at its core, but doesn't exist according to nature and reality.

Evolution is a hoax.

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January 08, 2018, 07:03:50 AM

Mutations have causes, however that doesn't mean they are programmed. Humans use the word ''random'' in different ways. When evolutionists explain or say that mutations are random they certainly don't mean that they have no cause just like when we say a dice is random. I don't see how mutations having a cause would make evolution a hoax.

Then again quantum processes seem to have no cause anyways and you said that we should find something without a cause.

Now that we know that mutations have causes...

Why does a mutation act the way it does? Why doesn't it act in a slightly different way. Because its causes acted upon it to mutate in just the way that it mutated. If the causes were different, the mutation would be different. But the causes weren't different. So the mutation is just like it is.

Why did the causes act just like they did? Because their causes acted upon them just as they did, causing them to act exactly as they did, so they would produce the exact mutation that they produced.

You can carry this idea all the way back to the beginning. Everything is set up to act the way it does because whatever started the whole thing going, set the exact way that it was going to act, through C&E.

How do we know? We can track countless C&E actions, but we have yet to find even one action that, for a fact, is not C&E.

Quantum is simply complex probability. But the nature of probability, we see there is no fact that comes out of it without something else to substantiate it. Saying "quantum" is like saying "let's guess, but in a complex way."

There is no selection in anything, other than the selection that was set up in the beginning of "everything." There are changes, but there is no evolution in the way that evolutionists suggest. But if you think it exists, show us the proof. Not just a bunch of words that suggest why the proof must exist.

That is what programming is. Everything has been programmed, through C&E. But if it hasn't, we haven't found the proof for non-C&E. Not one piece of proof. Just guesses and suggestions. But we have countless proofs for C&E.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Everything acts the way it does because it was caused that way, what's your point? Is gravity suddenly not real because it was caused to exist just like it does?

''Everything is set up to act the way it does because whatever started the whole thing going, set the exact way that it was going to act'' We don't know what started everything so we don't know if everything is essentially random or not, you claim it was god but you have no proof. What if it was just another process or maybe a truly random process that started everything?

''How do we know? We can track countless C&E actions, but we have yet to find even one action that, for a fact, is not C&E. '' How would we find that if everytime someone finds something that may be random you just claim it's not?

Humans for example are mostly deterministic, however we might be able to make random decisions. This is a very hard problem and it's not solved. You keep claiming everything has a cause but you never prove it. Even if we don't find something without a cause, it doesn't mean it's not there just because we have a few things that we know the cause of.
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January 08, 2018, 05:39:31 AM
I guess there would still have monkeys in the zoos, not every species can evolve
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January 08, 2018, 12:31:45 AM
No two humans are exactly the same. No parents have children that are exactly the same as the parents.

That's exactly how evolution works.  The child has half DNA from each of it's parents.

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence!

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DNA is a hoax because causes LOL

Old BD likes to use the evolution of language.  See he takes words that have an actual meaning understood by normal people and evolves them into different meanings that only make sense in his brain...

BADecker believes in evolution!
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