When you find enough C&E things, and nothing else, then C&E has been proven, even in scientific realms, even if there is a slight possibility that there might be something else. I expect that there are a few people living in the heart of Chicago, who go get a bucket of water, and fish out of that bucket when there is nothing in it but water. In the same way, there are always going to be scientists who will be trying to find something other than cause and effect for things.
''When you find enough C&E things, and nothing else, then C&E has been proven'' No it hasn't. What is ''enough''? I already told you scientists have found things that have no cause or at least they cannot be proven to have a cause, C&E IS PROVEN, WHAT'S NOT PROVEN IS THAT EVERYTHING HAS A CAUSE LIKE YOU CLAIM. There is no scientific law or theory claiming that everything must have a cause, that's something you invented and something you cannot prove. You keep saying the same shit which is not going to prove your point.
EVEN IF I AGREE and everything has a cause, what does that mean? Everything has a cause so we just go back forever? Has everything existed since forever then?
Admit it badecker, you lost.
LOL! I lost.
But not about cause and effect.
What did I lose at? I lost in a number of ways, in explaining to you. You won at remaining in ignorance in the face of knowledge.
Cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. Evolution is destroyed by C&E at least regarding the way evolution theory says mutations come about. C&E is opposed to evolution theory because C&E allows for no pure random, while evolution mutations must have pure random to fit evolution theory.
You may have won in political science - constantly talking around reality - but I have won in the pure and hard sciences. And, I have given you such a run for your money regarding political science, that your PS winning is barely winning at all... except to show your ignorance.
You and evolution scientists may not like C&E, but take it up with Newton and those other scientists who understand that C&E is all-pervading. At this stage of the game, regarding C&E, you lose.
Newton's third law: If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A. Where does it say that everything must have a cause exactly? I would like you to tell us.
It doesn't say "must." It says "does" implied. A is the cause. B is the effect.
Did you notice your word "exert?" "Exert" isn't in Newton's 3rd Law. Action and re-action are. In order to stop all action within even a single atom, or within an energy wave or particle, it would have to hit absolute zero. Investigate absolute zero. When you do, you will find that there isn't any evidence of the existence of absolute zero, just like there isn't any evidence of the existence of pure random.
Mutations are ''random'' in the way that we can't figure out the cause of them because we don't know the variables but deep down somethings might be totally random so no, cause and effect does not destroy evolution.
'' C&E allows for no pure random'' Lie, newtons 3rd law never says everything must have a cause. Human behavior could be truly random, we don't know and we can't prove it either way.
C&E is not random. Wherein Newton's 3rd Law is there allowance for pure random? Nowhere. C&E, itself is cause for effect, not randomness for effect. Mutations are not random as in pure random. C&E is the opposite of pure random.
But if mutations are random to people because people simply can't follow what is happening in the mutation process, then the evolution theory is, itself, saying that it does not know that evolution is real. How is evolution theory saying this? By using the term "random" when people would not have used that term if they knew the process. Rather, if they knew the process, they would have expressed the process rather than saying "random." This is the way that evolution theory, itself, says that evolution is not known to be real. Why are there so many people who say that evolution and evolution theory are real, when even the evolution theory that they express says that they don't know?
Cause and effect exists but it doesn't mean that everything has a cause and you can't prove it. I can't prove that something doesn't have a cause to an 100% degree because it might have a cause that we don't know of but you can't prove that everything has a cause either. We are stuck in the same place.
The fact that everything has a cause, beyond all the billions of causes that are known, is the fact that there is no evidence for absolute zero, as stated above in this post. Research it. The fact that a photon of light travels throughout the universe shows that it is at least slightly above absolute zero.
Thank you for admitting that evolution is not known to be real. How are you admitting it? Because there would have to be randomness for there to be the kind of mutations that evolution requires for it to exist. But if Q&E can't be proven to be all-inclusive, then it can't be proven to NOT be all-inclusive. This means that evolution people don't know that evolution is true.
This takes us back to the billions of C&E proofs without any proof against it. And, it takes us back to the few strong evidences for evolution - which are not proofs because they can fit things other than evolution, as well - and the story of evolution which has nothing to back it up other than words without facts behind them.
In other words:
1. Lots of speculation;
2. Lots of C&E;
3. Essentially no evolution.
Something with no cause makes no sense to us just like everything with infinite causes makes no sense, the truth is that we don't know and you don't know either and you can't prove that everything has a cause so why are you still saying the same thing over and over again. Either prove that everything has a cause or admit that you don't know.
Now you are finally getting it. There is not an infinity of no cause. God is the Great First Cause. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning... a beginning to the cause and effect nature of the universe.
Thank you, again for helping to show us all that evolution is a great big fat hoax. Evolution is NOT a hoax because people are innocently making a mistake about it. It's a hoax because they absolutely know about the existence of the Great First Cause, but are attempting to bypass "Him" in their knowledge. How are they attempting to bypass Him? By touting evolution as truth, even though they admit that they really don't know that it is truth.
Evolution is a hoax.
